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Did She Fall Or Was She Pushed? Dangerous Liaisons Readalong 2024

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BishyBarnyBee · 15/04/2024 08:14

Following a series of successful Fallen Women readalongs - War and Peace, Anna Karenina, Madame Bovary, Ruth - we continue our exploration of desire, hypocrisy, disgrace and redemption with the earlier (and even more scandalous) Dangerous Liaisons.

Widely adapted in text, film, opera and even ballet, Les Liaisons Dangereuses is an epistolatory novel comprising 175 letters.

Author Chodelos de Laclos "resolved to write a book that would be quite outside the ordinary trend, which would make a sensation and echo over the world after I left it." His book was a succès de scandale on its 1782 publication, reviewed as "diabolique" while becoming an instant bestseller. Marie Antoinette commissioned a blank cover copy for her library, and Virginia Woolf later read it with "great delight".

Readalongs are Mumsnet's best kept secret - a quiet corner of the site where we tackle the books we might not manage alone, sharing our thoughts and reactions, and encouraging each other to keep going when life - or the book - are challenging. It's fine to dip in and out as life permits, very few of us manage to keep up consistently.

We've only heard good things about DL, so do join us for a cracking good read. We start 1st May, 1 letter a day:

1 - 31 May Letters 1 - 31
1 - 30 June Letters 32 - 61
1 - 31 July Letters 62 - 92
1 - 31 August Letters 93 - 123
1- 30 September 124 - 153
1 - 22nd October 154 - 175

There are summaries of each letter at shmoop.com. I'll post them when I can, but anyone is welcome to start us off if you are first here on the day.

Looking forward to it!


Les Liaisons dangereuses (Dangerous Liaisons) Summary

Free summary and analysis of the events in Pierre Ambroise François Choderlos de Laclos's Les Liaisons dangereus...

Les Liaisons dangereuses (Dangerous Liaisons) Summary

Free summary and analysis of the events in Pierre Ambroise François Choderlos de Laclos's Les Liaisons dangereuses (Dangerous Liaisons) that won't make you snore. We promise.

https://www.shmoop.com/study-guides/dangerous-liaisons/summary.html

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BishyBarnyBee · 19/06/2024 07:38

Letter 50: Madame de Tourvel to the Vicomte de Valmont

  • Tourvel reprimands Valmont for breaking his promise to send her only friendly letters.
  • She shouldn't, as a married woman, be receiving passionate letters from a man who isn't her husband.
  • Why would Valmont want to make himself miserable by continuing this kind of correspondence? He has access to plenty of other women that could make him happier than someone like her.
  • So just cool it, already.
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Tarahumara · 19/06/2024 06:32

Oh nice, thanks @FuzzyCaoraDhubh!

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 18/06/2024 08:37

There was a cheeky line in Letter 48.

Valmont referred to the table on which he was writing this letter as 'the sacred altar of love, dedicated for the first time for this purpose' and then 'elle' replaces 'la table' which could also signify his lover, Émilie. Nice word play there.

BishyBarnyBee · 18/06/2024 08:02

Letter 49: Cécile de Volanges to the Chevalier Danceny

  • Seems Cécile is having second thoughts.
  • She confesses her love, but says she can't act on it and shouldn't be writing to Danceny anymore.
  • She's asked God to help her forget him.
  • If he writes her again, she'll have to tell her mother.
  • If she could love anyone, it would be him, but that's all she can say.
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BishyBarnyBee · 17/06/2024 18:10

Letter 48: The Vicomte de Valmont to the Présidente de Tourvel

  • Valmont writes to the Présidente about his love.
  • In the floweriest language imaginable, he goes on about his joys and suffering, how the air he breathes is ecstasy thinking about his love.
  • But he's tormented because he can't convince her of his sincerity.
  • He begs for a reply to his letter.
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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 16/06/2024 09:34

Yes! It illustrates who he is. We have only heard of his antics to date. Poor Cécile! He's on his way...

BishyBarnyBee · 16/06/2024 07:52

So much to loathe in this episode of utterly brazen and unscrupulous hedonism.

Interesting, though, that Emilie is very much a partner in crime rather than a victim. Even when he performs the iconic, and potentially misogynistic act of using her as his writing desk, she is in on the act and finds it hilariously entertaining.

What a villain!

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BishyBarnyBee · 16/06/2024 07:45
  • Letter 47: The Vicomte de Valmont to the Marquise de MerteuilValmont spends an evening with his friend Émilie, a courtesan.
  • Émilie had promised to sleep with another guy, but they got him drunk and sent him off in a carriage.
  • Now Valmont has her all to himself for the night.
  • He tells her about his plot to seduce Tourvel, even using her body as a desk on which to write a letter to her.
  • He's sending the letter to the Marquise so she can mail it to Tourvel postmarked Paris.
  • On second thought, he decides to come and visit the Marquise and join her in visiting Madame de Volanges, his sworn enemy.
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BishyBarnyBee · 16/06/2024 07:43

He's seriously annoying, isn't he?

