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New Year, New Fallen Woman: Elizabeth Gaskell's Ruth Readalong

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BishyBarnyBee · 28/12/2023 07:42

Following the very successful Madame Bovary readalong, we have decided to explore another woman who refused to be bound by contemporary mores.
So shocking at the time, two of Gaskell's friends burnt their copies.

"Elizabeth Gaskell's Ruth (1853) was the first mainstream novel to make a fallen woman its eponymous heroine. It is a remarkable story of love, of the sanctuary and tyranny of the family, and of the consequences of lies and deception, one that lays bare Victorian hypocrisy and sexual double-standards. Shocking to contemporary readers, its radical utopian vision of a pure woman faithfully presented predates Hardy's Tess by nearly forty years."

We will aim for two chapters a week - a weekend chapter and a mid week chapter. If I have time, I'll try and do a ChatGPT chapter summary, but anyone else is welcome to jump in if I haven't got there first.

We start 1st Jan, so if you are up for a bit of Victorian passion, guilt, regret and redemption, sign up here!

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Tarahumara · 07/02/2024 07:03

Bishy, I am still here and appreciating your excellent summaries!

Piggywaspushed · 07/02/2024 06:55

I have divisions! Part Two after Chapter 13!

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 06/02/2024 22:28

There aren't any divisions other than chapters in the book but it feels like we have started part two. The pace is going to slow a bit as Ruth begins her new life with the Bensons. It's like she is entering a haven of safety. The Bensons live strictly by their faith and defer continuously to God but they are so genuinely caring towards Ruth that you look beyond preachiness I think. Well, I did.

Bishy, I can do a summary on Sundays if you like. There's a lot of book to go yet. Yes, it's a bit quiet on the thread alright, for whatever reason.

Piggywaspushed · 06/02/2024 21:17

I like Victorian literature and enjoyed Gaskell's other works but am finding the religious stuff a bit preachy. Not sure it's for me. Hopefully it'll abate!

BishyBarnyBee · 06/02/2024 21:06

This part of the book is quite slow and sad, but I found some enjoyable moments in this chapter. More glorious description of natural beauty - the peaceful vale and flat white pebbled stream. Benson's valiant attempts to speak Welsh meeting utter bafflement from the boy. Miss Benson's manly whistle, her distrust of romance, and her deliberately dragging out afternoon tea because she really is in no hurry to commence the distasteful interview.

But the pace feels like slightly hard going at this point and I'm wondering if that's why comments have dropped off a bit? l'll keep going with the chapter summaries for now but might stop if I feel I'm basically writing to myself here!

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ShabanahFazal · 04/02/2024 12:41

So glad you loved the poem! Rossetti is by my far my favourite Victorian female poet and GM is her absolute masterpiece. And yes, looked at through a modern Freudian lens, extraordinary filthy - to the point where in the early 70s, Playboy commissioned a series of parody images of Arthur Rackham’s classic child-friendly illustrations that left nothing to the imagination! (All on Google Image). Obviously, that’s a crude take for such a rich, beautiful poem. It’s so ambiguous and open to interpretation that it’s been read as a child’s fable, Christian allegory, Gothic adventure, feminist celebration of sisterhood and liberation, critique of capitalism - and so much more. I tend to favour the more edifying and feminist readings, but the dark, naughty ones are fascinating too!

I don’t remember seeing any of her writing about her time at the penitentiary, but I’m no expert, especially in the background historical context, so I’m grateful to others digging into that. I’ve just read and studied quite a lot of 19th century literature and tend to get fired up more by the writing itself, but the historical context only when it illuminates some aspect of that. Maybe I should dig more. It’s the old reader’s curse: the more you read, the more you realise the less you know!

BishyBarnyBee · 04/02/2024 08:26

@ShabanahFazal thanks for those links. I'd never come across the poem before and it is stunning. On one level it reminded me of those little flower fairy images which were so poplar in the 70s - all delicate watercolours and rich detail. Then on another level it's pure filth! All those leering, physically repulsive but so very tempting goblins - just brilliant.

I wonder if Rosetti wrote about her time in the penitentiaries? Given that she wrote the poem just when she started, she might have very interesting things to say about it.

Not had time to read the novella but very much looking forward to it.

Do you by any chance work in the field of history/literature? Very much appreciating your wider knowledge here!

