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Did She Fall Or Was She Pushed? Dangerous Liaisons Readalong 2024

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BishyBarnyBee · 15/04/2024 08:14

Following a series of successful Fallen Women readalongs - War and Peace, Anna Karenina, Madame Bovary, Ruth - we continue our exploration of desire, hypocrisy, disgrace and redemption with the earlier (and even more scandalous) Dangerous Liaisons.

Widely adapted in text, film, opera and even ballet, Les Liaisons Dangereuses is an epistolatory novel comprising 175 letters.

Author Chodelos de Laclos "resolved to write a book that would be quite outside the ordinary trend, which would make a sensation and echo over the world after I left it." His book was a succès de scandale on its 1782 publication, reviewed as "diabolique" while becoming an instant bestseller. Marie Antoinette commissioned a blank cover copy for her library, and Virginia Woolf later read it with "great delight".

Readalongs are Mumsnet's best kept secret - a quiet corner of the site where we tackle the books we might not manage alone, sharing our thoughts and reactions, and encouraging each other to keep going when life - or the book - are challenging. It's fine to dip in and out as life permits, very few of us manage to keep up consistently.

We've only heard good things about DL, so do join us for a cracking good read. We start 1st May, 1 letter a day:

1 - 31 May Letters 1 - 31
1 - 30 June Letters 32 - 61
1 - 31 July Letters 62 - 92
1 - 31 August Letters 93 - 123
1- 30 September 124 - 153
1 - 22nd October 154 - 175

There are summaries of each letter at shmoop.com. I'll post them when I can, but anyone is welcome to start us off if you are first here on the day.

Looking forward to it!


Les Liaisons dangereuses (Dangerous Liaisons) Summary

Free summary and analysis of the events in Pierre Ambroise François Choderlos de Laclos's Les Liaisons dangereus...

Les Liaisons dangereuses (Dangerous Liaisons) Summary

Free summary and analysis of the events in Pierre Ambroise François Choderlos de Laclos's Les Liaisons dangereuses (Dangerous Liaisons) that won't make you snore. We promise.

https://www.shmoop.com/study-guides/dangerous-liaisons/summary.html

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BishyBarnyBee · 09/06/2024 06:50

Letter 40

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AgualusasLover · 08/06/2024 19:36

I’m all caught up.

I really like letter 37, Madame de Volanges to Madame de Tourvel.

I thought her discussion about the hypocrisy of society was really very interesting.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 08/06/2024 09:48

Ha @BishyBarnyBee ! Poor girl though! Merteuil is very wily, isn't she.

BishyBarnyBee · 08/06/2024 09:38

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 08/06/2024 09:29

Cécile is a sitting duck. C'est tout.

Hi cassandre 👋 You will catch up in no time!

But as she has no character and no principles, she is fair game!

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 08/06/2024 09:29

Cécile is a sitting duck. C'est tout.

Hi cassandre 👋 You will catch up in no time!

BishyBarnyBee · 08/06/2024 08:44

We're out and about this weekend and my phone won't let me format the extract so I'm resorting to a screenshot.

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BishyBarnyBee · 07/06/2024 13:25

cassandre · 07/06/2024 12:12

Hi, I'm just popping by to say that despite being so keen to join this read-along, I got completely overwhelmed and gave up after letter 1 😯. I'm going to try to catch up this weekend so I can join in for the remainder of the novel! Really looking forward to reading everyone's comments; I love Liaisons so much.

Ah, we've all been there! Either racing ahead or falling behind is pretty much standard for a readalong. I have a fantasy of an elegant life where I adjourn to a reading nook for my meditative daily chapter, but that's sadly not how it turns out in reality.

To be honest, if you've read it before you could probably get the gist if you start at letter 39. Or skim the Shmoop summaries, though they do miss out a lot of the exquisite details.

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cassandre · 07/06/2024 12:12

Hi, I'm just popping by to say that despite being so keen to join this read-along, I got completely overwhelmed and gave up after letter 1 😯. I'm going to try to catch up this weekend so I can join in for the remainder of the novel! Really looking forward to reading everyone's comments; I love Liaisons so much.

