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New Year, New Fallen Woman: Elizabeth Gaskell's Ruth Readalong

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BishyBarnyBee · 28/12/2023 07:42

Following the very successful Madame Bovary readalong, we have decided to explore another woman who refused to be bound by contemporary mores.
So shocking at the time, two of Gaskell's friends burnt their copies.

"Elizabeth Gaskell's Ruth (1853) was the first mainstream novel to make a fallen woman its eponymous heroine. It is a remarkable story of love, of the sanctuary and tyranny of the family, and of the consequences of lies and deception, one that lays bare Victorian hypocrisy and sexual double-standards. Shocking to contemporary readers, its radical utopian vision of a pure woman faithfully presented predates Hardy's Tess by nearly forty years."

We will aim for two chapters a week - a weekend chapter and a mid week chapter. If I have time, I'll try and do a ChatGPT chapter summary, but anyone else is welcome to jump in if I haven't got there first.

We start 1st Jan, so if you are up for a bit of Victorian passion, guilt, regret and redemption, sign up here!

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StColumbofNavron · 03/03/2024 16:28

I’m still here - looks like I’m only 2 chapters behind as on chapter 15. I’ve been reading in chunks which I am finding easier. Will be back with thoughts and catch up once done.

Piggywaspushed · 03/03/2024 14:47

I've read all the others . I liked North and South the best but also Wives and Daughters. Mary Barton is really interesting in being seen through the lens of the Manchester working classes in tumultuous times.

Sadik · 03/03/2024 14:16

" Anyway, I like Gaskell although I'm wondering if I would like her other books better."
I think likely so @FuzzyCaoraDhubh - Ruth is definitely one of her lesser known books for a reason. I'd suggest North and South as a good one to try if you fancied reading something else of hers. ( Though Cranford is definitely the one to go for if Sally is your favourite character, but doesn't have much plot. Good as a bedside book though, it's very gentle.)

narniabusiness · 03/03/2024 13:48

I’m really enjoying it but I did start the book later than you and I have read ahead. I’m basically on a chapter a day. If I read slower than that I find that many books turn into a slog.
The moralising does get too much for me too though.

Buttalapasta · 03/03/2024 11:43

I must say I think I would already have given up on this book if it weren't for the insightful and engaging comments from fellow Ruth-readers!

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 03/03/2024 11:03

Morning all! Yes. I was at risk of developing a bit of Swivel-Eye at the cleanliness of this godly home. We know already.

I enjoyed the repartee between Faith and Sally and can relate to it but was inwardly laughing at how she really didn't notice her greying hair. She is too absorbed in keeping her house immaculate of course. Although housework was a real chore then.

I'm disappointed in Thurstan. I didn't think he would go so far as to whip the boy. It seems harsh.

I miss Ruth's high-spirited nature that we had in the first part of the book. There seems to be no connection between these parts. It's poles apart as Ruth is living a completely different life. Anyway, I like Gaskell although I'm wondering if I would like her other books better. I'm reading Dickens too and agree with Piggy that there is lots of humour in Nicholas. It's good fun.

Piggywaspushed · 03/03/2024 10:30

Oh no, it's 1000000000 times better . Because he's funny!

BishyBarnyBee · 03/03/2024 10:27

Piggywaspushed · 03/03/2024 09:31

It probably doesn't help that I am reading Dickens at the same time.

And finding it better? Or just too much plodding through Victorian sentimentalism?

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Piggywaspushed · 03/03/2024 09:31

It probably doesn't help that I am reading Dickens at the same time.

BishyBarnyBee · 03/03/2024 09:18

@Piggywaspushed we cross posted but obviously having similar thoughts. Sorry you're finding it a bit of a slog.

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BishyBarnyBee · 03/03/2024 09:15

My Kindle is saying we're at 48%, so I reckon we're about half way through if you disregard the introduction, and everything is pretty peachy for Ruth. For now....

Anyone else giving an eye-roll at more description of the perfectly economical, threadbare but dainty home? Not sure why it winds me up, perhaps it's the "deserving poor" cliche, but I feel like - yes, we get it, these are the good guys!

But for a chapter which is basically saying "they all got older and things are going well", it's very readable and there are some well observed scenes.

Thurstan preparing the laburnum switch to beat Leonard while Faith, having got her way, back tracked, and Sally sorted them all out was well written, as was the reveal of Richard's sneaky character. And some of us will recognise the mismatch between how Faith feels and what she sees in the mirror - my mum is always saying she feels 20 inside.

