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Horribly let down by Rebecca

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MsAmerica · 12/03/2024 01:43

I love the Hitchcock movie of Rebecca, my second or third favorite Hitchcock, and I've always heard that the book was good, so when I recently came across a cheap copy, I bought it.

What a disappointment! Hated all the excessive description of greenery. Impatient at the overkill. But, worst, while the character of Max is slightly pleasanter than Olivier in the movie, the unnamed narrator is unbearable - a whiny, insecure bore.

Ugh!

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Everleigh13 · 18/03/2024 14:32

I absolutely love Rebecca, it’s one of my favourite books. I think it’s a really subversive novel that gets under your skin and I love how Rebecca cannot be contained even in death - the red in the sky at the end - she’s not going anywhere! It’s like a romance novel that is actually a horror story because all isn’t as it seems. (And I say that as somebody who loves romance novels, but Rebecca is almost a deconstruction of sexist attitudes at the time it was written).

The second Mrs DeWinter doesn’t even get a first name because she is essentially subsumed by her husband. At the end she is almost living a nightmare but I don’t blame her for it as she is incredibly insecure and lonely - a perfect victim for someone like Maxim.

tobee · 18/03/2024 14:15

No she did not commit suicide. De Winter and the girl get lucky when they go to see Dr Baker who says about the visit from Rebecca and says he had told her she had cancer. Thus giving Col Julian a reason to think Rebecca had committed suicide. When Favel and Mrs Danvers thought she wouldn't ever have done.

I think De Winter was feeling fatalistic at this time on the trip to see Dr Baker.

Illegally18 · 18/03/2024 11:00

SheerLucks · 18/03/2024 10:26

@Sockdolager thanks - no one's ever explained the novel fully to me.

The film was so disappointing - Armie Hammer was completely wooden and unthreatening.

Armie Hammer wooden? With him you have no feeling of 'old blood and breeding' and of being a tortured soul. With Jeremy Brett you had that in spades. Plus Lily Cole was far too pretty. Joanna David was excellent in giving you the feeling of a gauche, not particularly pretty young woman down on her luck, for whom de Winter must have been a godsend.

SheerLucks · 18/03/2024 10:26

@Sockdolager thanks - no one's ever explained the novel fully to me.

The film was so disappointing - Armie Hammer was completely wooden and unthreatening.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 18/03/2024 10:26

It's my favourite book. Especially the beginning, with the awful American woman and "the girl' being taken out for the day by Maxim. All the embarrassing comments by the AW, etc. There is such clever dialogue, the little put-downs, and the girl's insecurities... I love the bit where he asks her to marry him (sort of!). I've read it about half a dozen times and still find new things in it. Love some of the peripheral characters - they are so well described you really feel you know them. But I think DDM's skill in having the second Mrs DW writing at the beginning from the glittering Greek(?) sunshine making you want to be in rainy Cornwall is just wonderful.

Instantcustard · 18/03/2024 10:14

By the way, Rebecca seems to be on special offer for Kindle at the moment if anyone fancies rereading it off the back of this thread!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/03/2024 09:56

(Ireland was neutral too, but not a very welcoming place for the British at the time, I believe.)

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/03/2024 09:55

Or Sweden, Spain or Portugal. All neutral during WW2. Or they could have crossed the Atlantic and gone to the US or Canada, as some British people did. Far more likely, though, that Maxim would have wanted to join up or contribute to the war effort in any way he could (noblesse oblige) and so they would have gone back home.

Barbadossunset · 18/03/2024 09:28

What would happen to them when war broke out? Would Switzerland be the only safe European country for them to live in?

Sockdolager · 18/03/2024 09:24

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 18/03/2024 09:12

Though of course, we only have his word for any of this, or his claim that Rebecca was evil. The other two people who knew Rebecca well, Favell and Mrs Danvers, adored her and thought she was a free spirit who laughed at rules

Rebecca IMO is the sort of person people either adore or hate and there's no half measures. I can imagine she intimidated a lot of women and dazzled husbands like Giles, who she flirted with and made them feel like they were the man of her dreams.

That’s true that Bea is relieved ( if puzzled) that the second Mrs de Winter is a meek little girl, not an Amazonian seductress!

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 18/03/2024 09:12

Though of course, we only have his word for any of this, or his claim that Rebecca was evil. The other two people who knew Rebecca well, Favell and Mrs Danvers, adored her and thought she was a free spirit who laughed at rules

Rebecca IMO is the sort of person people either adore or hate and there's no half measures. I can imagine she intimidated a lot of women and dazzled husbands like Giles, who she flirted with and made them feel like they were the man of her dreams.

Sockdolager · 18/03/2024 09:08

SheerLucks · 18/03/2024 00:04

SPOILER ALERT!

But wasn't the ending that Rebecca committed suicide?

Or was that just the latest film??