BishyBarnyBee · 07/06/2024 10:39

Ooh, "No character, no principles" is harsh! The level of disdain for Cecile, and the implication that she deserves anything that is coming her way. And the line about being "almost jealous". M de M is so well written - and so very brutal.

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BishyBarnyBee · 07/06/2024 10:34

Letter 38: The Marquise de Merteuil to the Vicomte de Valmont

  • According to the Marquise, Cécile has neither character nor principles, which will make it easy to influence her to do what she wants. She's very impressionable.
  • She's amused that Danceny hasn't even gotten a kiss from his secret sweetie.
  • Adding insult to injury, the Marquise has talked trash about Gercourt to Cécile, convincing his future wife that he's a despicable man.
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BishyBarnyBee · 07/06/2024 10:33

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 06/06/2024 09:18

La Présidente should just go anyway!
Go far far away...

Yes! Go....walk out that door... just turn around now...

I guess it would be a shorter and more boring book if she did though.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 06/06/2024 09:18

La Présidente should just go anyway!
Go far far away...

BishyBarnyBee · 06/06/2024 08:31

Letter 36: The Vicomte de Valmont to Madame de Tourvel (postmarked Dijon)

  • Valmont argues that his love is genuine and justified and that Madame de Tourvel is wrong to shun him.
  • He's postmarked the letter from Dijon (a lie) in hopes that she'd open it and read it (thinking it was from her husband).
  • He recounts how when he met her, he first just thought she was beautiful.
  • The he fell in love with her character and virtue and tried to make himself worthy of her.
  • Only when he couldn't contain his love any longer, did he express it.
  • And what did he get? Pity? No, contempt and rejection.
  • She needs to think about his suffering and fix it.

Letter 37: The Présidente de Tourvel to Madame de Volanges

  • Tourvel wants to take Volanges' advice and get away from Valmont, but she doesn't think she can ask Rosemonde to send him away or leave herself. He'd just follow her.
  • She thinks her only option is to convince Valmont to leave.
  • If he refuses, then she'll go.
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BishyBarnyBee · 04/06/2024 08:43

V de V writes that he has enough tact not to reproach her, and promises to obey her request that he stay silent. Then produces endless pages of accusatory drivel.

Surely there is nothing in this manipulative onslaught that would actually convince her to give in?

At this point, I cannot imagine his plan succeeding, he's just too obviously unpleasant. But I'm sure I will be proved wrong...

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BishyBarnyBee · 04/06/2024 08:34

Letter 35: The Vicomte de Valmont to Madame de Tourvel

  • In a tone like Danceny's, but with a much more polished and sophisticated style, Valmont places the blame for his love on Tourvel herself.
  • If it's a crime to love her, well then, she's the instigator.
  • He demands to know who it is that has been telling her terrible things about him and what they've been saying.
  • Only then can he really defend himself against their charges.
  • Her letter made him feel so miserable that he's tempted to return it to her.
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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 03/06/2024 10:39

Yes she did! I underlined it (see attached photo). It made me smile.

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ViscountessMelbourne · 03/06/2024 10:21

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 03/06/2024 09:43

I think he has her in a corner, so it's only a matter of time. Will he resort to violence if he doesn't get his way? He refers to his fury. In the French text, he calls her 'mon inhumaine'. He is a creep!

Ooh, if you're reading in French, can you please check whether Mme de Volanges talks about "Liaisons Dangereuse" in letter 32. It's "dangerous acquaintance" in my translation.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 03/06/2024 09:43

I think he has her in a corner, so it's only a matter of time. Will he resort to violence if he doesn't get his way? He refers to his fury. In the French text, he calls her 'mon inhumaine'. He is a creep!

BishyBarnyBee · 03/06/2024 07:28

So...

the V de V is an absolute rake with a track record of romantic devastation behind him. He has set his sights on a highly moral, innocent and apparently happily married wife. The C de C is scathing of his choice, but now happy to encourage/goad him on.

