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New Year, New Fallen Woman: Elizabeth Gaskell's Ruth Readalong

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BishyBarnyBee · 28/12/2023 07:42

Following the very successful Madame Bovary readalong, we have decided to explore another woman who refused to be bound by contemporary mores.
So shocking at the time, two of Gaskell's friends burnt their copies.

"Elizabeth Gaskell's Ruth (1853) was the first mainstream novel to make a fallen woman its eponymous heroine. It is a remarkable story of love, of the sanctuary and tyranny of the family, and of the consequences of lies and deception, one that lays bare Victorian hypocrisy and sexual double-standards. Shocking to contemporary readers, its radical utopian vision of a pure woman faithfully presented predates Hardy's Tess by nearly forty years."

We will aim for two chapters a week - a weekend chapter and a mid week chapter. If I have time, I'll try and do a ChatGPT chapter summary, but anyone else is welcome to jump in if I haven't got there first.

We start 1st Jan, so if you are up for a bit of Victorian passion, guilt, regret and redemption, sign up here!

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StColumbofNavron · 14/04/2024 21:00

Oh gosh, no I don’t think it was my thing 🤣. Either way, I’m very happy for you or anyone else who wants to.

TerryWoganFanGirl · 14/04/2024 20:14

I’d like to try an epistolary novel so I am up for it.

BishyBarnyBee · 14/04/2024 19:29

StColumbofNavron · 14/04/2024 14:20

I’m in.

@StColumbofNavron I think you set up the Madame Bovary and Anna Karenina readalongs? Do you want to do DL or shall I carry on? I'm happy either way but don't want to barge in if this was your thing and I've just taken over. I can't quite remember how it came about that I was doing this one!!

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StColumbofNavron · 14/04/2024 14:20

I’m in.

Tarahumara · 14/04/2024 10:52

I'm up for another readalong. Dangerous Liaisons sounds good to me!

Sadik · 14/04/2024 10:49

I've read ahead & finished now, so keeping quiet until we get to the end :)

I'm potentially up for another readalong, & happy for it to be Dangerous Liaisons. I'm unlikely to be very active on the thread though as (hopefully, assuming it ever stops raining for more than a day!) I'm heading into my busy time of year at work.

keeganface · 13/04/2024 17:14

I've been following on and keeping up although I haven't commented. Another read along would be great. The chapter summaries have really helped to clarify what we've read.

Happy to go with the majority for the next book. Thankyou for the work you have put in.

BishyBarnyBee · 12/04/2024 21:33

Chapter 31

In which Bradshaw turns his face away from his disgraced son until a catastrophic coach accident forces him to show his true feelings.

Mrs Bradshaw makes an early morning call begging Benson not to prosecute Richard. She offers him her life savings and says that if she has to choose between her husband and her son, she chooses her son, for he will have no friends unless she is with him. Benson reassures her he has no intention of prosecuting.

Farquhar visits Bradshaw, who bans him from the house because he will not give up Dick as utterly bad. Bradshaw shakes like a leaf while asserting that he has no feelings for Dick. For Jemima's sake, Farquhar goes after Richard, hoping to find him some honest occupation to save him from temptation.

A few days later he writes that he has found Richard who has been severely injured in a coach crash. Benson breaks the news to Bradshaw, whose pretence at indifference is shattered as he collapses in a swoonlike fit - a broken man, slack-jawed and eyes glazed. The doctor is summoned and prescribes rest, but as he leaves, Bradshaw makes an enormous effort to rise and asks plaintively "He is alive, sir, is he not?"

Benson, almost unable to speak through his tears, answers that Farquhar is with him and he is only hurt. Bradshaw puts his hands together in the clasped attitude of prayer and says "Thank God!".

(An early chapter 31 as we are away so I won't be able to do it over the weekend)

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BishyBarnyBee · 12/04/2024 20:02

My copy says 36 chapters and this was 30, so 6 chapters left. I take that as meaning we will finish on 2nd May, does that seem about right?

How are we all feeling about another readalong? I've enjoyed leading my first one, though it has been a bit quiet at times, perhaps because some sections of the book are quite...dull!