How are you all feeling about it half way through? Are we wishing we'd found a a slightly less repentant fallen woman? It hasn't been at all what I expected, but I have enjoyed it so far.

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Piggywaspushed · 03/03/2024 09:01

This chapter was a bit odd. I am sure Gaskell is setting up things to come but she ends the chapter 'and then more months and years passed' or words to that effect.

It's like she hadn't learnt how to leave bits out yet.

This book does really need to rev up now : we are nearly halfway through. The beginning was so engaging but the 'fun' characters have gone (Sally aside ) and everyone seems so repressed and moral and dull. This is very different from other Gaskells so I guess she may have learnt her craft more and perhaps seen more in her own life.

Sad to say, I am finding myself force reading .

BishyBarnyBee · 03/03/2024 08:45

Chapter 19

In which days turn into years as the four loving adults work out how to raise their beloved Leonard while Mr Bradshaw knows a great deal about the principles of righteous parenting but rather less about the nature of his own children.

Six years have passed and Leonard is a tall and noble child with the same unusual beauty and intelligence that distinguishes his mother. None of the four adults has raised a child before and their desire to do the best for little Leonard leads to an intensity which is not always helpful.

When Leonard goes through a phase of lying and exaggerating, the adults determine he must be whipped for his own good, but no-one wants to go through with it. Ruth weeps, Faith changes her mind, Thurstan girds himself to do the right thing but Sally again gets her own way, outdoing Thurstan in a battle of Bible quotes and tartly reminding him that the whole household is built on a lie. Ruth's distress at the idea of the punishment has a chastening effect on young Leonard and he promises to be good in the future.

Faith is shocked to catch sight of herself and see an old woman with white hair, when inside she feels as young as ever. Sally has no time for this and berates her for "calling yoursel' an old woman when you're better than ten years younger than me!" Sally is unchanged by the passage of time and works as hard as ever. She will not be drawn on her actual age, saying only that she will never see 30 again.

The house is still poor but perfectly refined in a simple but lovely way - which can also be said of Ruth. The love and teachings of the household have turned her into a dignified and spiritual beauty, and she could hold her own among the most educated and elevated in the land.

She is much appreciated by her employer Bradshaw, the formidable businessman who judges all by his own standards and has no tolerance for weakness or failure. Bradshaw believes he runs an exemplary household, but we see he has blind spots. His family's fear of his disapproval leads them to hide their true natures. His wife is not as firm as he would like her to be, and murmurs about him behind his back. Jemima sees this and thinks her mother weak and dishonest but Jemima hides her own temper and wilfulness so he rarely sees the worst of his family.

Only Jemima knows that son Richard has inherited his father's judgementalism without his probity. Richard condescendingly boasts about his visit to the theatre then backtracks to warn her she need not mention it. She is surprised and a little disgusted to then hear him curry favour with their father by criticising another young man for playgoing.

But Ruth has little to do with Richard and this is a peaceful interlude for her, both at work and in the happy household with Leonard.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/03/2024 13:31

BishyBarnyBee · 01/03/2024 13:29

What - not tempted by 7 different courses from one neck of lamb?

Not entirely 😂

BishyBarnyBee · 01/03/2024 13:29

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/03/2024 12:45

I'm not sure I'd put her in charge of the catering though @Midnightstar76 😁

What - not tempted by 7 different courses from one neck of lamb?

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/03/2024 12:45

I'm not sure I'd put her in charge of the catering though @Midnightstar76 😁

Midnightstar76 · 01/03/2024 12:39

Ha ha Sally would indeed be fab at a party, such a character @FuzzyCaoraDhubh

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/03/2024 10:07

I like the sound of your step-granny @BishyBarnyBee Good woman herself!

I think Sally would be great to have at a party :)

BishyBarnyBee · 01/03/2024 10:00

narniabusiness · 28/02/2024 23:02

I feel that maybe Sally’s savings will be called upon once Ruth’s past comes out. Do we think all Mrs G’s hints of doom to come are necessary? I wonder why she felt the need to include them.

Interesting question, @narniabusiness. I quite like hearing Mrs G's voice as it feels like a link to an interesting and brave 19th C woman. But it is basically spoilers, isn't it? It feels as though a political and religious tract is jostling with a Romantic Novel, and the Victorian religious voice wants to draw our attention to the power of goodness, whereas here in the 21st C we're more interested in the ripping yarn!

@FuzzyCaoraDhubh@Midnightstar76 yes, Sally has turned out to be a wonderful character. She's a working class woman being written for comic effect by a middle class author, which could potentially patronising, but I do feel she gives as good as she gets. I love that she has such a strong sense of her own power and is not going to let any of these men - the earnest Thurstan or the clumsy suitor - get the better or her.