Surely the only attraction here is the power of the forbidden? And the moment La Presidente caves in, V de V will lose interest?

But what are her choices? Her resistance is driving him crazy and making him worse. But if she gives in he wins.

What else can she do at this point?

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BishyBarnyBee · 03/06/2024 07:21

Letter 33: The Marquise de Merteuil to the Vicomte de Valmont

  • The Marquise tells the Vicomte that he's wasting his time trying to appeal to Tourvel's heart through letters.
  • To really get her to cave in to him, he needs to do it in person. It's too easy to resist in letters.
  • It's also too difficult to fake feelings in letters. She thinks his phrasing gives him away.
  • It's way easier to be convincing in person—you can cry, have sad eyes, sound sympathetic, etc.
  • BTW, she's making good progress with Cécile.
Letter 34: The Vicomte de Valmont to the Marquise de Merteuil
  • Valmont disagrees, saying he has no choice except to write because Tourvel, "the monster," won't speak to him.
  • Even getting letters to her is impossible. She won't even accept them.
  • Valmont sends a letter postmarked from the location of her husband, thinking this will trick her into opening it.
  • It works.
  • She opens it before Valmont and Madame de Rosemonde.
  • She's not pleased, but won't tell Rosemonde who it's from.
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BishyBarnyBee · 01/06/2024 07:23

Letter 32: Madame de Volanges to Madame de Tourvel

  • Despite Tourvel's account of Valmont's generosity, Volanges still has no illusions about the fact that he's really an evil jerk.
  • One good deed can't possibly prove anything. It's outweighed by the hundreds of terrible things he's done and the people he's hurt.
  • She warns Tourvel again not to trust him and not to even be in his company.
  • She herself only allows him in her home out of social obligation. She knows it seems hypocritical of her.
  • She also warns there'd be a huge scandal if people learned they were staying under the same roof. Even the Marquise wouldn't do that.
  • She seems desperate to get Tourvel to see the truth about Valmont.
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BishyBarnyBee · 31/05/2024 07:41

Letter 31: The Chevalier Danceny to Cécile de Volanges

  • Danceny is now ecstatic even though the two of them have to hide their love from others.
  • He promises to love her more every day and devote himself to her forever.
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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 30/05/2024 09:23

I also agree that the nefarious pair are the most interesting characters in the book so far.

I'm wondering what Danceny is playing at. He must know that she is out of his league, presumably as he is only a humble chevalier. Is he completely lovestruck or is there a sinister motive in that he is out to seduce her too. We'll see.

FestiveAuntFanny · 30/05/2024 09:17

AgualusasLover · 29/05/2024 21:39

@BishyBarnyBee (and anyone else) I re-read Viv Groskop’s essay on this book (in a book called Au Revoir Tristesse) and she essentially argues that Laclos essentially makes us complicit by drawing us to the Marquise and Valmont as more interesting, so you sort of read it hating that you so invested in them. That’s definitely how I feel reading it, like, dirty, but I keep going back for more - and liking it.

That's an interesting take, the problem is really with Cécile who's not got much personality at this point, understandably given her youth and sheltered upbringing.

Am trying to think back to reading Clarissa - a very long time ago - and I think she was much more of a character so as a reader I really didn't want her to 'fall' and the whole book was agonisingly tense - even though it is incredibly long it fairly rushed by.

I do remember really enjoying Liaisons at the same time so hopefully the 'victim' characters will pick up a bit.

CornishLizard · 30/05/2024 08:37

Thank you for the summaries and posts. I’m enjoying reading along.

I agree VdV and MdM are more interesting than their victims but at the moment I wouldn’t say I’m quite cheering them on - VdV perhaps more so after the trick with the indebted family, which was a neat return of MT’s manoeuvring, but Cecile is such a sitting duck and the music teacher such a wet blanket that I’m not sympathetic to MdM. Possibly this is a gender double standard but at least VdV is attracted to his victim rather than it being a wholly cold blooded crime if I’m reading it right?