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Inaccuracies in fiction

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HoppyHat · 01/04/2024 21:08

Do they bother you? I realise I am annoyed/disappointed by simple "mistakes" which surely a decent editor should notice?

A couple of examples

A very very popular novel. Set in modern day London. Character regularly gets the bus from A to B along a named road all of which exist in real life. But they don't use the correct bus number! Nothing bad happens on the bus, the driver isn't awful, nothing libellous. So why not use the correct bus number?

I've just finished a book which I really liked. The author is American. But part of the book is set in a posh English school in the 1950s. The headteacher calls the season following summer "Fall". And says (more than once) "you need to write your sister" (or similar) not write TO.

To me these things are so obvious and quite jarring. Anyone else?

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StartupRepair · 03/04/2024 09:42

Agree I always feel so let down by lazy mistakes. If the author can't remember the name or backstory of a minor character, why should I? And if you are setting your novel in a historical era, then fgs make the language accurate. And consistent within the book.

BandyMcBandface · 03/04/2024 09:28

Goodiewhemper · 03/04/2024 08:36

There is no link other than two
errors in the same chapter. Swallows don't nest in trees the it should have been 'two' not '2'.

The phrase about the village being 2 miles away wouldn’t bother me at all. It’s actually our corporate style that we write numbers as numbers so I’m used to it.

Magpiecomplex · 03/04/2024 09:25

Following on from the sheep apparently in a courtroom, I read a book ages ago in which crowds always disbursed. Can't remember the book unfortunately.

2mummies1baby · 03/04/2024 09:10

Goodiewhemper · 03/04/2024 08:36

There is no link other than two
errors in the same chapter. Swallows don't nest in trees the it should have been 'two' not '2'.

Swallows could perch on the branches of an oak tree though, surely?

I see your point about 'two'.

SheilaFentiman · 03/04/2024 09:06

CarolinaInTheMorning · 02/04/2024 00:28

I’ve heard Peter Wimsey complaining about a ‘garbage dump'.

And I think that this sort of translation is completely unnecessary. I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of Americans who read Dorothy Sayers have a basic knowledge of British English. Or can figure it out from context.

The corporation garbage dump, whilst punting, in Gaudy Night.

It is also in the kindle edition as that, so I actually assumed that was original. DLS was cohabiting with an American at some point, I think?

I will check my mum’s original print version when I’m next visiting 😀

Goodiewhemper · 03/04/2024 08:36

2mummies1baby · 03/04/2024 08:20

I don't understand the link?

There is no link other than two
errors in the same chapter. Swallows don't nest in trees the it should have been 'two' not '2'.

2mummies1baby · 03/04/2024 08:20

Goodiewhemper · 03/04/2024 06:32

Weyward has been mentioned a few times. I started it on Sunday and yesterday read "Kate shuts the front door and swallows burst from the old oak in the front garden." Two sentences later I find "The village is just 2 miles away." I haven't picked it up since.

I don't understand the link?

AtomicBlondeRose · 03/04/2024 07:59

I don’t really mind the “there’s no Waitrose there!” things - I mean, you’re reading fiction anyway. It’s stuff like an RAF pilot in the war saying “YOLO!!” that annoys me.

Even if an author meticulously researched a place, places change, buildings get knocked down…

SydneyCarton · 03/04/2024 07:16

@QueenCarrot Yes, that was what I had thought when referring to a shingle beach, that it was singular rather than plural. Also a short haircut from the twenties!

Plaintiff moans though Hmm

Goodiewhemper · 03/04/2024 06:32

Weyward has been mentioned a few times. I started it on Sunday and yesterday read "Kate shuts the front door and swallows burst from the old oak in the front garden." Two sentences later I find "The village is just 2 miles away." I haven't picked it up since.

HilaryThorpe · 03/04/2024 06:25

From my childhood in the fifties I remember a lot of older people who swam sidestroke, so could be that?
I also think garbage is plausible in the Wimsey text; 'you are talking utter garbage" has certainly been around a long time and the origin of the word is apparently Anglo-Norman French, though originally food waste.

TheFireflies · 03/04/2024 04:23

QueenCarrot · 03/04/2024 00:01

But then it would be shingle. Shingles is the disease. Or possibly roofing, though we would usually call them tiles in the UK.

We used to say “sitting on the shingles” or “up on the shingles” all the time round my way when I was a kid, we lived near Chesil beach. So I think it’s a common phrase.