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BishyBarnyBee · 04/02/2024 08:18

Chapter 11
In which another strong-willed older woman enters the story and first judges Ruth, then softens, judges again then proposes a solution which will pivot the fate of years - and not in a good way.

Benson writes to ask his sister to come and we see how much he respects her- and how poor they are. She arrives full of concern for him and scepticism for the fallen woman, but a reproving word from Benson makes her regret her comment that Ruth might be better dead.

Her ambivalence makes her drag out their afternoon tea, but when she sees "the poor lovely creature who lay thus stricken and felled", her heart softens. She sends the weary Benson and Hughes to bed and nurses Ruth through the night. Ruth awakens and Miss B strokes her hand and tells her she is a friend - and her own heart unlocks as she does so.

The doctor comes and Miss B is shocked to learn that Ruth is pregnant - and even more shocked when Ruth thanks God for the baby. Benson and Miss B debate theology and he suggests that the child could be the making of Ruth, but they both recoil at the implications for the poor illegitimate child. With great sadness, they recall an old acquaintance who drowned at sea rather than live with the shame of his birth.

Miss B realises that Ruth's utter friendlessness and isolation could be an advantage, in allowing Ruth to pass as a widow. Their desire to protect the innocent child, and their recall of "the obnoxious word in the baptismal registry (which) told him that he must go forth branded into the world, with his hand against every man's, and every man's against him", overcome Benson's scruples, but Gaskell tells us that this will have serious long term consequences. Benson has turned the pivot of fate the wrong way - not for his own sake, but for the helpless baby about to enter a cruel and biting world.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 03/02/2024 22:46

Thank you @ShabanahFazal I'll definitely read it. It's on Kindle as well. Very good point about character and circumstance. It was equally one and the other!
@BishyBarnyBee I really liked your post that brought up what being a good Christian meant to people, whether that was in word only or in deed as it's very central to the book.

ShabanahFazal · 03/02/2024 19:50

Hi, I’ve just enjoyed catching up on the last fortnight or so of discussions. So many interesting, perceptive comments and links. I very much agree with your summary above of Gaskell’s overall purpose @BishyBarnyBee.

I can only add that her overarching one was so often, like Dickens, to describe the condition of England across what they saw as the ‘two nations’ of rich and poor. On a previous page, someone mentioned Gaskell’s over-reliance on coincidences. Well, she wasn’t alone! As well as creating more exciting stories for serialisation, I think many Victorian writers probably needed to use coincidence and contrivance to enable the meeting of characters whose paths might not otherwise cross that class divide. I also prefer a plot that arises organically from character - or at least a mix of character and circumstance - but in fact, isn’t that what Gaskell gives us at the critical point when Ruth ends up going to London with Bellingham? If I remember correctly, she’d just decided to run for refuge with the old couple in her former home, but suddenly realised she had no money to pay for the tea that Bellingham had ordered for her while he went off for their carriage. That meant she’d have to wait for him to return to pay it, and realised she’d be powerless to say no to him at that point. So isn’t it her character, her honesty, that seals her fate in that moment?

On penitentiaries for women, and sexual desire in female characters in 19thc literature, I must mention poet Christina Rossetti. She followed her much more devout older sister Maria into volunteering at the St Mary Magdalene Penitentiary in Highgate for ‘fallen women’, and worked there for 11 years as a ‘sister-saviour’, a term that tells you a lot about the regime of rehabilitation. What’s most interesting and ironic is that at the same time as she started there in 1859, she was writing her most famous, richly ambiguous poem ‘Goblin Market’ about Laura (Christina?) and Lizzie (Mary?), two sisters faced with the temptation of symbolic forbidden fruit sold by ‘goblin men’. It captures brilliantly the duality of women at that time eg the virtuous v ‘fallen’ woman - or within women torn between duty and sexual desire. It’s a fantastically easy read, with a rattling rhythm and fabulous mouth-watering imagery, but there’s so much more going on below the child-friendly entertaining surface.

Edited to add a link to this brilliant poem. Lucky you, if you’re reading it for the first time! https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44996/goblin-market

And to recommend ‘Lizzie Leigh’, Gaskell’s very moving novella (only a few chapters long) about a ‘fallen woman’ in the urban setting of Manchester. (Clear similarities with Mary Barton). Good to compare/contrast with Ruth, as here the mother figures as a major character, and the ‘fallen woman’ is quite different from Ruth.

