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Inaccuracies in fiction

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HoppyHat · 01/04/2024 21:08

Do they bother you? I realise I am annoyed/disappointed by simple "mistakes" which surely a decent editor should notice?

A couple of examples

A very very popular novel. Set in modern day London. Character regularly gets the bus from A to B along a named road all of which exist in real life. But they don't use the correct bus number! Nothing bad happens on the bus, the driver isn't awful, nothing libellous. So why not use the correct bus number?

I've just finished a book which I really liked. The author is American. But part of the book is set in a posh English school in the 1950s. The headteacher calls the season following summer "Fall". And says (more than once) "you need to write your sister" (or similar) not write TO.

To me these things are so obvious and quite jarring. Anyone else?

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EveryKneeShallBow · 02/04/2024 10:37

I’m most annoyed by inaccuracies in children’s books. My five year old grandson recently pointed out that jumping spiders (popular as cute tv characters) don’t make webs, and it’s impossible to tow an iceberg with a tiny spacecraft.

IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 02/04/2024 10:37

BridgetRandomfuck · 02/04/2024 10:23

I once proofread an awful book by an American author about two people who get shipwrecked in the Maldives. They're eventually rescued and get taken to Male by the authorities, who then go and get them some food. They come back with...tacos! I'm sure the Maldivian capital is just heaving with Mexican food joints. I did flag it, whether it got changed or not I have no idea.

Google suggests at least 2 TexMex restaurants in Malé.

BronzeAge · 02/04/2024 10:30

Portakalkedi · 02/04/2024 10:08

I agree, the standard of editing is generally very poor these days. They can't even spot errors in grammar, spelling and punctuation, which should be a crucial part of their job, so they're unlikely to bother checking historical facts. I often think they must have rather inflated egos and assume they're so clever that they just know everything without having to check. I'd say that about 80% of stuff I read and listen to has errors.

I think you’re misinterpreting the editor’s job. A proof-reader will check spelling and grammatical errors (and sometimes have to have it pointed out to them that what they are reading as an accidental error is in fact intention, to indicate someone’s non-standard speech), but an editor isn’t a fact checker, and can’t be. It’s not even that an editor with no Nigerian heritage who isn’t a historian is unlikely to be an expert on oil production or specific peace accords during the Biafran war, or the geography of Lagos in 1994, it’s that they won’t know what they don’t know, like what a character is likely to be eating for dinner or current slang. They need to ask questions, but ultimately to trust their author’s research/experience.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 02/04/2024 10:26

And as another poster said, getting titles wrong. I see it so often and I've worn myself out pointing that out over the years. These things are checkable, fgs.

Bruisername · 02/04/2024 10:25

Some inaccuracies are so bad it just feels like the author has no respect for readers

and books that use language that is clearly aimed at a specific demographic(eg using American words when it’s set in UK) go into my cba pile

BridgetRandomfuck · 02/04/2024 10:23

I once proofread an awful book by an American author about two people who get shipwrecked in the Maldives. They're eventually rescued and get taken to Male by the authorities, who then go and get them some food. They come back with...tacos! I'm sure the Maldivian capital is just heaving with Mexican food joints. I did flag it, whether it got changed or not I have no idea.

Zonder · 02/04/2024 10:21

2mummies1baby · 02/04/2024 10:16

Yes, I'm afraid it would!

Me too I'm afraid.

drwitch · 02/04/2024 10:20

The version of the cat in the hat comes back that I have at home was typeset in the time of the high inflation of the early 70s. The price of the dad's shoes is in a different type. Obviously the original price was deemed unrealistic but it was too expensive to redo the whole thing 😀

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 02/04/2024 10:19

Worst EVER was a murder mystery set in the 14c (should have shoved it back on the shelf when I saw it was about the Templars, but you live and learn...) the 'detective' asked a peasant on a farm when he'd seen the suspect and the answer was 'about half past four;' when the answer would much more likely have been 'an hour before sunset' or at a push related to the canonical hours (if said peasant could hear church/monastery bells).