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 15/06/2024 09:40

Letter 46: Le Chevalier de Danceny gets the cold shoulder and feels unloved.

Whinge alert! He does feel sorry for himself.

The footnote at the end made me laugh.
Seems rather sarcastic!

Buttalapasta · 15/06/2024 08:40

I have to catch up too. I'm finding the French more challenging than I expected. 🙄

Hoolahoophop · 14/06/2024 10:33

Just checking in to see where we are up to. I have been away on my holidays and forgot to pack the book. Back now and wanting to catch up. Letter 45! I think I left it on Letter 23! Will have to read that and put down my other books tonight.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 14/06/2024 10:21

They are all misty-eyed following the departure of that rascal. Unbelievable!

BishyBarnyBee · 14/06/2024 09:06

Ok, all sorted, narrow escape, phew!

😁

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BishyBarnyBee · 14/06/2024 09:05

Letter 45: The Présidente de Tourvel to Madame de Volanges

  • Valmont has gone and his aunt was sad to see him leave.
  • Madame de Tourvel's feeling a little guilty about being the reason for his departure.
  • She wonders if she was a little too hasty in her judgment, but she was just honoring Madame de Volanges' advice.
  • She'll be bringing Madame de Volanges an invitation to join Madame de Rosemonde in the country, and looks forward to meeting Cécile.
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BishyBarnyBee · 13/06/2024 08:36

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 13/06/2024 08:19

It was a mistake to allow him to write to her!

Yes, the Mumsnet advice would definitely be "Block, Delete, Disengage".

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 13/06/2024 08:19

BishyBarnyBee · 12/06/2024 20:39

She almost seems like she has a chance against him at this point - has she started to see through his wily schemes?

It was a mistake to allow him to write to her!

BishyBarnyBee · 13/06/2024 07:35

Letter 44: The Vicomte de Valmont to the Marquise de Merteuil

  • Valmont can't wait to tell the Marquise how perfectly his plan is unfolding.
  • He tries to bribe the chambermaid to steal Tourvel's letters, but regrets it immediately.
  • Valmont and his valet plot to blackmail the chambermaid.
  • They arrange a lover's rendezvous in which the chambermaid is discovered undressed by Valmont. Shocking.
  • With the chambermaid now forced into working secretly for him, Valmont reads Tourvel's letters and learns that Madame de Volanges is the one spreading bad news about him.
  • Valmont promises not only to seduce Cécile, but to ruin her reputation in revenge for her mother trying to ruin his.
  • Before leaving, Valmont manipulates Tourvel into allowing him to kiss her hand.
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BishyBarnyBee · 12/06/2024 20:39

She almost seems like she has a chance against him at this point - has she started to see through his wily schemes?

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BishyBarnyBee · 12/06/2024 20:38

Letter 43: The Présidente de Tourvel to the Vicomte de Valmont

  • As anticipated, Tourvel won't reveal the accuser.
  • Since they've only been concerned for her welfare, she doesn't want to betray them.
  • But she won't agree to a private talk with Valmont.
  • She does agree to receive his letters if he gives up the love-talk.
  • She points out that he hasn't followed through yet on his promise to leave.
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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 12/06/2024 14:37

Letter 42: The Vicomte goes snooping in la Présidente's room, but does not find the letters from Mme Volanges warning her against him.

You have to admire the cool cheek of this man!

Maybe la Présidente has a hairstyle like Marge Simpson and she keeps her correspondence in her hair ;)

AgualusasLover · 10/06/2024 18:10

Rascally - I love this

BishyBarnyBee · 10/06/2024 07:21

Letter 41: The Présidente de Tourvel to the Vicomte de Valmont

  • In her letter, Tourvel says that Valmont's protestations just go to prove what she already thinks about him.
  • She tells Valmont that her friends warned her about him, that he needs to leave, and that she'll go if he won't.
  • If he really wants her to see him as honorable, then he'll agree to her request and leave.
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BishyBarnyBee · 10/06/2024 07:21

Oh yes, top level villainy!

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CornishLizard · 09/06/2024 15:31

Have been catching up and incredulous at MdM’s shenanigans, especially emphasising geriatric Gercourt’s unattractiveness to Sophie - ‘she could not hate him more if she had been married to him for ten years’!!

Also struck by how the phrase ‘virtuous’ is so often synonymous with ‘privileged and lucky so far’.

Not having known anything about the book, am surprised how readable it is, and also how overtly rascally the baddies are and how icky it can be to watch.

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