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Has anyone actually read Ulysses (the Joyce one)?

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Inextremis · 26/06/2024 18:35

I've been meaning to read it for years, and I've started - but my lawd, it's hard going! I think I've had to look up at least five words in the dictionary so far, and the Latin is beyond me. Is it worth persevering? I'm finding it difficult to work out exactly what's going on - so far they've left the 'tower' and seen a dead dog at the forty foot - tell me it gets better?

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Tilly22222 · 29/06/2024 20:08

MySweet · 29/06/2024 09:50

I always recommend to people struggling with the beginning that they start with the fourth episode, ‘Calypso’’. Stephen is much less likeable fictional company than Bloom, and ‘Calypso’ is a more accessible place to start. I’d read straight through to ‘Lestrygonians’ (Bloom’s lunchtime) before circling back to read the first three episodes before continuing on with ‘Scylla and Charybdis’, where Stephen is explaining his theories about Hamlet in the National Library.

I’m sure there’s a load available online now, but Harry Blamires’ Bloomsday Book is good for a plain prose account of the plot, episode by episode, so you can orient yourself.

I think it’s a lovely novel, genuinely.

I second the Harry Blamires recommendation.

Evenstar · 29/06/2024 16:56

I have, I studied Dubliners as one of my A level texts and I decided I would read Ulysses, my English teacher was astonished as he had never managed to read all of it and actually didn’t know of anyone who had read the whole thing.

ChessieFL · 29/06/2024 16:17

There was a readalong on here last year - I wasn’t on it so don’t know if anyone finished it but the thread might be helpful for understanding it

www.mumsnet.com/talk/what_were_reading/4817727-ulysses-reading-group-2023?reply=126610973

MySweet · 29/06/2024 09:50

Inextremis · 28/06/2024 09:31

I started on the audio version last night and fell asleep before I'd caught up to the point I'd read. I'm unsure whether it was due to the familiarity with the text I've gained through reading - but it seemed easier to digest and understand in audible form. It's looking like this is a long-term project - but I'm determined! Many thanks to all who've contributed to this thread.

I always recommend to people struggling with the beginning that they start with the fourth episode, ‘Calypso’’. Stephen is much less likeable fictional company than Bloom, and ‘Calypso’ is a more accessible place to start. I’d read straight through to ‘Lestrygonians’ (Bloom’s lunchtime) before circling back to read the first three episodes before continuing on with ‘Scylla and Charybdis’, where Stephen is explaining his theories about Hamlet in the National Library.

I’m sure there’s a load available online now, but Harry Blamires’ Bloomsday Book is good for a plain prose account of the plot, episode by episode, so you can orient yourself.

I think it’s a lovely novel, genuinely.

Inextremis · 28/06/2024 09:31

I started on the audio version last night and fell asleep before I'd caught up to the point I'd read. I'm unsure whether it was due to the familiarity with the text I've gained through reading - but it seemed easier to digest and understand in audible form. It's looking like this is a long-term project - but I'm determined! Many thanks to all who've contributed to this thread.

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Likesomemorecash · 27/06/2024 21:37

I read it and wrote my third year dissertation on it. I came on this thread to recommend the free audio version online. It made parts of the text absolutely sparkle.

It did help me to read a synopsis of the more challenging chapters before I actually read them - felt like I had some navigational points.

Cooper77 · 27/06/2024 18:41

I've never sat down and read it from beginning to end. However, I have grappled with it on and off over the years, dipping in and out, reading and then re-reading certain chapters, and so on. So overall I'd say I've read it (sort of).

Parts are undeniably beautiful. Think of the rays of sunlight criss-crossing in the martello tower, or the wandering rocks chapter, or that orgasmic description of the sunset in Gibraltar. Joyce had an astonishing 'mimetic power', as I believe it's called, meaning an ability to make the word the thing. Read his description of a dog running across a beach, for example, or Molly turning over in bed to drink the tea that Bloom brings her. It is so vividly there in front of you.

Do I enjoy Ulysses? Hand on my heart? Hmm...parts of it. I really like the opening five chapters, and the wandering rocks bit, and also the burial scene. Parts of Molly's monologue are wonderful too. But it's just too long. It's also, dare I say it, really f-ing boring in places. Martin Amis said that "the stream of consciousness is a bore," and there was a great gasp of joy from the audience when he did. A lot of people secretly feel that way, but keep quiet for fear of being thought stupid. Many of Bloom's thoughts just aren't interesting. I mean, compare Bloom's interior monologue to the thrilling ideas that spark off the page in an Aldous Huxley novel, or Wilde's Dorian Gray. Then again, I suppose that's the point. Ian McEwan chose Ulysses as his desert island book because, he said, it perfectly captures a day in the life of an ordinary, flawed, but fundamentally decent human being. And when you read it, you are fully in that world – outside of space and time. Ordinary life is mundane and boring.

Joyce was a superb writer, that I don't doubt. Dubliners, in particular, is a masterclass in the short story. Indeed, parts of his work are breathtaking (think of the snow scene in The Dead). But he's really difficult, there's no getting around it. He's also, to some extent, parochial. He is preoccupied with catholicism and nationalism – the two big isms for an Irish writer. Parochial British writers, on the other hand, tend to be obsessed with class (E. M. Forster, Evelyn Waugh, Alan Bennett, etc). And even those who aren't interested in class still seem class-bound (Aldous Huxley, Anthony Powell, Jane Austen).

If you want to grasp the Joyce genius, read Anthony Burgess. Burgess was a disciple of Joyce and knew his work inside out. But he's more accessible somehow. I get from Burgess what other people get from Joyce – language used in thrilling and extraordinary ways. He's a great way into Ulysses. I just wish I enjoyed reading Joyce as much.