She reminds me of my step granny, a war time Lancashire mill worker who looked after her parents until her 50s, had a short but happy marriage to my widowed grandfather, then led a contentedly single life for the rest of her days. She had opinions aplenty and knew how to indulge in small pleasures on a limited budget - Baileys, scones and smoked salmon scraps come to mind. My mum used to say darkly "She'll never remarry now she's got his pension" but I always thought she had the single life absolutely sussed. I think she would have a lot in common with Sally!

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Midnightstar76 · 29/02/2024 10:34

I am warming to Sally more and more and what a wonderful thing to give back her savings to Thurston. Not sure her intention is good will though but a matter of saying humph I told you so, you can’t raise my wages and get away with it which seems utter madness in the way she thinks. Enjoy the wage Sally and spend on yourself. I agree and predict this money may well go towards Ruth if this all blows up as it may do.

I like all the talk of spring at the beginning as personally I can’t wait for the warmer weather. It’s just been rain, rain rain here in the NW!

narniabusiness · 28/02/2024 23:02

I feel that maybe Sally’s savings will be called upon once Ruth’s past comes out. Do we think all Mrs G’s hints of doom to come are necessary? I wonder why she felt the need to include them.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 28/02/2024 21:42

Thank you @BishyBarnyBee !

This is a pivotal chapter as there will be repercussions later on following this decision (cue ominous music...)

Once again, Sally's stories
provide much-needed light relief. She really is a gem.

BishyBarnyBee · 28/02/2024 21:31

Chapter 18
In which Sally procures some satisfyingly magniloquent words for the satisfaction of teaching Thurstan a lesson, Ruth's offer of congenial employment brings dark clouds on the horizon, but we are promised a happy ending.

Ruth's love of Leonard and her own education bring unforseen happiness and she becomes closer to Sally. Over tea, Sally recalls the golden age of her childhood when butter was cheap and people paid their debts, bemoaning the unseemly degeneracy that is the early 19th Century.

Sally confides that the Bensons think they have given her a pay rise, but she has outwitted them by commissioning a will which leaves all her savings to Thurstan.

Determined to have a good lawyerly will, like the heiress she know herself to be, she pays for parchment, then gives sixpence for every good law-word, considering "testatrix" and "accruing" to be particularly good value.

The prospect of Thurstan being "prettily taken in" when he finds his extra wage given back to him gives her great satisfaction: "it will teach him it's not so easy as he thinks for, to make a woman give up her way".

Now Leonard is weaned, Ruth must earn a living, and fortuitously, the Bradshaws offer her the role of nursery governess. Miss Benson thinks the opportunity perfect, Ruth questions whether she is worthy, and Thurston believes they should tell Bradshaw the truth about Ruth's past. Again, Faith's pragmatism triumphs over Thurston's scruples, and they agree no good can come of exposing Ruth's dark past.

In Chapter 11, Gaskell warned that the decision to pass Ruth off as a widow had turned the hand of fate the wrong way. Now she tells us the scroll of Fate is closed and an ominous future lies ahead - but the chapter ends with a consoling hint of smiles to follow sadness.

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RufustheFactualReindeer · 28/02/2024 08:44

I have found them useful, so much so that my book club is starting the ruth readalong, first discussion is in march, and i will be using this thread as there are so many insightful comments

BishyBarnyBee · 28/02/2024 06:51

Rae36 · 27/02/2024 21:00

Hello.
I've been listening rather than reading along and now I've slowed down a bit I'm really enjoying this book. I often start off on these read along threads but rarely keep going. This must be the furthest I've got ever.

I find these older books very slow. If I'd been reading I would have skipped past most of the chapter about Sally's stories because there's not much action compared to most of the hectic modern books I usually read. But I've taken my time with this one and I'm still here at chapter 17 which feels like an achievement!

I appreciate the chapter summaries because I often listen lying in bed and drop off to sleep and miss something.

I hope to get to the end of the book with you all

I've never stuck with a readalong consistently either - so it was a bit of a risk offering to lead this one! I think you get loads out of them even if you lurk and chip in occasionally, so you are very welcome to post as often or as little as works for you.

I've found Sally's stories a bit of light relief from all the sombre moralising. It is quite slow, isn't it? Very different to my normal reading pace when I rush along and skim the boring bits. But weirdly, doing the chapter summaries has forced me to focus and slow down, and I've really enjoyed it. I'm glad you've found them useful.

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