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New Year, New Fallen Woman: Elizabeth Gaskell's Ruth Readalong

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BishyBarnyBee · 28/12/2023 07:42

Following the very successful Madame Bovary readalong, we have decided to explore another woman who refused to be bound by contemporary mores.
So shocking at the time, two of Gaskell's friends burnt their copies.

"Elizabeth Gaskell's Ruth (1853) was the first mainstream novel to make a fallen woman its eponymous heroine. It is a remarkable story of love, of the sanctuary and tyranny of the family, and of the consequences of lies and deception, one that lays bare Victorian hypocrisy and sexual double-standards. Shocking to contemporary readers, its radical utopian vision of a pure woman faithfully presented predates Hardy's Tess by nearly forty years."

We will aim for two chapters a week - a weekend chapter and a mid week chapter. If I have time, I'll try and do a ChatGPT chapter summary, but anyone else is welcome to jump in if I haven't got there first.

We start 1st Jan, so if you are up for a bit of Victorian passion, guilt, regret and redemption, sign up here!

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 27/02/2024 21:06

Welcome @Rae36 good to hear you're enjoying the book!

Rae36 · 27/02/2024 21:00

Hello.
I've been listening rather than reading along and now I've slowed down a bit I'm really enjoying this book. I often start off on these read along threads but rarely keep going. This must be the furthest I've got ever.

I find these older books very slow. If I'd been reading I would have skipped past most of the chapter about Sally's stories because there's not much action compared to most of the hectic modern books I usually read. But I've taken my time with this one and I'm still here at chapter 17 which feels like an achievement!

I appreciate the chapter summaries because I often listen lying in bed and drop off to sleep and miss something.

I hope to get to the end of the book with you all

narniabusiness · 25/02/2024 16:45

I thought the same @Midnightstar76 We must both want a bit of financial security and stability for our Ruth.
I was very very cross with Thurston and his special christening prayers. If only he’d been C of E and had to stick to the Book of Common Prayer, then none of what we fear is about to happen would come to pass.

BishyBarnyBee · 25/02/2024 16:16

Midnightstar76 · 25/02/2024 14:04

Need to catch up with the thread as fell behind by a chapter but all caught up and up to date now. My thought’s are Mr Farquhar and Ruth would they get together rather than Miss Jemima. He could be a good match for Ruth.

Interesting....

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Midnightstar76 · 25/02/2024 14:05

Thanks @BishyBarnyBee great summary as always

Midnightstar76 · 25/02/2024 14:04

Need to catch up with the thread as fell behind by a chapter but all caught up and up to date now. My thought’s are Mr Farquhar and Ruth would they get together rather than Miss Jemima. He could be a good match for Ruth.

BishyBarnyBee · 25/02/2024 08:53

Chapter 17
In which we attend a christening and two tea parties, Jemima Bradshaw falls half in love with Ruth and Bradshaw's partner Farquhar is introduced as a potential suitor.

Ruth's youth, beauty and tragic circumstances have captivated Jemima Bradshaw, and she asks to attend Leonard's christening. The Bensons overcome their slight reservation about this friendship and welcome Jemima to the occasion. The circumstances of Leonard's birth give his christening a particular significance, which puzzles Jemima at the time, but will make sense to her many years later.

The Bradshaws are very conscious of the Benson's poverty, and Jemima is warned not to eat too much. The Bensons have scrimped together a celebratory tea, and there is an irony in the double self-sacrifice - hungry Jemima conscientiously refusing to eat while Miss Benson's spirits are dampened by the rejection of her hard-earned and delicious cakes. Afterwards, there is a chorus of praise for the warm-hearted and genuine Jemima, who compares favourably to her shallow and cowardly brother.

All the Bradshaws are drawn to Ruth's beauty and sweet nature. She and the Bensons spend many evenings in their luxuriously ugly home, where Mr Bradshaw gives them the benefit of his strongly held opinions on many subjects. We see how Bradshaw patronises Thurston but listens more respectfully to his partner, Farquhar. The ladies are not part of these important discussions, forming their own quiet tete-a-tetes, but Ruth observes the debate and draws her own conclusions, finding Farquhar quietly impressive and even likeable.

Afterwards Sally shares the gossip from Bradshaw's Betty - that Farquhar is "thinking of Miss Jemima". Miss Benson dismisses him as old enough to be her father, but Sally grumbles that "there's no need for it to be called nonsense, though he may be 10 years older". Ruth decides such a marriage would be very unlikely.

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BishyBarnyBee · 23/02/2024 12:01

@Tarahumara yes, Sally has a very strong sense of her own worth which is just lovely. I did wonder if there was a risk of Gaskell patronising her but I think on balance she's just a wonderfully drawn comic character who clearly plays a really important role in the household.

