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Inaccuracies in fiction

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HoppyHat · 01/04/2024 21:08

Do they bother you? I realise I am annoyed/disappointed by simple "mistakes" which surely a decent editor should notice?

A couple of examples

A very very popular novel. Set in modern day London. Character regularly gets the bus from A to B along a named road all of which exist in real life. But they don't use the correct bus number! Nothing bad happens on the bus, the driver isn't awful, nothing libellous. So why not use the correct bus number?

I've just finished a book which I really liked. The author is American. But part of the book is set in a posh English school in the 1950s. The headteacher calls the season following summer "Fall". And says (more than once) "you need to write your sister" (or similar) not write TO.

To me these things are so obvious and quite jarring. Anyone else?

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Abouttimeforanamechange · 02/04/2024 12:56

Enid Blyton by any chance?

Not this one, it was A Dream of Sadler's Wells by Lorna Hill. But I've seen it done other books too.

BIWI · 02/04/2024 12:55

Didn't J K Rowling say, afterwards though, that she had Euston in her mind when she wrote the books - but mistakenly (at the time) thought it was Kings Cross?

JaninaDuszejko · 02/04/2024 12:53

It seems rather churlish to complain about facts in a fantasy book but Platform 9 3/4 annoys me because as everyone who has been to Kings Cross knows platforms 9 & 10 are separated by tracks not by a brick barrier.

Abouttimeforanamechange · 02/04/2024 12:52

I gave up on a well regarded UK set historical crime series by a US author who had no idea about titles, or about how the criminal justice system works. Or just decided to ignore the bits that didn't fit their plot. And no, a woman couldn't have been a magistrate at the time the book was set, but that was a fairly minor point compared to all the rest of the nonsense.

The author also had someone holding a particular rank in the British Army who was far too young to have that rank. I think that must have been pointed out, because there was an attempt to explain it away in a later book, but the character just wasn't believable.

(My copy of Gaudy Night, a 1978 edition, has Harriet saying 'corporation dump' and 'corporation garbage dump'.)

Saschka · 02/04/2024 12:44

AtomicBlondeRose · 02/04/2024 12:36

Enid Blyton by any chance? This annoys me - any child with a brain in their head can work out these books were written at a different time and using shillings etc just adds to the feel of the book. Having random decimal amounts that make no sense makes them weird to read.

Yes and no - DS and I are reading a secret seven book at the minute, which has an “unaffordable” vet bill of £70 (it’s a working adult who can’t afford it, and the children are all horrified at the vast sum).

I’ve changed it to £7000, because even aged 6 DS knows that £70 isn’t credible.

AtomicBlondeRose · 02/04/2024 12:36

Abouttimeforanamechange · 02/04/2024 12:25

I once read a modernised edition of a book I read as a child. The £sd had been converted to decimal, but the prices etc remained the same. So ten shillings, which would have been quite a lot of money for a teenager in 1950, when the book was published, became 50p in the 1990s.

Enid Blyton by any chance? This annoys me - any child with a brain in their head can work out these books were written at a different time and using shillings etc just adds to the feel of the book. Having random decimal amounts that make no sense makes them weird to read.

muddyford · 02/04/2024 12:30

One of my favourite novels uses 'teenager' despite it being set pre-WW2.

Another by the same writer (English) describes the sky as robin's egg blue. European robins lay off-white eggs with freckles.

And same author again has a character killed in a car accident but there wasn't a post mortem on the pissed driver.

Abouttimeforanamechange · 02/04/2024 12:25

I once read a modernised edition of a book I read as a child. The £sd had been converted to decimal, but the prices etc remained the same. So ten shillings, which would have been quite a lot of money for a teenager in 1950, when the book was published, became 50p in the 1990s.

Bluescissorsbluepen · 02/04/2024 12:25

I recently saw a play which was set where I grew up with a character of the age I would have been. At the interval I was raving about how accurate it was, the speech patterns, the tricks interests everything was spot on, so I assumed the author would have to be my age and from there. Another patron said no, they thought the same googled it and they were younger and America. We chatted for ages about how amazing that was. Then after the second half we came out and exchanged a look - it was full of slang from the nearest big city, events jumped decades either way and, while still good, wasn’t as magical. We reckon someone local worked really hard on Act 1 but they ran out of time after that.

I also don’t understand translating into Americanisms etc surely half the point of reading is getting into the world of the characters, pretty sure mum over mom doesn’t make it u readable.

