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HoppyHat · 01/04/2024 21:08

Do they bother you? I realise I am annoyed/disappointed by simple "mistakes" which surely a decent editor should notice?

A couple of examples

A very very popular novel. Set in modern day London. Character regularly gets the bus from A to B along a named road all of which exist in real life. But they don't use the correct bus number! Nothing bad happens on the bus, the driver isn't awful, nothing libellous. So why not use the correct bus number?

I've just finished a book which I really liked. The author is American. But part of the book is set in a posh English school in the 1950s. The headteacher calls the season following summer "Fall". And says (more than once) "you need to write your sister" (or similar) not write TO.

To me these things are so obvious and quite jarring. Anyone else?

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BronzeAge · 23/08/2024 22:13

WelcomeMarch · 23/08/2024 22:08

In A Good Girl's Guide to Murder, teenage Pip applies to Cambridge and gets 'one of the very first offers to come in'.

But Cambridge makes all its offers on a single day in January, so how did she know?

In one of the Chalet School books, someone’s ’name is put down for Oxford’.

Saschka · 23/08/2024 22:11

JudgeJudging · 31/07/2024 13:58

The people who think middle-class Marianne going to the same school as the working-class Connell in Normal People is a 'mistake' either aren't Irish or are, Dubliners without much experience of small town life. It isn't a mistake. It's entirely plausible.

Totally plausible in London too! And everywhere else I’ve lived. Always found it baffling that people thought it wasn’t.

WelcomeMarch · 23/08/2024 22:08

In A Good Girl's Guide to Murder, teenage Pip applies to Cambridge and gets 'one of the very first offers to come in'.

But Cambridge makes all its offers on a single day in January, so how did she know?

FlorbelaEspanca · 23/08/2024 14:37

Abouttimeforanamechange · 02/04/2024 12:25

I once read a modernised edition of a book I read as a child. The £sd had been converted to decimal, but the prices etc remained the same. So ten shillings, which would have been quite a lot of money for a teenager in 1950, when the book was published, became 50p in the 1990s.

John Rowe Townsend's Widdershins Crescent (1965) was later published in an updated version (and retitled Goodbye to Gumble's Yard). In the original, 15 year old Kevin is forced, thanks to his guardian uncle's fecklessness and dishonesty, to leave his secondary modern school and take a job to support the family when he had been hoping for a late transfer to a grammar school. The updated version just has him not going into the sixth form of his comprehensive. The original thus had a political point which the update has lost - and some of the grit of the book with it, even if the political issue is now largely dead.

FlorbelaEspanca · 23/08/2024 12:04

Zonder · 23/08/2024 11:59

I guess he could have taken A levels in that small window of June 51.

Yes but not O levels two years before.

Zonder · 23/08/2024 11:59

I guess he could have taken A levels in that small window of June 51.

FlorbelaEspanca · 23/08/2024 11:04

In Robert Westall's Falling into glory, set in the early 1950s, the main character is about to take his A levels, two years before has taken his O levels, then one morning in assembly they pray for the king and all his ministers.

O and A level replaced General and Higher School Certificate in June 1951; King George VI died in February 1952. So I reckon you can have any two of those things but not all three.

As to American words in British books, I would commend the publishers of the US edition of Jan Mark's Handles, who preserved the full-on British English, Norfolk dialect and all, and simply provided a glossary at the back. I don't want my American books anglicised; US readers should not want their British books americanised.

1offnamechange · 11/08/2024 23:36

SixImpossibleThings · 11/08/2024 18:59

I once read a book by an American writer where the main character puts Billy Eliot on for her ballet mad daughter and friend to watch but the girls lose interest because they can't understand the "Scottish accents."

Haha I saw Billy elliot on Broadway, the usher clocked we were "briddish" and said we'd have to let them know what we thought of the accents.....I made sure to avoid him on the way out to avoid being rude 🤐

SixImpossibleThings · 11/08/2024 18:59

I once read a book by an American writer where the main character puts Billy Eliot on for her ballet mad daughter and friend to watch but the girls lose interest because they can't understand the "Scottish accents."

StirlingMallory · 11/08/2024 02:48

An audiobook error which had me confused then cross: the audiobook had two or three narrators and it took me ages to realise that there was just one character called Summer. It must have been written as Somer which can, of course, be pronounced the same as Summer.

Trouble is one narrator pronounced it Soh-mer and a different narrator pronounced it Summer. I thought they were two different characters for a good half of the book.

ElectiveAffinities · 11/08/2024 00:56

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 10/08/2024 12:33

It’s not exactly an inaccuracy, but I remember reading a book set in a hospital, where the author mentioned a patient having an intra-nasal naso-gastric tube!

I don’t know whether this is exactly an inaccuracy, either - more poor usage, really - but it’s amazing how many writers confuse 'prone' and 'supine' (and how many editors don’t notice).

Latenightreader · 10/08/2024 21:50

Decorhate · 10/08/2024 08:59

I’ve just remembered one set around WWI where bags of crisps were eaten at a picnic. I’m pretty sure they were not around then (unless homemade).