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Tarahumara · 23/02/2024 08:14

My favourite bit of the chapter is when Sally finishes her tale and sees that Ruth is asleep. Instead of feeling put out, as most of us might feel if we were telling the story of a proposal and our listener fell asleep, Sally's feeling is of satisfaction. "I thought I'd lost some of my gifts if I could not talk a body to sleep" - love that!

Also really interesting to hear the thoughts that several of you had about the link to present day mindfulness and ancient stoicism.

cassandre · 22/02/2024 11:30

I agree that BishyBarnyBee's reviews are virtuosic. Very insightful in selecting and drawing out the main points of each chapter! (Summary is in itself an act of interpretation...)

I was the one who was cross at Sally for chopping off Ruth's hair, but I have definitely warmed to her in this chapter. The detail about her being tempted by the pig is priceless 😂

I also really like the link to modern practices of mindfulness and living in the moment. This is a bit random, but the ancient Roman Stoics had a similar practice, which is also akin to modern mindfulness. It's remarkable to see these connections across centuries, in terms of humans trying to live out their lives and cope with being human.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 21/02/2024 20:16

Aw Buttalapasta. 'Thou'! That's lovely.

Buttalapasta · 21/02/2024 19:32

I think Gaskell's comic timing is perfect. This line actually made me laugh:

You're not the first chap as I've had down on his knees afore me, axing me to marry him (you see I were thinking of John Rawson, only I thought there were no need to say he were on all fours—it were truth he were on his knees, you know)
😂
I agree it's very visual. You can just imagine him scooting around on the chair and Sally claypiping his coat tails that are dragging on the floor. It's also a clever way of commenting on society's expectations of women. Rather than marry for security, Sally prefers her freedom! Good for her!

(As an aside, I love hearing her use thou - my great-grandfather used to call me thou. It gives me such a warm feeling).

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 21/02/2024 19:24

I was thinking as I was reading ShabanahFazal's post that the scene of Sally's proposal would have looked brilliant on stage.

ShabanahFazal · 21/02/2024 19:04

I absolutely loved this chapter because Sally is such a wonderfully funny, life-affirming character. I really enjoyed the hilarious comedy of her impatient cleaning round the Methodist Jeremiah Dixon whilst he’s praying, followed by his comic proposal to her. I was also amused by the subtler comedy of her almost being tempted by his offer of a wedding pig, despite her disapproval of Dissenters - though she makes an exception of course for her beloved master and mistress, who she conveniently decides aren’t really Dissenters, just Christians (as if they’re not). But ironically in another sense she’s right - they are truly charitable, ‘christian’ in word and deed.

She has the larger-than-life vitality of a Dickens character but the depth of a minor Austen one, as so much of her character complexity is revealed through her near-dramatic monologues. Either way, Gaskell is so good at this kind of psychological subtlety with her characters, that I wonder if she might have made a good playwright? I mean for example the way she builds Sally’s anecdotes to an entertaining climax, and how she rightly tells Dixon with his typically male arrogance where to shove his proposal and storms off, then wonders if she’s been as cruel to him as Barbara Allen in the folk song and has cut off her nose to spite her face, but finally squashes any lingering regret with the flattering thought that she’s had at least one proposal. Interesting comic parallel to Faith Benson, who also only had the one proposal, but Sally is so much more than comic relief. There’s such a rich, rounded and subtle mixture in her story of feistiness, pride, self-romanticisation, secret longing for genuine love and self-aware storytelling skill, and I laughed out loud at her ending her tale with a brilliantly vivid flourish:

“And for many a day I turned sick, when I heard the passing bell, for I thought it were the bell loud-knelling which were to break my heart wi' a sense of what I'd missed in saying 'No' to Jerry, and so killing him with cruelty. But in less than a three week, I heard parish bells a-ringing merrily for a wedding; and in the course of a morning, some one says to me, 'Hark! how the bells is ringing for Jerry Dixon's wedding!' And, all on a sudden, he changed back again from a heart-broken young fellow, like Jemmy Gray, into a stout, middle-aged man, ruddy-complexioned, with a wart on his left cheek like life!" Sally waited for some exclamation at the conclusion of her tale….”