HuntingoftheSnark · 02/04/2024 12:20

A book called Sophie by Judith Saxton. Sophie starts to diet and loses three stone in a month, but also reflects on the weeks within that month when the scales refused to budge at all. That was quite an impressive diet.

Riverlee · 02/04/2024 12:14

FoxyLocksie · 01/04/2024 23:34

I got very irritated by the inaccuracies in that stupid book called The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society or something like that.

It's supposed to take place in the UK and Guernsey in 1946, at a time when the country was pretty much bankrupt, there was full-on rationing and people had next to nothing.

One of the characters, an editor, has some business to do in Australia and goes there by air several times during the story. The thing is that in 1946 very few people were flying anywhere from the UK. Heathrow was still just a few huts in a field. Flying to Australia would have taken weeks and cost an absolute fortune! The book lost all credibility at that point (not that it had much to begin with, to be honest)!

That’s true. I knew people who went to Australia in sixties to work. They went on a shop. Took weeks I believe.

LadyPeterWimsey · 02/04/2024 11:49

@WelcomeMarch I think it's original to Sayers and not altered, myself.

Katspace · 02/04/2024 11:45

Yes!

Describing exiting tube stations by lift or whatever when I know there isn’t one. Can’t the author do some basic research. Or the geography of London by someone you can tell has never been here.

Also the way they often describe Dutch people as speaking of behaving doesn’t ring true at all (that bloody Oppenheimer film where Cillian allegedly speaks Dutch as well).

Catbustotoro · 02/04/2024 11:39

I love a good regency romance, and I was horrified recently when the author had completely misunderstood the concept of a dowry! She had a feckless father planning to marry his daughters off for the money he would get as their 'bride-price'
I just can't believe that anyone who sets out to write a regency romance hadn't read enough of them to know they've got it backwards?
Similarly, I was also annoyed by the regency heroine who perched in the sand dunes of Brighton gazing wistfully out to sea when she thought she'd been abandoned... not much sand round here! 😖

HilaryThorpe · 02/04/2024 11:29

My offering is a crime novel set in France where the event was witnessed by a milkman. 😂

Divebar2021 · 02/04/2024 11:24

I found a book called The Khan barely readable and it had been given “ crime book of the month “‘award by The Sunday Times. Firstly there were various aspects of the plot that were unbelievable additionally some of the policing / criminal justice aspects were so wrong. So, so wrong.

WelcomeMarch · 02/04/2024 11:22

In defence of copyeditors and proofreaders, though, the mistakes you spot are the ones that got away. Nobody can see all the errors that did get caught.

WelcomeMarch · 02/04/2024 11:20

LadyPeterWimsey · 02/04/2024 07:59

@CarolinaInTheMorning and @EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel

I don't have access to my copies of Gaudy Night, but I am pretty sure Peter does refer to the 'Corporation dump' and 'Corporation garbage dump' when he and Harriet go punting - and mine are definitely UK editions.

It's corporation dump in the preface by Sayers, and garbage dump in Harriet's comment, in my edition. (I haven't actually memorized the whole book -- it's on my bedside table.) I want an original edition now in case anything else was altered.

The typo on the first page of that book bugs me in every edition I've seen: 'blue-like flames', when it should be 'blue -- like flames'.

petridishmystery · 02/04/2024 11:13

BIWI · 02/04/2024 10:54

If ever I get round to writing my best-seller, I must remember to make all towns/places/trainlines totally fictional!

I’ve set mine in a totally fictional world and I still keep having to do random bits of fact checking and research!

Footle · 02/04/2024 11:02

I started reading the sample of Weyward but was stopped in my tracks by the swarm of bees hanging from a branch. It was referred to as a hive. Ffs.

HoppyHat · 02/04/2024 11:00

BouledeSuife that's astonishing 😮

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HoppyHat · 02/04/2024 10:58

GetWhatYouWant that really sounds dreadful. And I get the desire to let them know. The Book of Goose, which prompted my starting this thread, had me reaching for my notepaper to send a "disappointed from London" letter 😆

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Bruisername · 02/04/2024 10:58

I think that’s the only way! You can base it on somewhere you know but tweak the names!!

I avoid books based where I live because it’s unlikely there won’t be something that irritates!!

BIWI · 02/04/2024 10:54

If ever I get round to writing my best-seller, I must remember to make all towns/places/trainlines totally fictional!

HoppyHat · 02/04/2024 10:53

tobee that does sound very niche pedantry!!

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