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Sweet Valley High, the books & the TV series

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Dustyblue · 01/01/2024 11:41

I was tempted to put this in the Telly section but this seemed better.

As a massive fan of the books (I have a few hundred of them... they're getting harder and harder to find in decent condition) I've watched many of the TV series episodes. Even though they butchered the books, I'm that much of a fan I kept watching 😁

The actors who played Elizabeth & Jessica, Brittany & Cynthia Daniels, are interviewed here years later. Wow, what a story... Francine Pascal herself didn't come up with this!

Brittany Daniel Had a Baby Using Her Twin Sister Cynthia's Donor Egg (people.com)

Brittany Daniel Reveals She Had a Baby Using Her Twin Sister Cynthia's Donor Egg

"We've always shared everything, so why not this?" says Cynthia Daniel, who donated an egg to her twin sister Brittany

https://people.com/parents/brittany-daniel-reveals-she-had-baby-using-twin-sister-cynthia-donor-egg/

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teddycoat · 11/01/2024 08:16

Loving this thread! Even back in the 90s I remember rolling my eyes a bit at the:

"perfect size 6 figures"
"blue green eyes the colour of the Pacific Ocean" blah blah blah, whilst their brother and dad of course were tall dark and handsome.

Dustyblue · 11/01/2024 08:12

@PaperSky This has made my day, or week! I did treat myself!

It may not work when it arrives, but at that price I'll take the risk happily 😎

Few other good ones on that site... many thanks

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newrubylane · 11/01/2024 08:05

Does anyone remember what the historical ones were called. I loved the one I had - mum's side. I only realised from this thread that there was a dad's side version too. These days I'm really into genealogy (and I'm now wondering if this book was part of the reason actually!), so I'd love to find copies.

Needmorelego · 11/01/2024 07:47

@isitjustmeme I think the suicide attempt was a mix of parental pressure and sexuality.
I might have to re-read again.

Needmorelego · 11/01/2024 07:46

@isitjustmeme I found the whole thing about using condoms (or sheath as they call it) was only about preventing pregnancy not STDs (Katherine goes on the pill so they can stop using them) and the only mention of STDs is a joke about "VD".
It's obviously "of it's time" (1975 when published) but other than a slight disclaimer at the beginning in modern editions about using condoms as well as the pill it's not really made clear that it's a book "set" in the 70s so for modern teens it's not great.
It's actually sad to think the friend who was gay is of the era that he possibly caught HIV/AIDS 🙁
The friend who gave up her baby was hardly a "woman" - she was a High Schooler.

SaladFingerz · 11/01/2024 07:43

I used to love these books. Also, the sweet valley twins series which came before when the twins were aged about 11.

I almost had the whole collection, I used to find them in charity shops as a kid for about 20p.

I was always more fascinated with the character Lila Fowler. She was Jessica's best friend, a very rich, spoilt little bitch who always used to get her own way! 😂

isitjustmeme · 11/01/2024 07:42

@papersky it was in tv years ago it wasn't very good

isitjustmeme · 11/01/2024 07:41

@Needmorelego sorry meant to add I thought the attempted suicide was due to his father's pressure on what school he attends? I remember a discussion about him being gay with her best friend but I thought he concluded he wasn't?

isitjustmeme · 11/01/2024 07:39

Needmorelego · 11/01/2024 07:27

@isitjustmeme I re read Forever a couple of years back and I didn't like it.
I realised that the characters didn't have any personality and I couldn't see what Katherine's attraction to Micheal was. We (the reader) didn't learn anything about him.
I hated the storyline of the friend who had a baby and gave her up for adoption. I found it heartbreaking but in the book everyone just seems to not give it a second thought. I vaguely remember there's one comment about how this friend (I can't remember her name right now) won't be able to graduate school with an "academic" diploma just an "attendance" one or something because she missed school by having a baby - and the characters seem to care more about that than this poor girl giving up her baby.
There was the subplot too of the male friend being depressed and trying to kill himself because he thought he was gay (this went completely over my head when I first read it as a teen). It takes up barely a chapter!
Looking at it now - as an adult - I think it's a terrible book about first romance.
I love all the other Judy Blume books - even though some do have parts that are dated - but the characters are wonderful.
And lets face it - if anyone found out their boyfriend called his penis Ralph they'd be starting one of those "I've got the ick" threads on here 😂

Fair enough. For me what stood out was the safety and consent around sex. It wasn't the typical boy pressuring a girl and the girl feeling pressured. But that somehow being okay because they 'love' each other. It showed a healthy relationship with upfront conversation about sex and protection. And that was in the seventies when these things were a lot more taboo.
The adoption storyline I guess it depends on your views on adoption. A woman made a choice and put herself first.
The attempted suicide highlighted the pressure teens can feel to leave up to expectations.

It probably didn't need the extras in though as yes it did sidetrack from the main plot of first sex/love and I agree it could have gone deeper into their relationship and them as people.
I think they just fancied each other. There wasn't much more depth to their relationship than that.

Needmorelego · 11/01/2024 07:27

@isitjustmeme I re read Forever a couple of years back and I didn't like it.
I realised that the characters didn't have any personality and I couldn't see what Katherine's attraction to Micheal was. We (the reader) didn't learn anything about him.
I hated the storyline of the friend who had a baby and gave her up for adoption. I found it heartbreaking but in the book everyone just seems to not give it a second thought. I vaguely remember there's one comment about how this friend (I can't remember her name right now) won't be able to graduate school with an "academic" diploma just an "attendance" one or something because she missed school by having a baby - and the characters seem to care more about that than this poor girl giving up her baby.
There was the subplot too of the male friend being depressed and trying to kill himself because he thought he was gay (this went completely over my head when I first read it as a teen). It takes up barely a chapter!
Looking at it now - as an adult - I think it's a terrible book about first romance.
I love all the other Judy Blume books - even though some do have parts that are dated - but the characters are wonderful.
And lets face it - if anyone found out their boyfriend called his penis Ralph they'd be starting one of those "I've got the ick" threads on here 😂

PaperSky · 11/01/2024 06:36

Dustyblue · 11/01/2024 05:55

We have similar tastes 😄expect for Point Horror. Couldn't get into those myself, but sold a few as a 2nd-hand bookseller, quite popular they were!