I also loved her because she’s such a refreshing, no-nonsense practical contrast to the traumatised Ruth’s self-absorption at this point, and however harshly, does manage to knock some sense into her with tough love. Best of all, she has real depth and a similar stoic, outward-facing mindset to the Bensons. Hers is a more homespun unreflective wisdom, but spiritually profound in its own way when she urges Ruth to live every moment in the here and now, not dwell on the past or fear the future, by busying herself with activity and performing every mundane task with full concentration (something modern mindfulness also tells us is important for healing - glad you had exactly the same thought @BishyBarnyBee !). This is what makes the Bensons and Sally a spiritually unified household. I found this such a beautiful illustration of their moral groundedness and psychological stability, from Chapter 13 - all of which is critical for Ruth to be able to take the first step on her moral journey to redemption:

“ In the Bensons' house there was the same unconsciousness of individual merit, the same absence of introspection and analysis of motive, as there had been in her mother; but it seemed that their lives were pure and good, not merely from a lovely and beautiful nature, but from some law, the obedience to which was, of itself, harmonious peace, and which governed them almost implicitly, and with as little questioning on their part, as the glorious stars which haste not, rest not, in their eternal obedience. This household had many failings: they were but human, and, with all their loving desire to bring their lives into harmony with the will of God, they often erred and fell short; but, somehow, the very errors and faults of one individual served to call out higher excellences in another, and so they reacted upon each other, and the result of short discords was exceeding harmony and peace. But they had themselves no idea of the real state of things; they did not trouble themselves with marking their progress by self-examination; if Mr Benson did sometimes, in hours of sick incapacity for exertion, turn inwards, it was to cry aloud with almost morbid despair, "God be merciful to me a sinner!" But he strove to leave his life in the hands of God, and to forget himself.”

Please excuse typos / mistakes etc. I still can’t recover my full Kindle notes and can’t remember everything exactly- Ruth is now two completely different novels ago!

narniabusiness · 21/02/2024 14:35

An interesting thought about mindfulness @BishyBarnyBee to get through grief. I think you might have mentioned that MG was encouraged to write to help her after the loss of her child.

BishyBarnyBee · 21/02/2024 09:30

@narniabusiness thank you! This was a long chapter and I had to miss out some enjoyable snippets - love the humour in Sally's stories.

Yes, it's useful to go back to that chapter, I think at the time we talked about grooming.

I'm finding the ongoing references to living in the present really interesting. It's almost like Gaskell is advocating a kind of religious mindfulness - being in the present moment. But when Bellingham and Ruth were in the forest in Wales, Gaskell wrote about a different kind of being in the moment - Ruth was so happy when they were alone and living for the present, but became sad again when they returned to society and she was aware of her real position.

So it's a very specific emphasis on being with God in the present moment, which fits with what we've said about it being a heavily Christian book. Interesting to compare with the current mindfulness trend though.

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narniabusiness · 21/02/2024 08:57

You are brilliant at writing these summaries. They are not just useful, I really enjoy reading them.
I did like the story of the marriage proposals, and the pig. Makes you wonder what on earth the 7 dishes made from neck of lamb must have been like. I’m guessing not that great.
On the subject of what did Ruth know about sex, there is a paragraph on page 40 of my copy which addresses this issue in a suitably Victorian way of course. Her mother told her nothing as she died when Ruth was 12. MG says Ruth’s day dreams were not about Romantic love, just that Bellingham seemed kind and she had no one else who was kind to her. She felt slightly uneasy about going for a walk with him but can’t work out why it’s different from going for a walk with anyone else.
There’s no indication that the girls she worked with discussed sexual matters. I suspect they would have been dismissed if they did, given what happens when Ruth was seen with Mr B. So I’m reading it that Ruth had an feeling that going to London with Mr B was wrong but she didn’t know how wrong. Uneasy echos of recent grooming scandals.

BishyBarnyBee · 21/02/2024 07:53

Chapter 16
In which Ruth chooses a bedtime tale of two sweethearts over a tale of seven dishes, is told to pull herself together for the sake of her child - and does so.

When Ruth struggles to sleep, Sally ("a rare hand at talking folks to sleep") offers her a choice of stories: a fairy story, a love story, or (Sally's favourite) the story of her proudest culinary achievement, when she conjured seven different courses from a neck of lamb to entertain Miss Faith's sweetheart. We learn in passing that Faith has rejected an offer of marriage because she could never leave Thurston, before moving to the big story of the chapter: Sally's own sweethearts.

Sally thinks she has missed her only chance (the madman John Rawson) and assumes Jeremiah has come to pray. On her knees, she tries to pipeclay the floor behind him, but wherever she goes he is behind her, his chair clasped to his backside like a snail with its shell.

When he spells out his proposal, her first instinct is to laugh, and then he blows his chances telling her she will never get a better offer. "My first thoughts, second thoughts and third thoughts is all one and the same; you've but tempted me once and that was when you spoke of your pig".

Kindhearted Sally worries about Jerry pining away and her heart aches with the sense of what she might have missed. But his hasty marriage 3 weeks later turns him back from tragic hero to a warty middle aged man. She settles for contented singledom but with the satisfaction of being a woman who was asked twice.

