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Inaccuracies in fiction

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HoppyHat · 01/04/2024 21:08

Do they bother you? I realise I am annoyed/disappointed by simple "mistakes" which surely a decent editor should notice?

A couple of examples

A very very popular novel. Set in modern day London. Character regularly gets the bus from A to B along a named road all of which exist in real life. But they don't use the correct bus number! Nothing bad happens on the bus, the driver isn't awful, nothing libellous. So why not use the correct bus number?

I've just finished a book which I really liked. The author is American. But part of the book is set in a posh English school in the 1950s. The headteacher calls the season following summer "Fall". And says (more than once) "you need to write your sister" (or similar) not write TO.

To me these things are so obvious and quite jarring. Anyone else?

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Bruisername · 02/04/2024 18:43

technology is another bug bear - tv not a book- but 20 years ago iPhones weren’t ubiquitous and the thought a bunch of teens would all have one was not realistic

BridgetRandomfuck · 02/04/2024 18:39

IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 02/04/2024 10:37

Google suggests at least 2 TexMex restaurants in Malé.

I suppose it’s possible (though this was about 15years ago), but seems more likely the American author didn’t realise that Mexican food is not commonly available in many other countries like it is in the US.

SevenSeasOfRhye · 02/04/2024 18:26

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/04/2024 15:25

Dh is a railway nut, and always notices (and points out) when characters are on a train, but the interior and exterior are different trains. Extra points are available if the trains only run on preserved railways, not regular services.

I, too, rant at the TV when this happens - fortunately I am married to a fellow railway enthusiast so we can moan together! We enjoy playing 'identify the heritage railway' when it's a steam train filmed in modern times - often on a single line track when the supposed route would be on the mainline!

petermaddog · 02/04/2024 17:24

Horse Chestnut (Aesculus hippocastanum) is a plant extract with a group of molecules known as aescins, which are beneficial to circulatory health. Supplementation of horse chestnut appears to be beneficial for varicose veins and veinous insufficiency.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 02/04/2024 17:22

That’s true. I knew people who went to Australia in sixties to work. They went on a shop. Took weeks I believe

Six to seven weeks when my great aunt went out in the early sixties.

SydneyCarton · 02/04/2024 17:21

Ironically I’ve just started reading a book on the kindle app where the main character is freeing a sheep trapped in barbed wire who is “making sad plaintiff moans”…… He also walks down to the beach and sits “on the shingles” Hmm

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 02/04/2024 16:34

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/04/2024 15:25

Dh is a railway nut, and always notices (and points out) when characters are on a train, but the interior and exterior are different trains. Extra points are available if the trains only run on preserved railways, not regular services.

I always wondered how they could film someone on a train but also film it from the outside, coming into a station. So now I know!

Needmorelego · 02/04/2024 15:56

A few years ago there used to be a whole thing in the letters page of The Times (or maybe Guardian?) about incorrect Routemaster buses in historical TV dramas 😂

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/04/2024 15:25

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 01/04/2024 22:32

I remember one from EastEnders - does that count?! Cindy (it was a long time ago!) was leaving on a train. Forget where she was going but it definitely wasn't to Croydon, but they'd filmed it on the bit just after Clapham Junction on the way to East Croydon which I travelled on every day so I recognised it!

Dh is a railway nut, and always notices (and points out) when characters are on a train, but the interior and exterior are different trains. Extra points are available if the trains only run on preserved railways, not regular services.

MollyButton · 02/04/2024 15:15

BatshitCrazyWoman · 02/04/2024 05:14

A few years ago I read a novel set in a town I'd lived in for decades. The lead character moved into a 'lovely little flat' round the corner from the station. The author even described the route from the station to this delightful little flat. Except there are no flats there, just offices, the police station and a huge Waitrose car park.

That's just creative license. I'm working on something where I am deliberately inventing details as I wouldn't want to slander real people.

