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Bugbears in audiobooks

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C8H10N4O2 · 25/08/2024 14:02

Inspired by this thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/what_were_reading/5041058-inaccuracies-in-fiction

It made me think about my additional bugbears in audiobooks and wondering just how much "proof listening" publishers undertake and how much prep for is done for narrators in terms of pronunciation/accent. In no particular order:

  • accents wackering around - character is Scots and has an accent starting in Edinburgh, veering to Glasgow via Belfast and Dublin. See also Somerset character who spends half of every sentence in Dudley and the New Yorker who does the vocal hop across to the West Coast mid speech.
  • Novelty "furrin" accents (which may also go on geographic tours, I just wouldn't detect them as easily)
  • Place names or famous names mispronounced. It is surely not beyond the publishers to make sure narrators have pronunciation guides for places such as "Woolwich".
  • The same common word pronounced several different ways by the narrator in the book as if they don't know or remember the actual word
  • Common words pronounced as by an untrained text-to-speech device. eg "shone" read as "shown" when its not part of a regional accent or dialect.

They bug me because they distract and break the suspense of the story - much as factual inaccuracies, it helps break the credibility of the plot.

It doesn't seem to be a "small name" vs "big name" author or particular publichsers - just random which makes me think the narrators are not given much of a briefing. This makes it more difficult to avoid the bad examples (although there are some narrators I'd listen to reading my shopping list, its harder to identify the consistently bad)

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C8H10N4O2 · 28/08/2024 19:45

Bardie · 26/08/2024 22:50

They are ‘proof listened’ to by the audio publisher but it’s more to check the recording against the text so mis-pronunciations can still slip through if the proof listener is not familiar with the place name or whatever. As with typos in printed books mistakes can be missed. Margins in publishing are tight so sometimes things are done on a budget, or there’s a tight deadline and things need to be moved along. This shouldn’t happen as much with the big name authors where there is more budget, but it does!

Oddly my rant of an OP was triggered by a narrator who is apparently an award winner for narrating audio books. An Irish American actor - hadn't heard of her but she reads this book in a "British" accent and commits all of the sins listed in the OP, including the traditional "working class Londoners" all of whom speak a version of cockney learned from Dick van Dyke in Mary Poppins. And her landed gentry woman starts each conversation in Downton Abbey before meandering into seaside landlady.

I can see why people like her voice - its a good pitch and well modulated and quite pleasant to listen do, not bad at characterisation so possibly if you didn't know the correct pronunciations and accents it wouldn't grate. However for me its put me off listening to any more of the audiobooks because the errors distract from the story. Maybe British listeners are the minority for this narrator.

Do you get much feedback on this from listeners or do most of us just suck it up and make do?

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tobee · 27/08/2024 00:30

Sadly also female actors are often not good at men's voices which come across as just generally gruff sounding. However, some are exceptionally good and don't just try to sound generically "deep" toned.

tobee · 27/08/2024 00:28

Books where an adult woman's voice (not the main character) is done in an annoying " little girl" voice..

Plenty of non fiction history books where the narrator is so poor they sound like a Dalek and mispronounce place names. I presume it's because so, relatively, few people will buy the book they can't afford better narrators.

Generally narrators are a bizillion times better than they were even a few years ago when audiobooks were a comparative rarity; mostly on CD, rare and expensive.

Crispynoodle · 26/08/2024 23:02

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 26/08/2024 13:30

I have a fabulous narrator now for my audio books, but I did have one that I asked to have re recorded - the narrator seemed to be completely unfamiliar with reading out loud, mispronounced several words (some were in Latin, to be fair, but not uncommon phrases) and ruined some of the jokes with bad timing and 'flat' reading.

I think it's the luck of the draw. Some narrators read the book first and take note of accents and stresses, but some just seem to be handed the book and read it 'cold'. And when you listen to an audio book, you have no idea how it's going to be handled.

So now I wanna hear/read the book...

BiscuityBoyle · 26/08/2024 23:00

I’ve just finished The Running Grave. Robert Glenister did, in my opinion, a brilliant job, especially when it came to Strike, with a Cornish accent interviewing a character with a Norfolk accent.

LoneHydrangea · 26/08/2024 22:53

I am very distracted by bad narrators on audiobooks. I have to speed them up to get through it.