The Amazon blurb said that the writer had given up his job in IT to write full time and my review was pretty blunt about the fact that that was a mistake.

Also - a medieval murder mystery (sensing a theme here) where the heroine referred to metres instead of feet or yards.

thisiswheretheseagullfliesaway · 02/04/2024 10:18

VE day celebration in Dublin because the war was over and they sang god save the Queen 🫣. It's as if Neutrality and Republic never existed never mind it was a King at that point.

2mummies1baby · 02/04/2024 10:16

PuttingDownRoots · 02/04/2024 07:58

Question for pedants... I'm writing a book (never likely to be published). I want to set it on Town A and Town B, as I'm familiar with them. But it needs a university in Town B to work... would adding a fictional university bother you?

Yes, I'm afraid it would!

Latenightreader · 02/04/2024 10:11

CarolinaInTheMorning · 01/04/2024 21:54

This "translation" used to happen quite frequently, to the point that I would order books by some of my favorite British writers from the UK to avoid that. (I'm American). It happens less often now, thankfully.

It happened in reverse too - a book clearly set in the States and the main character goes to spend her £5 birthday money. I was really cross about that aged 12!

LittleWeed2 · 02/04/2024 10:09

Recently listened to a book called ‘the island’ or similar -two young people stranded after plane crash - they keep the fire burning …THEY KEEP THE FIRE BURNING - have you any idea how much wood it takes to keep a fire burning 24/7 -let alone for weeks, months ,years. A full pine forest , with equipment to chop at least.

BestIsWest · 02/04/2024 10:09

I’ve just read a book where the author refers to the middle lane of the M4 near Swansea. It only has two lanes west of Bridgend. Irritating.

Portakalkedi · 02/04/2024 10:08

I agree, the standard of editing is generally very poor these days. They can't even spot errors in grammar, spelling and punctuation, which should be a crucial part of their job, so they're unlikely to bother checking historical facts. I often think they must have rather inflated egos and assume they're so clever that they just know everything without having to check. I'd say that about 80% of stuff I read and listen to has errors.

2mummies1baby · 02/04/2024 10:05

MurderousCheekbones · 01/04/2024 22:15

I stopped reading a book which misspelled Barack Obama on page one.

Also a book set during the war when one Jewish sister said to the other 'remember when people hating Jews wasn't even a thing?' 🙄🙄 Because that's how people spoke in the 1940s.

Also, no one in 1940 would remember that! Anti-semitism was rife throughout Europe for centuries before World War Two!

MurderousCheekbones · 02/04/2024 10:02

Not a book, but the Netflix series Gloria, which is about a Colombian drug lord. At one point she says something about 'a fuckton of cocaine'.

As IF people said fuckton in the 70s!

2mummies1baby · 02/04/2024 09:58

I so nearly started this exact thread last week! I have just read Her Last Move by John Marrs, which had two glaring factual errors:

  1. He set World Book Day on a Friday in April- it is always the first Thursday in March;

  2. "Twins ran in his family"- this is not a thing! Non-identical twins run on the maternal line, because what is actually hereditary is a woman's tendency to release more than one egg per ovulation. Identical twins aren't hereditary at all!

I'm so glad I'm not alone in being driven to distraction by things like this!

Chitterlina · 02/04/2024 09:44

Very petty, but I’ve always been irritated by a discrepancy in Fay Weldon’s short story Weekend. Probably because I think it’s great, otherwise.

The character Katie is introduced as their friend’s new younger wife. Later in the story, Katie says she’s never getting married and her partner is put out because he wants to marry her more than anything. Because it’s a short story, I couldn’t understand how such a detail was missed in the edit.