We seemed to be leaning towards Dangerous Liaisons, a letter a day. Schmoop chapter summaries are available which is helpful. Do we have enough interest to continue with the Fallen Women theme or is it time for a break/something completely different?

Any thoughts, fellow readers?

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StColumbofNavron · 12/04/2024 10:41

I think I sort of nodded off in parts (a week of headaches and migraines rather than the book I think) so I got the overall picture but didn’t read too into it, other than wishing Benson prosecuted the shit. He has only ever done good and then this happens.

I have finished - I’ve got to tell you, it’s taking every single fibre of my being not to comment, but looking forward to the discussion.

Are there 3 chapters ish left? So next Sunday?

Piggywaspushed · 12/04/2024 07:35

Yes, I guess Tichard would have been so foreground earlier if he wasn't going to be a plot device. I had been wondering when he would dissipate his way back in!

cassandre · 11/04/2024 23:53

Piggywaspushed · 04/04/2024 09:23

I have a feminist question - please don't be offended anyone!

Are we meant to call her Elizabeth Gaskell now? I think we aren't supposed to say Mrs (defined by her DH and all that...)

When I was at uni the Penguin books all said Mrs on the front, now they say Elizabeth.

Of course Mrs is easier to type!

Sorry, I know I'm replying to this very belatedly, but yes, academic scholars now would certainly say Elizabeth Gaskell or Gaskell: no Mrs!

But given that she published as 'Mrs Gaskell', I can see why that title seems familiar in her case.

I've just been reading a series of novels written in the 60s and set in the 40s (Olivia Manning's Balkan Trilogy), and I was interested to see that the characters (some of whom are lecturers in English literature) consistently refer to 'Miss Austen'. But the male writers they lecture on are referred to by surname alone (eg Conrad and Tennyson).

I've also read some old-fashioned academic works (early 20th c. I think?) where women writers are referred to by first names. So a critic will refer to Louise Labe (one of my favourite French poets) as Louise, but to Pierre de Ronsard as Ronsard. Ugh. I suppose it was standard practice at the time, but it was very sexist.

cassandre · 11/04/2024 23:40

Thanks for another fab summary, Bishy. Yes, Bradshaw is awful; nothing will ever be his fault. One might think that the shock of his son's crime would shake him out of his usual complacency, but instead it seems to make him double down on the rightness of his own views.

I do recall Richard being set up as a bit of a wrong'un earlier in the novel.

This is a minor point, but I was disappointed in Ruth for turning down the offer of formal schooling for Leonard: She could see no advantages that would counterbalance the evil which she dreaded from any school for Leonard; namely, that the good opinion and regard of the world would assume too high an importance in his eyes. I think she's taking anti-worldliness too far here! Poor kid.

narniabusiness · 11/04/2024 15:10

I don’t recall any preachiness in the book. It makes it obvious why well brought up young Englishwomen were forbidden to read French novels. (Madame Bovery likewise). 😀
This was an enjoyable chapter plot wise. Gasp at Richard’s misdeed and sigh as Bradshaws pomposity is punctured.

BishyBarnyBee · 11/04/2024 13:43

vrendtop · 11/04/2024 10:45

I’m not going to read along, as Ruth has always annoyed me (though I like lots of other Gaskells), but I just wanted to admire your thread title.

Thank you! I think most of us have found Ruth quite annoying and some of us have looked back with fondness at the oblivious selfishness of Madame Bovary, our last fallen woman.

We might go for Dangerous Liaisons next time, which I haven't read but understand might be less preachy - or at least, have a higher percentage of outrageous behaviour for us to be enjoyably indignant about!

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vrendtop · 11/04/2024 10:45

I’m not going to read along, as Ruth has always annoyed me (though I like lots of other Gaskells), but I just wanted to admire your thread title.

BishyBarnyBee · 11/04/2024 10:44

Ah, just spotted the typo in the chapter heading. Incontrovertible, not inconvertible, which means something completely different. That'll teach me to try to use big words in an attempt to sound vaguely Victorian.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 11/04/2024 09:56

This was a riveting chapter and your summary is excellent @BishyBarnyBee I agree with you about Gaskell calling out religious hypocrisy. Bradshaw is such a stupid, stubborn, short-sighted man. I was feeling sorry for him until he made that remark to Benson. It really takes the biscuit. I don't think he even apologised to Benson for his son's crime?