Abouttimeforanamechange · 02/04/2024 14:59

And one novel set in the 16th century, in which a critical plot point depends on a characters arms being visible as he swims.

I think I might know who you're thinking of. (Don't want to say who, because of spoilers.) If it is him, he might well have met someone somewhere who'd seen it done around the coast of Africa or in the East Indies. A Portuguese sailor, perhaps.

Treaclewell · 02/04/2024 14:40

Anthony Buckeridge - I read Jennings to my classes at times, and I had to go searching to find early editions with proper money. You could not buy enough rock to share round the dorm with 2 1/2 p, when they could with 6d.
Archer's Goon by Diana Wynne Jones. I wanted to put a copy inn my book corner, and had to through with Tippex and a fine black pen to eliminate tires, trunks, sidewalks etc. In a very British setting, published by a British publisher.
And one fantasy novel set in Arthurian times. You can get away with a lot of anachronisms in such work - Malory did, after all. But this one had a feral girl living off the land, and killing a squirrel. Not so odd, except it was a ground squirrel. And she made an enormous number of meals with it and kept some for the future. Related to the Derby Ram, I suppose. Or the author had seen the giant ground squirrel in Crystal Palace Park.
And one novel set in the 16th century, in which a critical plot point depends on a characters arms being visible as he swims. And the crawl didn't make it here until the 20th century, though one might, I suppose, have a character having learned it once the Southern Hemisphere had begun to be explored, or at a pinch the East Indies. Southern indigenous peoples all did it. I had to go and look it up.

muddyford · 02/04/2024 14:28

Oh, and a character dying after marriage, but as she hadn't rewritten her will her obnoxious sons inherit everything. Rather than the will then being invalid and her husband actually inheriting something.

zaxxon · 02/04/2024 13:41

@BronzeAge above is correct that these lapses aren't the editor's fault. Editors are meant to spot inconsistencies, and will sometimes spot factual errors just through their own general knowledge. But they can't check everything - can you imagine the time it would take to fact-check an entire 80,000-word historical novel? The budget would never allow for it.

A fiction editor's most important job is to make the story so good that you won't notice or mind any little details that are out of place.

Abouttimeforanamechange · 02/04/2024 13:33

Is that Elizabeth George's Inspector Lynley series?

No, a different author. Thought that 'Lady Bloggs' would cease to be known as 'Lady Bloggs' when her husband died and the title (whatever it was, don't recall) passed to her son. Also talked about faucets and drapes.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 02/04/2024 13:33

SydneyCarton · 02/04/2024 13:16

@Abouttimeforanamechange Is that Elizabeth George's Inspector Lynley series? I thought it was not bad given that she is from the US, but the constant references to "Lady Helen this" and "Lady Helen that" - never just "Helen" - started to grate on me. I can't remember what "Lady Helen's" family background was supposed to be though

My guess is that it's not Elizabeth George. She is very accurate on titles of nobility. I agree that she doesn't need to constantly refer to "Lady" Helen, but Helen is the daughter of an earl in the books, so that title is correct. George is also correct on the titles of Lynley and his family members, even referencing Lynley's viscount title (before his father died) in some of the books.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 02/04/2024 13:24

LadyPeterWimsey · 02/04/2024 11:49

@WelcomeMarch I think it's original to Sayers and not altered, myself.

That's what I think, too. I can't find my ancient paperback of Gaudy Night, but I did a word search in my Kindle edition, which seems to have only changed to American English spellings, but left everything else intact. I found the "garbage dump" reference as well as the "corporation dump" references, but I also found two uses of "rubbish," one referring to rubbish in its sense of things disposed of and another in the sense of someone talking rubbish. "Rubbish" in either sense is not often used by US speakers of English, so I think might have been changed if an editor were "Americanizing" the language.