A general visual thing on TV which really grates on me - when a character is handed a supposedly hot from the kettle/kiosk cup of tea or coffee, then holds it around the cup (nope #1) then starts immediately drinking it (nope #2).

almondfinger · 02/04/2024 09:37

For me it’s looking out windows at plants and flowers that are either not in flower at the same time or abundant flowering in winter. It’s not that difficult to look up. And divine scents from unscented flowers!

LeoTheLeopard · 02/04/2024 09:33

BronzeAge · 01/04/2024 22:12

I don’t think that’s true, actually, though I know a lot of UK viewers of the tv adaptation struggled with it because it would be more unlikely in the UK. Absolutely, it wouldn’t have been implausible for her to board, but neither is it at all implausible for her to attend the local school. I mean, I think there are reasons within the story to explain it, too, but I don’t think it really needs explaining.

@Riverlee — no, a deeply obscure one!

And I did start Connie Willis’s Blackout, and, even leaving aside the errors and anachronisms, it just didn’t really work as a novel, I thought.

Honestly, I disagree. Her family have the house in Italy, there is no way she would have gone to a Community School.

Look at how much of a snob her brother is. Her mother is a solicitor! Not a chance she wasn’t at a convent. (I could even shortlist the actual schools she would have gone to!)

yarnwitch · 02/04/2024 09:07

I got irrationally irritated reading In Someone Elses's Shoes by Jojo Moyes. A vital part of plot involved the shoes going to a charity shop and the main characters tracing the buyer of the shoes by distracting the shop worker and sneaking a look at the buyers gift aid details written in a book behind the till.
Gift aid details are only given when you donate, not when you buy! A small detail but it rendered it completely unbelievable.

96redballoons · 02/04/2024 08:46

Lessons in Chemistry. Was so highly recommended, even had someone stop me on a train to tell me how much I was going to enjoy it. But in the first couple of pages it had a child being the envy of her schoolmates because her lunchbox contained warm cookies.

Ruined it for me. They're not going to still be warm at bloody lunchtime, are they?

petridishmystery · 02/04/2024 08:38

FoxyLocksie · 01/04/2024 23:34

I got very irritated by the inaccuracies in that stupid book called The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society or something like that.

It's supposed to take place in the UK and Guernsey in 1946, at a time when the country was pretty much bankrupt, there was full-on rationing and people had next to nothing.

One of the characters, an editor, has some business to do in Australia and goes there by air several times during the story. The thing is that in 1946 very few people were flying anywhere from the UK. Heathrow was still just a few huts in a field. Flying to Australia would have taken weeks and cost an absolute fortune! The book lost all credibility at that point (not that it had much to begin with, to be honest)!

I thoroughly enjoy that book and have actually read it twice but…yeah. I live here. It’s good for a laugh! I enjoy the actual story tho which is why I read it a second time.

When I went to a showing of the film there was lots of tittering from the audience as it majestically panned over stunning views of somewhere that was very much not Guernsey.

BronzeAge · 02/04/2024 08:32

badger2005 · 02/04/2024 08:23

Just generally as well, I hate it when time goes too quickly in novels.

Janine switched on the kettle. 'So how's it all going with your mum?' she asked.
'Not bad' I said.
She gave me a look. 'You know you're going to have to tell her?' she said, carrying the cups over to the coffee table.

No! You have to have a whole conversation while the kettle boils, and probably about 15 sentences of chat just taking out the teabags and putting the milk back in the fridge etc. Similarly in books people exchange a couple of pages of dialogue and then it's the end of the evening. Actually it takes loads and loads of talking to fill up a whole evening. Real conversation is repetitive and filled with guff. I'm not asking for all of that to be put in, but you need to give me a sense that time is passing and other things are happening.

I think in your example, I’d assume Janine was just putting empty cups on the table while the kettle boiled for a cafetière, not that she’d magically made coffee already?

But I know what you mean. A novelist friend’s husband pointed out the opposite — that she’d made a kettle boil over a campfire in not much longer than it would take an electric kettle. I think she caught it at proof stage.

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