Forever is still a classic isn't it? There was a made-for-tv movie in 1978, but I've only ever found one 14-min clip of it.

I would pay good money to see the whole movie!

I would pay good money to see the whole movie!

Treat yourself OP!

https://www.modcinema.com/

modcinema*: Exploring 60's/70's culture through rare & hard to find films on DVD

https://www.modcinema.com/

Dustyblue · 11/01/2024 05:55

We have similar tastes 😄expect for Point Horror. Couldn't get into those myself, but sold a few as a 2nd-hand bookseller, quite popular they were!

Forever is still a classic isn't it? There was a made-for-tv movie in 1978, but I've only ever found one 14-min clip of it.

I would pay good money to see the whole movie!

Forever TV 1978 Stephanie Zimbalist, Dean Butler, John Friedrich

https://www.truetvmovies.net/store/c2/Drama.html For more Movies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCGL4bhmuow

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isitjustmeme · 11/01/2024 05:25

Loving this thread!

I loved
svh/d
The babysitter club
Judy Blume
Virginia Andrews
Point horror

I re read forever recently. It's still a great book and very relevant

CocoPlum · 10/01/2024 07:22

paulhollywoodshairgel · 07/01/2024 18:52

I remember the one where a serial killer comes to town and happens to look like the twins and tries to kill one so she can take over??

This was a whole miniseries which ended in The Evil Twin. It was a wild ride!

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 08/01/2024 09:55

Jemima Rooper was George in a Famous Five series. I always recognise her when she pops up in things for that reason!

Dustyblue · 07/01/2024 23:37

@Namechangeforthisthread45 Found it! Bless you my darling for thou art fabulous (bring on kiddo bedtime tonight) 😃

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Tintackedsea · 07/01/2024 20:16

AnnoyedByAlfieBear · 04/01/2024 10:23

There were historical versions too! One followed their dad's line back and the other followed their mums. All the characters had similar names and they were inter-twined with the main characters almost getting together but never did until the twins parents met. I loved those so much!

These were my favourite ones!

Dustyblue · 07/01/2024 20:02

Namechangeforthisthread45 · 07/01/2024 19:44

@Dustyblue Olivia is played by Jemima Rooper who is actually a really good British actress. I think I watched it on Paramount Plus which is a paid TV app; they have loads of the VA adaptions. The Dawn series has now been released too! You can discover those whilst I sink into SVH from Kindle Unlimited!

This is wonderful information. Thank you so much. I WILL find it somehow!!

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Namechangeforthisthread45 · 07/01/2024 19:44

@Dustyblue Olivia is played by Jemima Rooper who is actually a really good British actress. I think I watched it on Paramount Plus which is a paid TV app; they have loads of the VA adaptions. The Dawn series has now been released too! You can discover those whilst I sink into SVH from Kindle Unlimited!

paulhollywoodshairgel · 07/01/2024 18:52

I remember the one where a serial killer comes to town and happens to look like the twins and tries to kill one so she can take over??

Dustyblue · 07/01/2024 18:37

@Namechangeforthisthread45 Whoa-ho! I remember that book... that was a prequel to FITA, where Olivia marries Malcolm Foxwoth? And then his Dad turns up with a young bride... it's coming back to me...

That better be on Youtube... thanks so much!

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Namechangeforthisthread45 · 07/01/2024 17:54

@Dustyblue have you seen Garden of Shadows? It’s a four parter, higher quality than the other four films.

MermaidEyes · 07/01/2024 16:17

Some of these books are giving me a real blast from the past! I read Flowers in the Attic but don't remember the Heaven series. Unfortunately my girls have never been massively interested in a lot of my old books, despite trying to convince them many times that Judy Blume or the Nancy Drew series or SVH are quite excellent reading! One did read a couple of my Christopher Pike teenage horror books though.

Dustyblue · 07/01/2024 15:43

Namechangeforthisthread45 · 07/01/2024 15:33

I imagine some of you SV fans @Dustyblue and @MermaidEyes also read the Flowers in the Attic and Heaven books, as I also read the same bonkbusters as you. And I was reading them early and still reading the SV books late so I would have been reading them all from 13/14. Excited to know some of the SV books are on Kindle unlimited!

Hells Bells yes.

I have the books & the box set of 4 Dvds "Flowers in the Attic, Petals on the Wind, If There Be Thorns, Seeds of Yesterday". (Preens)

Heaven was bloody evil wasn't it? The mountain Father who gave away his children to the highest bidder and on it went for... how many books? I gave up after a while!

After Virginia Andrews died, her lovely family hired a ghostwriter and kept pumping out the books under V.C. Andrews. The Dawn series for example.

Sorry, I've taken this thread way off track! Fun though 😍

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Dustyblue · 07/01/2024 15:37

@MermaidEyes Hey Sis!

I like your daughter's name!! Both are classics.

I saved these back in the day, thinking if I ever have a daughter she can read them. Uhh, hmmm, perhaps not. I might have let her after I said a few pertinent words first! "It was a different time, and you should note that..."

I still love the 3 Faraway books... you're right, they do sort of lose their magic, especially when you're trying to convince the child "But we haven't made it to the Land of Take What You Want yet!" Or The Land of Birthdays, the Army of Red Goblins... she's damn good reading!

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