Needmorelego · 02/04/2024 13:24

In "The Girl on the Train" the train stations and suburbs are fictional - maybe because the writer didn't want it to be a specific place and didn't want people to point out errors (😂) but one of the place names is an actual real town in another part of the UK. One which ironically doesn't have a train station.
One of the authors earlier books (published under a different name) has parts set in a specific town and there are many references to real places (the name of a road etc) but then had reference to a large department store with doesn't exist in the town. It's weird it was so accurate with the road number ("A 123" or whatever it was) yet this bit of the story is so inaccurate!

Xylophonics · 02/04/2024 13:17

Reading Notes from a Scandal by Zoe Heller made me think that the author had never been in a modern day state school in her life - the school scenes did not correspond to reality of national curriculums etc , but still thought it was a good book.

SydneyCarton · 02/04/2024 13:16

@Abouttimeforanamechange Is that Elizabeth George's Inspector Lynley series? I thought it was not bad given that she is from the US, but the constant references to "Lady Helen this" and "Lady Helen that" - never just "Helen" - started to grate on me. I can't remember what "Lady Helen's" family background was supposed to be though

Gwenhwyfar · 02/04/2024 13:09

"Also - a medieval murder mystery (sensing a theme here) where the heroine referred to metres instead of feet or yards."

I would appreciate this so that I could understand the distance.
It's not like the dialogue is going to be 100% how people spoke in the middle ages anyway, is it?

CrossPurposes · 02/04/2024 13:08

Dystopian fiction set in a world of global catastrophe and characters are still having coffees, cigarettes, and bananas as if trade hadn't ceased. And there is still petrol for driving.

TarnishedMoonstone · 02/04/2024 13:04

spilltheteapot · 02/04/2024 04:39

I recently felt smug discovering an inaccuracy by ‘Robert Galbraith’ (JK Rowling). In one of her Cormoran Strike detective novels, Strike, who is an Arsenal fan, settles down to watch the 3pm match on television.

But he couldn’t have, because Premier League, Football League or FA Cup matches between 2:45pm - 5:15pm are not shown on TV in compliance with Article 48 of the UEFA statutes.

I remember feeling absolutely enraged when I read it because I love the series so much!

Another Galbraith one - we eventually learn that Robin’s father is a professor of sheep medicine at Durham vet school. But Durham doesn’t have a vet school!! So upsetting - I too was enraged cos I love them - as it would have been so easy to check, and it completely threw me out of her universe for a couple of chapters.

JudgeJudging · 02/04/2024 13:00

AtomicBlondeRose · 02/04/2024 12:36

Enid Blyton by any chance? This annoys me - any child with a brain in their head can work out these books were written at a different time and using shillings etc just adds to the feel of the book. Having random decimal amounts that make no sense makes them weird to read.

Yes, it's completely ridiculous. Children grasp that money was different in the past without undue difficulty. (Why EB thought Black American soldiers talked about themselves in the third person and said things like 'Poor n----er, he afraid of the bad men, Little Missy!' is much harder to account for.)

It comes up in Antonia Forest's brilliant Marlow series, because although only about 18 months passes in the universe of the books, they were written between 1948 and 1982, and they are set when they were written, so you have extremely weird aspects you just have to accept, such as Ginty being claustrophobic because she was trapped in a cellar during the Blitz, but at the same time her younger sister is making herself up as a punk and people are watching Up Pompeii!! and complaining about Vatican II changes being implemented.

Gwenhwyfar · 02/04/2024 12:58

BronzeAge · 01/04/2024 22:12

I don’t think that’s true, actually, though I know a lot of UK viewers of the tv adaptation struggled with it because it would be more unlikely in the UK. Absolutely, it wouldn’t have been implausible for her to board, but neither is it at all implausible for her to attend the local school. I mean, I think there are reasons within the story to explain it, too, but I don’t think it really needs explaining.

@Riverlee — no, a deeply obscure one!

And I did start Connie Willis’s Blackout, and, even leaving aside the errors and anachronisms, it just didn’t really work as a novel, I thought.

Would it be unlikely in the UK? Only 7% go to private schools and most children go to their local school, don't they? They live in a small town...