Tarahumara · 11/04/2024 08:41

Bradshaw's son has stolen Benson's money and this is somehow Benson's fault?!

BishyBarnyBee · 11/04/2024 08:18

Tarahumara · 11/04/2024 07:18

I agree that his parting shot was a very mean thing to say in the circumstances. I had to read it twice because I thought I might have got it the wrong way around!

Yes, I was outraged. I've tried to keep commentary out of the summaries but it was hard not to comment there!

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Tarahumara · 11/04/2024 07:18

I agree that his parting shot was a very mean thing to say in the circumstances. I had to read it twice because I thought I might have got it the wrong way around!

BishyBarnyBee · 11/04/2024 06:52

ChessieFL · 11/04/2024 04:27

I found this a very exciting chapter! I don’t know how Richard ever thought he would get away with it though.

Yes, and Bradshaw's insistence that he has never knowingly done wrong, then his parting shot that it is all the fault of sentimentalists like Benson!

Gaskell is really laying into the hypocrisy of the establishment here - Bellingham was spoiled by his mother's indulgence and Richard has been spoiled by his father's self-righteousness and lack of true Christian charity. The whole book is a plea for Christians of the time to engage in a little less judgement and a little more self-reflection.

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ChessieFL · 11/04/2024 04:27

I found this a very exciting chapter! I don’t know how Richard ever thought he would get away with it though.

BishyBarnyBee · 10/04/2024 20:49

Chapter 30

In which inconvertible evidence of Richard's duplicity leads Bradshaw to cut off his most beloved child.

Ruth settles in to her new role as a sick nurse, first with the poor and as her reputation spreads, more widely. Her quiet, tender care is renowned throughout the town and even the roughest boys respect her.

The years pass and one day Walter asks if he can pay for Leonard's schooling. While he is there, Benson asks him to chase up an outstanding bonus on shares bought for him by Bradshaw.

Bradshaw is bemused when the Insurance Company write to say there was no bonus because the shares were sold over 12 months ago. He tells Farquhar that Benson must be confused, belittling the minister's lack of financial exactitude. Watson, the clerk, trembles as he insists that Mr Richard had instructed him to pay Benson a dividend after the date of the alleged transfer of shares. Farquhar can immediately see the implications of this, but Bradshaw continues to bluster and blame anyone but Richard, suggesting forgetfulness on Benson's part or incompetence from the Insurance Company.

The next day a clerk arrives with the deed of transfer. Bradshaw stares at the signature then asks - "like a man who has received a slight paralytic stroke" - if the clerk has heard of forgery. He takes the deed and vows that if fraud has been perpetrated, he will pursue justice, even though the culprit should be his own son. He again wants to blame Benson, but lays his head on his desk and moans aloud.

Determined to find the truth, Bradshaw breaks open Richards's private desk and reads every paper, finding convincing evidence that the perfect Richard is far from what he seems. He clings to the hope that his son may not be guilty of forgery but rather a blunder or stupendous piece of forgetfulness.

Benson is used to needy visitors in the night, but is surprised by a portentous knock at midnight. Bradshaw produces the deed and begs Benson to be sure if it is his signature. He can see from Benson's face that it is not and is stony eyed as he vows that Richard must be prosecuted. Benson refuses, saying we have all offended God, and advises Bradshaw he will feel different in the morning. This infuriates Bradshaw whose parting words are that "If there were more people like me and fewer like you, there would be less evil in the world, sir. It's your sentimentalists that nurse up sin".

Benson is distressed by the night's events - not for himself, but for Richard. He resolves to consult the clear-headed Farquhar first thing in the morning.

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BishyBarnyBee · 10/04/2024 09:43

StColumbofNavron · 09/04/2024 21:21

Haha, the last three posts have made me laugh. I agree that the piety is a little wearing, but Kindle informs me there is only about 1h 43m left so we are coming to whatever climax there may or may not be.

I am very glad to have read this, even if it hasn’t always been enjoyable - from a plot or for me, a prose angle early on but once I started reading a couple of chapters at a time I really got into it.

Just doing the next chapter, some shocking behaviour and outrageous injustice coming right up !

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