MirandaWest · 26/08/2024 22:52

There was a book I listened to where Niamh was mispronounced. I can’t remember exactly how (perhaps Nee-am) but that really grated

Bardie · 26/08/2024 22:50

They are ‘proof listened’ to by the audio publisher but it’s more to check the recording against the text so mis-pronunciations can still slip through if the proof listener is not familiar with the place name or whatever. As with typos in printed books mistakes can be missed. Margins in publishing are tight so sometimes things are done on a budget, or there’s a tight deadline and things need to be moved along. This shouldn’t happen as much with the big name authors where there is more budget, but it does!

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 26/08/2024 22:39

C8H10N4O2 · 26/08/2024 19:08

Do you have any input into casting the narrator - even at the level of male/female/type of voice? And do you have the option to insist on re-recording?

I remember Ben Aaronovitch saying at a panel that he was just lucky to get Kobna Holdbrook-Smith (who IMHO is perfect reading those books) but wasn't sure how they would recast if he ceased to be available.

It seems only reasonable for the author to have a decent say in casting the narrator or to request "corrections" for mangled names and words. Does anyone "proof listen" or is that down to you?

Some publishers let you listen to the audition tapes. I 'auditioned' my current reader - the timbre of her voice was just right for my kind of fiction. My previous publisher just made the audio books and didn't give us authors any kind of say. Basically you just have to trust the reader - a poor reader can mangle a book so badly that it can change the story. I've never managed to have a book re recorded, even though the reader was of the 'cotton easter' type of the example above - she didn't seem to have much of a passing familiarity with quite a lot of normal English words.

Imalongtimepostingmum · 26/08/2024 19:16

I had a favourite author who had a book with a pair of detectives all set around Peterborough (peri meno brain prevents me from remembering their names).

Anyway I looked SO forward to the new book coming out in 2020. Started listening whilst I was gardening. The narrator pronounced Cotoneasters (the plant) as "Cotton Easters". Most annoying thing ever. I stopped listening and abandoned the book. I know. Petty.

Also, overly egging the narration. Charles Cummings most recent BOX book had the most awful narrator.

C8H10N4O2 · 26/08/2024 19:09

PurpleChrayn · 25/08/2024 19:28

Over-emoting.

I just listened to the audiobook of a memoir by a body positivity activist, and the voice actor read it as if she was Evita Peron delivering a speech on the balcony.

That is also one of mine - should have been on the list. Its very wearing to listen to.

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C8H10N4O2 · 26/08/2024 19:08

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 26/08/2024 13:30

I have a fabulous narrator now for my audio books, but I did have one that I asked to have re recorded - the narrator seemed to be completely unfamiliar with reading out loud, mispronounced several words (some were in Latin, to be fair, but not uncommon phrases) and ruined some of the jokes with bad timing and 'flat' reading.

I think it's the luck of the draw. Some narrators read the book first and take note of accents and stresses, but some just seem to be handed the book and read it 'cold'. And when you listen to an audio book, you have no idea how it's going to be handled.

Do you have any input into casting the narrator - even at the level of male/female/type of voice? And do you have the option to insist on re-recording?

I remember Ben Aaronovitch saying at a panel that he was just lucky to get Kobna Holdbrook-Smith (who IMHO is perfect reading those books) but wasn't sure how they would recast if he ceased to be available.

It seems only reasonable for the author to have a decent say in casting the narrator or to request "corrections" for mangled names and words. Does anyone "proof listen" or is that down to you?

OP posts:
Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 26/08/2024 13:30

I have a fabulous narrator now for my audio books, but I did have one that I asked to have re recorded - the narrator seemed to be completely unfamiliar with reading out loud, mispronounced several words (some were in Latin, to be fair, but not uncommon phrases) and ruined some of the jokes with bad timing and 'flat' reading.

I think it's the luck of the draw. Some narrators read the book first and take note of accents and stresses, but some just seem to be handed the book and read it 'cold'. And when you listen to an audio book, you have no idea how it's going to be handled.

Idontevenknowmyname · 26/08/2024 13:23

I really struggle with male narrators doing female voices. It grates.
A recent one that bothered me was The Covenant of Water. Read by the author, and very long, but the female characters he all did in this whiny high pitched voice that completely belittled their strength as women. The Scottish accent when he naturally speaks with an Indian accent was awful too, it really spoilt the story.

I much prefer a range of actors when there’s different pov or lots of dialogue.

Prrambulate · 25/08/2024 21:39

When it sounds like they badly need to clear their throat but they keep going and going and going because it’s far too late to take a break until they are wheezing and croaking their way to the end of the chapter…Caroline Lennon, looking at you.

PurpleChrayn · 25/08/2024 19:28

Over-emoting.

I just listened to the audiobook of a memoir by a body positivity activist, and the voice actor read it as if she was Evita Peron delivering a speech on the balcony.