Inextremis · 27/06/2024 10:23

To answer a PP's question - yes, I have read the Odyssey, and enjoyed it - but many years ago now. So far (and I've not got any further) I've not noticed any parallels/references, but I guess that could change, as Kindle tells me I have 15 hours of reading left in it. I've been living in Ireland for 25 years now, so that helps a little, too. I'm going to try the audio version as well - hoping it'll clarify things a bit. I am now determined to get through the thing, even if it takes a year. Many thanks to all for sharing your experiences and thoughts - it's good to know it's not just me who struggles with it!

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EveningSpread · 26/06/2024 22:42

one chapter, not on chapter!

EveningSpread · 26/06/2024 22:36

I’ve read it. I wrote on chapter of my PhD on it (well, mainly on two specific chapters of it).

It’s certainly a puzzle that takes a lot of unpacking! It can be frustrating or rewarding, depending how much time you have and whether you like that sort of thing.

Sgtmajormummy · 26/06/2024 22:34

DBro is a Joyce fan. He’s read it several times and when he came to my city for an academic Joyce symposium he read it all again in about 5 days.

Personally I’m still approaching it in ever decreasing circles, I’ve read many extracts and enjoyed them, but never read it cover to cover.

I think it’s a book that suits an older reader with eclectic, wide reaching knowledge of the world, including the Classics as there are so many leaps of the imagination and cross references.
IMO It’s lost on the average 20yo English Literature student in this century.

BlanklyMyDear · 26/06/2024 21:53

Yes - read it and enjoyed the adventure of reading it. Devastatingly witty and likely to make you gasp on occasions when you realise what you’ve just read.

But Finnegans Wake … Oh my, the truths contained therein. It’s like he saw into my actual soul and was witness to all my most shameful secrets.

soundsys · 26/06/2024 21:47

Yep, also while at uni. I agree with a PP that says you have to just sort of let it wash over you to an extent!

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 26/06/2024 21:42

Tilly22222 · 26/06/2024 21:14

Yes, more than once. It’s brilliant. If you’re finding it tricky I’d really recommend the audio version read by Jim Norton (aka Bishop Brennan). It’s a really superb reading, he brings out the cadences of the language perfectly and helps you get through the trickier bits.

I listened to this audio version two years ago. It's very good. It made more sense to me than reading the book especially since I hadn't much of a clue starting out.

Saying that, I definitely didn't understand all of it. I was often baffled. I think a study guide would have been useful.

I enjoyed some of it. It's vivid and colourful and evocative of its time. Molly Bloom's entry at the end is amazing.

I thought I might read it properly at some stage now that I have half a notion of what it is about but it's a big commitment.

Decklededge · 26/06/2024 21:41

I’m reading it at the moment, but with a group of friends. We’re about half way through.
I love parts and find others tedious. I love the main character of Bloom though.

atticstage · 26/06/2024 21:38

Have you read the Homeric Odyssey? The Emily Wilson translation is good. I'd just read that instead tbh.

Britannica describes Ulysses as "exhilarating". I don't think I've ever met anyone who described it that way.

DexaVooveQhodu · 26/06/2024 21:36

I do remember a section that was very reminiscent of Beowulf (I have also used the audiobook of Maria Dahvana Headley"s translation to fall asleep to, but have gone through the whole thing several times so have definitely heard all of it) which I thought was very clever. I expect if I knew more about different styles of literature there might be different sections in other recognisable styles?

PaminaMozart · 26/06/2024 21:30

senua · 26/06/2024 21:26

I've tried (more than once) and given up. I feel that it's definitely "Emperor's New Clothes".

How can it be 'the greatest novel ever written' if 95% of people think it's unreadable?

(1) No novel ever written is the greatest novel ever written. Not even Pride and Prejudice.
(2) Have you read Molly's monologue (at the end of the novel)...? Everyone should read Molly's monologue at least once - it is utterly brilliant!!

PaminaMozart · 26/06/2024 21:27

DexaVooveQhodu · 26/06/2024 21:13

I listened to about 60% of the audiobook over the course of many months. Each night I would put it on to go for 30 minutes and I would usually be asleep by 20 minutes or so. But I may not have been listening very attentively.

I may not have been listening very attentively.

😂

I must try this...

senua · 26/06/2024 21:26

I've tried (more than once) and given up. I feel that it's definitely "Emperor's New Clothes".

How can it be 'the greatest novel ever written' if 95% of people think it's unreadable?

CuppaWhiteTea · 26/06/2024 21:19

Don’t be despondent if you give up again, OP. Like some of the PP, I read it for Eng Lit at uni. But we had about five contact hours a week and reading huge novels was the only “work” I had to do. There’s NO WAY I’d ever have finished it (or even picked it up) in normal life. Hats off to everyone who has. Odd moments of beauty, clarity and humour swam up out of the befuddlement for me every now and again but mostly it was just impenetrable sentences on a page. Self-indulgent, IMHO.

tinytemper66 · 26/06/2024 21:19

Yes in uni about 25 years ago. I was the only one on the course to read it all the way through.

OhOneOhTwoOhThree · 26/06/2024 21:18

Yes, many years ago as a student. I was on my year abroad and took most of the year to read it.

Tilly22222 · 26/06/2024 21:14

Yes, more than once. It’s brilliant. If you’re finding it tricky I’d really recommend the audio version read by Jim Norton (aka Bishop Brennan). It’s a really superb reading, he brings out the cadences of the language perfectly and helps you get through the trickier bits.

DexaVooveQhodu · 26/06/2024 21:13

I listened to about 60% of the audiobook over the course of many months. Each night I would put it on to go for 30 minutes and I would usually be asleep by 20 minutes or so. But I may not have been listening very attentively.

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