Ruth gratefully settles in with the Bensons but is still given to trains of languid and tearful reverie. This both concerns and infuriates Sally and Faith, and Sally give Ruth a forceful piece of her mind. She shares that she was so overcome with guilt after dropping baby Thurstan, she did her work very badly, and had to be told to worry less about the state of her soul and more about the state of the pudding.

Her oration hits home and Ruth throws herself into motherhood, duty and her own education, "learning neither to look backwards nor forwards, but to live faithfully and earnestly in the present".

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ShabanahFazal · 19/02/2024 17:11

referred! Apologies for typos. So annoying not to be able to edit! This time I wasn’t even allowed one edit - seems inconsistent?

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 19/02/2024 15:04

TheWriteStuff · 19/02/2024 14:52

Ah - but Faith only thought of the ring because Sally kept trying to see Ruth's left hand. So, it WAS Sally (indirectly) that helped illustrate the flaws in their lies.

I knew there was an intelligent thought in there somewhere ;)

Thanks 😄

ShabanahFazal · 19/02/2024 14:55

When I refered earlier to Gaskell’s worst, overly religiose writing, I was thinking of examples like this, on the birth of the baby, designed to mask her moral squeamishness about having to mention it at all:

The earth was still "hiding her guilty front with innocent snow," when a little baby was laid - yes, we know why she’s using such horribly judgemental symbolism here but it’s still hard to read now in 2024.

Then this this mawkish apostrophe to the baby….
Little child! thy angel was with God, and drew her nearer and nearer to Him, whose face is continually beheld by the angels of little children.

And emphatic references to the baby as some kind of Immaculate Conception (as others have noted, the sex that led to this was skated over…) of a sacred, unearthly being:

her mysterious holy child

Almost a portrait of the Virgin Mary and the baby Jesus, which ignores the mess, fatigue and effort of giving birth to a scrawny, demanding and wailing creature.

TheWriteStuff · 19/02/2024 14:52

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 19/02/2024 13:46

Sally also put a wedding ring on Ruth's finger, which Faith hadn't thought of.
They weren't going to fool anybody without Sally's assistance!

Edit: Oh no she didn't! That was Faith, sorry!

Edited

Ah - but Faith only thought of the ring because Sally kept trying to see Ruth's left hand. So, it WAS Sally (indirectly) that helped illustrate the flaws in their lies.

ShabanahFazal · 19/02/2024 14:42

TheWriteStuff · 19/02/2024 13:38

I agree about keeping her hair. In fact, even while cutting it Sally doesn't wonder if she's not acted too hasty.

I don't see the cutting as something designed to punish Ruth. More that she is trying hard to protect the Benson's from anyone doubting Ruth's story. She perhaps seems a bit more representative of working class people and therefore, I trust her judgement of how they will view Ruth a bit more than I trust Mr Benson's - because he seems so idealistic. And his sister is led by him. So I kind of see them both as a bit out of touch.

I also gree with the way Ruth, who originally seemed a little spirited, is becoming more and more passive. I hope she's going to find a littlle fight back in her before we're done.

She is still very young and in a totally new environment as well as a new moral landscape. Hopefully as she settles, she will come out of herself and grow in confidence.

Good point about protecting the Benson’s story. I also think that all the women in this society that divides them into either madonnas or whores, she acts decisively in a way that marks a clear difference for others to see between her, a church-going honest woman, and Ruth, the fallen woman. Sally is a proud woman and very conscious of her moral status in an changing society where a self-made man is seen as the chief congregant in her church; note the pride she feels in dressing smartly for it. There may also for the same class and status reasons, be a subtle element of power play in the way she initially treats Ruth, who is after all intruding on a domestic set-up in which Sally has special trusted status as more than just a servant: she’s been surrogate mother to Benson and maybe wants Ruth to realise she can’t suddenly arrive and enjoy adopted daughter status without starting first at the bottom.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 19/02/2024 13:46

Sally also put a wedding ring on Ruth's finger, which Faith hadn't thought of.
They weren't going to fool anybody without Sally's assistance!

Edit: Oh no she didn't! That was Faith, sorry!

TheWriteStuff · 19/02/2024 13:38

I agree about keeping her hair. In fact, even while cutting it Sally doesn't wonder if she's not acted too hasty.

I don't see the cutting as something designed to punish Ruth. More that she is trying hard to protect the Benson's from anyone doubting Ruth's story. She perhaps seems a bit more representative of working class people and therefore, I trust her judgement of how they will view Ruth a bit more than I trust Mr Benson's - because he seems so idealistic. And his sister is led by him. So I kind of see them both as a bit out of touch.

I also gree with the way Ruth, who originally seemed a little spirited, is becoming more and more passive. I hope she's going to find a littlle fight back in her before we're done.

She is still very young and in a totally new environment as well as a new moral landscape. Hopefully as she settles, she will come out of herself and grow in confidence.

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