QueenCarrot · 03/04/2024 00:01

TheFireflies · 02/04/2024 23:07

Obviously no excuse for the sheep unless it’s in a courtroom, but a shingle beach is another phrasing for a pebble beach so that’s not incorrect.

But then it would be shingle. Shingles is the disease. Or possibly roofing, though we would usually call them tiles in the UK.

TheFireflies · 02/04/2024 23:07

SydneyCarton · 02/04/2024 17:21

Ironically I’ve just started reading a book on the kindle app where the main character is freeing a sheep trapped in barbed wire who is “making sad plaintiff moans”…… He also walks down to the beach and sits “on the shingles” Hmm

Obviously no excuse for the sheep unless it’s in a courtroom, but a shingle beach is another phrasing for a pebble beach so that’s not incorrect.

Abouttimeforanamechange · 02/04/2024 22:35

An error that received alot of publicity was from Richard Osmans novel. He set a scene in Waitrose in Tunbridge Wells - it doesn’t have one!

But it ought to have! If you were going to suggest a supermarket where a stereotypical hypothetical Tunbridge Wells resident would shop, it would be Waitrose!

But errors like this are annoying when these things are so easily checked these days.

Saschka · 02/04/2024 22:35

Riverlee · 02/04/2024 22:29

An error that received alot of publicity was from Richard Osmans novel. He set a scene in Waitrose in Tunbridge Wells - it doesn’t have one!

There’s one in Tonbridge! Come on, that’s close enough Grin

Riverlee · 02/04/2024 22:29

An error that received alot of publicity was from Richard Osmans novel. He set a scene in Waitrose in Tunbridge Wells - it doesn’t have one!

DriveInSaturday · 02/04/2024 20:49

Treaclewell Maybe the ground squirrel that was used to make umpteen meals was related to the fabled Mumsnet chicken.

BandyMcBandface · 02/04/2024 20:45

I am definitely going to try it next time I’m in a pool and it’s relatively quiet

CharlotteStreetW1 · 02/04/2024 20:43

Old English backstroke sounds a lot more difficult than the version we currently have - not surprised it isn’t used any more

I actually use this stroke quite a lot. Just comes naturally to me. I realise I'm a bit of an outlier with this and DH always takes the piss. Ironically I represented our swimming club at backstroke (the modern one).

CharlotteStreetW1 · 02/04/2024 20:39

Bruisername · 02/04/2024 10:58

I think that’s the only way! You can base it on somewhere you know but tweak the names!!

I avoid books based where I live because it’s unlikely there won’t be something that irritates!!

Can't imagine anyone writing a book set in my town now (although I assumed Girl on a Train was my local trainline until she started naming towns which threw me).

Us Three by Ruth Jones was quite enjoyable until the story moved to Guildford and it was completely unlike the Guildford I'd lived in during the same period. No idea why she did that.

BandyMcBandface · 02/04/2024 19:47

JaninaDuszejko · 02/04/2024 19:45

The backstroke would have been old English backstroke with breaststroke legs and both arms turning together.

The crawl is very modern, the Native Americans did the crawl arms but I think the crawl legs came from the Australian Aborigines. And butterfly is the most modern and is a variation of the breaststroke.

Interesting!

Old English backstroke sounds a lot more difficult than the version we currently have - not surprised it isn’t used any more

JaninaDuszejko · 02/04/2024 19:45

The backstroke would have been old English backstroke with breaststroke legs and both arms turning together.

The crawl is very modern, the Native Americans did the crawl arms but I think the crawl legs came from the Australian Aborigines. And butterfly is the most modern and is a variation of the breaststroke.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 02/04/2024 18:59

Abouttimeforanamechange · 02/04/2024 14:59

And one novel set in the 16th century, in which a critical plot point depends on a characters arms being visible as he swims.

I think I might know who you're thinking of. (Don't want to say who, because of spoilers.) If it is him, he might well have met someone somewhere who'd seen it done around the coast of Africa or in the East Indies. A Portuguese sailor, perhaps.

Well, I learned something from this. I didn't know that the crawl was a relatively recent development in Europe. I remember from history that King Charles II swam in the Thames nearly every day for exercise. So he would have been doing the breaststroke or backstroke?

Pluvas · 02/04/2024 18:50

I just read a book where one character, who is a teacher in London tells her friends that to become a teacher she just needs basic gcse english and maths. It really annoyed me.