I read one recently (set in Wales in WW2) and had the same reaction. I think they were about but I was not convinced that the organisation (school or guides, can't remember which) would have got hold of so many packets in pre cash and carry days.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 10/08/2024 12:33

It’s not exactly an inaccuracy, but I remember reading a book set in a hospital, where the author mentioned a patient having an intra-nasal naso-gastric tube!

ChessieFL · 10/08/2024 12:05

Heffapotamus · 10/08/2024 10:06

I love Raynor Winn's books but partway through "Landlines", I was virtually yelling "it's Bridgwater, without the "e", not Bridgwater"!
How could the proofreaders have missed spelling the name of the town correctly?

I did exactly the same!!

Heffapotamus · 10/08/2024 10:06

I love Raynor Winn's books but partway through "Landlines", I was virtually yelling "it's Bridgwater, without the "e", not Bridgwater"!
How could the proofreaders have missed spelling the name of the town correctly?

Zonder · 10/08/2024 09:20

Decorhate · 10/08/2024 08:59

I’ve just remembered one set around WWI where bags of crisps were eaten at a picnic. I’m pretty sure they were not around then (unless homemade).

Possible I guess. First commercial production was 1910 in America and I suppose they must have put them in bags, even if they were brown paper bags.

Decorhate · 10/08/2024 08:59

I’ve just remembered one set around WWI where bags of crisps were eaten at a picnic. I’m pretty sure they were not around then (unless homemade).

BronzeAge · 02/08/2024 06:59

DeanElderberry · 02/08/2024 06:38

Who steals my purse steals trash

Shocking early influence of the Virginia colony or standard English?

Definitely the Virginia colony and its dreadful infiltrating ways. (See also ‘gotten’ and Halloween).😀

DeanElderberry · 02/08/2024 06:38

Who steals my purse steals trash

Shocking early influence of the Virginia colony or standard English?

southbailey · 01/08/2024 22:44

I've read a handful of books recently by British authors set in Britain where Americanisms such as trash are used.

Really makes me mutter to myself crossly.

LutonBeds · 31/07/2024 15:37

SydneyCarton · 31/07/2024 14:57

I’d forgotten Bridget Jones had a brother!

So did Helen Fielding....Grin

😆

SydneyCarton · 31/07/2024 14:57

I’d forgotten Bridget Jones had a brother!

So did Helen Fielding....Grin

LutonBeds · 31/07/2024 14:44

SPOILERS

I’d forgotten Bridget Jones had a brother! Long time since I read it though.

The Agatha Raisin books were terrible for continuity and plausibility at times. A few characters disappeared without explanation or had completely different back stories to when they were first introduced.

The plots just got sillier too; in ‘The Dead Ringer’ someone clonks her over the head, she wakes up in a coffin at her own funeral. No one to declare her dead, no death certificate, being buried in a strange parish by a vicar she doesn’t know in a church she doesn’t attend and all her friends just turn up and accept this as normal.

I used to love Agatha, she got me through some tough times but I couldn’t even be arsed to read the latest one as the plots became far too ridiculous.

JudgeJudging · 31/07/2024 13:59

Also, the people who think 'gender' is the polite word for 'sex' are likely to be the same people who think 'myself' is a more formal/polite version of 'me' eg 'That would be myself, Lord Sugar'.

JudgeJudging · 31/07/2024 13:58

DeanElderberry · 30/07/2024 19:45

Multi catch-up

People didn't use the word 'gender' except in terms of grammar until the late 1970s when it started featuring in academic theory. 'Gender' as something a person could manifest was not a concept. They used 'sex'. Women were 'the fair sex' not 'the fair gender' which would have been seen as bafflingly meaningless. They also didn't use 'having sex' in the way that has come to be used since the 1960s. 'Sexual intercourse' was used from the early 1960s on, before then a range of phrases, but it was not spoken of as much, and often in the most oblique terms.

The book that annoyed me most of one of those Anthony Horowitz mysteries, maybe Magpie Murders - there were loads of things, a person with a plastic shopping bag long before such things existed (too much pre-1950 plastic altogether - it's a new thing) and nightfall at least an hour too early. It was so egregious that I convinced myself it was a clue and I'd been very clever in spotting it (there was a story-within-a-story element) and was furious when it wasn't and I hadn't. Won't be reading any more of his.

I have no problem with Marianne going to the Community School - one that I know was founded when the Sacred Heart convent combined with a couple of other local schools and the legacy of Sacred Heart poshness is definitely still there. There's also a strong feeling in Ireland that although boarding schools can be useful for people who want to swot uninterrupted and get their Leaving Cert points up, they also have a disproportionate number of pupils from broken homes / dysfunctional families and that can make them - complicated and not very sound environments, particularly for girls.

And my copy of Gaudy Night, third edition, November 8th 1935, Gollancz London (1st edition was November 4th) has the Corporation garbage dump on page 307.

Edited

The people who think middle-class Marianne going to the same school as the working-class Connell in Normal People is a 'mistake' either aren't Irish or are, Dubliners without much experience of small town life. It isn't a mistake. It's entirely plausible.

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