The one with Armie Hammer? I only watched the first part, which was so wrong-headed it suggested whoever wrote the screenplay hadn’t understood the novel at all, so I never got to that part. I think all film adaptations I’ve seen have softened the depiction of Maxim cold-bloodedly shooting his pregnant wife, though, so we don’t then wonder why his sweet nonentity second wife helps cover it up.

The novel does suggest Rebecca, knowing she was dying, may have taunted Maxim to make him kill her, which again has the effect of absolving Maxim of responsibility and making a conveniently dead woman seem all-powerful and her murderer just another victim.

Though of course, we only have his word for any of this, or his claim that Rebecca was evil. The other two people who knew Rebecca well, Favell and Mrs Danvers, adored her and thought she was a free spirit who laughed at rules. The locals loved her. The only other living people who have negative memories of Rebecca are Ben, who has Down syndrome and an intellectual disability, and (kind of) Frank the estate manager, who seems to have resisted her seduction attempts and guesses the truth about the marriage and the murder.

Re the ending, I can absolutely see why living in a series of little continental hotels, listening to cricket and poring over the English papers, works dramatically as a kind of punishment/limbo, and is signalling the death of the English aristocratic/feudal way of life. It’s more that, in a novel that while it is part fairytale/Gothic novel, is also a realist country house novel, full of realist detail about servants, food, decor, estate management, there seems no particular reason why they can’t live in England, or at least make a permanent home in France or Italy, and have children to inherit.

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 18/03/2024 08:39

I always felt like she did commit suicide in a way by goading maxim to kill her, because she was going to die anyways and she wanted to bring him down.

theleafandnotthetree · 18/03/2024 07:49

SheerLucks · 18/03/2024 00:04

SPOILER ALERT!

But wasn't the ending that Rebecca committed suicide?

Or was that just the latest film??

The latest film was ludicrous, I dipped into it and it bore little resemblance to the source material..

SevenSeasOfRhye · 18/03/2024 07:43

I find the parallels with Jane Eyre interesting. I think the ending of Rebecca, with the de Winters trapped in a dull roaming life, is what would have happened to JE and Rochester if Jane had accepted Rochester's plea to run away with him after their wedding was prevented.

Barbadossunset · 18/03/2024 07:20

Rainydayinlondon · 18/03/2024 00:32

This is an interesting take...

I agree - very perceptive.

Barbadossunset · 18/03/2024 07:19

Frith showing the public about a few rooms in the house probably wouldn't cut it to run the house and estate these days even if National Trust.

Yes that’s true - though we don’t know anything about the extent of Maxim’s wealth. If Manderley relied solely on farming for income then that wouldn’t be enough, but there may have been other sources of income.

Rainydayinlondon · 18/03/2024 00:32

Instantcustard · 17/03/2024 13:46

I think being abroad could be seen as a type of limbo. They're not in hell but they are also not allowed to enjoy a heaven either. They are destined to roam forever!

This is an interesting take...

SheerLucks · 18/03/2024 00:04

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 12/03/2024 09:27

The 2nd Mrs is irritating but she's young and insecure with a deep inferiority complex before she meets Maxim - and older man who's used to having everything his way and people deferring to him. That's just reinforced when they get to Manderley and she has a very much second best bedroom.

I wonder about her at the end of the book - she's married to a man who she knows killed his wife. What goes through her head when she decides to stay with him?

Must read it again. Along with Frenchman's Creek.

SPOILER ALERT!

But wasn't the ending that Rebecca committed suicide?

Or was that just the latest film??

tobee · 17/03/2024 23:50

Sorry that's a bit poorly written but you get what I mean

tobee · 17/03/2024 23:44

Barbadossunset · 17/03/2024 16:33

Manderley is burnt, certainly, but why can’t they live in England — the land is still there, he’s still rich, they could restore/rebuild, or settle elsewhere etc. He can’t surely be at risk from the law with Rebecca’s suicide motive ‘proven’?

I wondered that. Also since he still owns the land presumably he is kept informed about what’s happening on the estate and he’d have to make some decisions about farming etc. Unless he sold it.

Yes I like not knowing all the practicalities though.

It's also interesting what Manderley represents in terms of the dying off of these kind of houses with families living there for centuries and how that changed most parts of the aristocracy and the history of the country. Frith showing the public about a few rooms in the house probably wouldn't cut it to run the house and estate these days even if National Trust.

SirChenjins · 17/03/2024 20:27
Confused
mikado1 · 17/03/2024 20:17

SirChenjins · 17/03/2024 16:51

Goodness - what did you say?!

I said I loved it and must reread it, that we loved it as 16yos in school and our teacher complained if we read on.

SirChenjins · 17/03/2024 16:51

Goodness - what did you say?!

mikado1 · 17/03/2024 16:41

No idea why my post has been hidden 🤔

I only said I loved it!