BishyBarnyBee · 01/02/2024 19:57

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/02/2024 09:30

Yes. That's an interesting point, TheWriteStuff that most of the judgement that Ruth faces is from other women, so far. Mr B seems happy for his mother to clean up his 'mess'. He is ill, but we get the feeling that she is the one in charge. She is awful indeed.

Thank you for that Bishy. I wonder if penitentiaries really were charitable and 'therapeutic'. The Magdalene Launderies in Ireland were also meant to be charitable but the nuns were cruel to the women. It was very brutal and punitive and the women led miserable lives.

I tracked down the full paper and it's fascinating. It does seem to be a different ethos to the very punitive Magdalen system, though the evidence quoted is from official records so we're only getting the sister's perspectives. But the women were there voluntarily and could leave at any point.

Mumm quotes the founder of the Church Penitentiary Association asking: "And whose fault is it that the poor are so poor, that the severe toils of our women are so under-paid, that all the wretched shirt-makers and needlewomen are drudging away their lives, and often for very bread yield themselves to sin, after long resistance?"

One experienced penitentiary manager cautioned against making the regime too overtly religious: "many would gladly enter if they knew that they would find a quiet home, where they might rest and think, instead of a semi-prison...let them be admitted . . . simply as inmates of a Home, requiring of them only quiet behaviour, obedience, and work, and leaving them perfectly free as regards religion, and entirely free to go away if they dislike the place."

I also love that Penitentiary workers divided the women into the "weak" (little trouble, obedient, fell in with religious influences, and seemed like successes) and the "strong" (chose a life of vice, gave "endless trouble," were disobedient and defiant, but had in them "the raw material of better things.")

The weak might appear to be saved but were likely to succumb to bad influences as easily as they had to good, whereas if the sisters could win over the troublesome strong, the change was likely to be permanent!

NOTWORSETHANOTHERGIRLS.pdf (open.ac.uk)

https://oro.open.ac.uk/82/1/NOT_WORSE_THAN_OTHER_GIRLS.pdf

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BishyBarnyBee · 01/02/2024 19:28

Great points @@FuzzyCaoraDhubh @TheWriteStuff @Tarahumara. It's the women who condemn Ruth. Even in the boarding house, the gentleman was amused/titillated by Ruth and his wife was disgusted by her.

I'm thinking that this is not, after all, primarily a feminist book, even though Gaskell is unequivocally on Ruth's side. It's mostly about class and power, with a strong emphasis on analysing what it means to be a true Christian. That makes sense from Gaskell, a Unitarian minister's wife with a passion for social justice. She is on the side of poor women and opposed to hypocrisy, but she has no illusions about female solidarity or the innate moral superiority of women. And she is not arguing for women to be allowed to express their sexuality but criticising the men who force women to "give in" to male desire.

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FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/02/2024 10:01

Spelling correction: Magdalen.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 01/02/2024 09:30

Yes. That's an interesting point, TheWriteStuff that most of the judgement that Ruth faces is from other women, so far. Mr B seems happy for his mother to clean up his 'mess'. He is ill, but we get the feeling that she is the one in charge. She is awful indeed.

Thank you for that Bishy. I wonder if penitentiaries really were charitable and 'therapeutic'. The Magdalene Launderies in Ireland were also meant to be charitable but the nuns were cruel to the women. It was very brutal and punitive and the women led miserable lives.

Tarahumara · 01/02/2024 09:09

That's so interesting @BishyBarnyBee about the penitentiaries- thank you for sharing.

Good point @TheWriteStuff, Mr B is coming across as a bit whiny and petulant while his mum seems to be painted as the evil villain. Annoying! He's the one in the wrong here!

TheWriteStuff · 01/02/2024 09:00

There is something about the turn of events in the last few chapters that has me a bit... itchy. I think it's the shift of the weight of responsibility for Ruth's outcome, from Mr B to his mother.

Mr B's role in Ruth's life has almost become ignored and now we are pitting woman against woman.

In fact, so far, almost all the judgement of Ruth has come from other women...

BishyBarnyBee · 31/01/2024 21:31

A short chapter but another brutal one! The spirituality of Benson at the start contrasts with the ruthless (see what I did there!) self interest of Mrs B. We are reminded again of how harshly the world judges Ruth, and how others are using her to assert their own moral high ground. Again, we see a mother ignoring her son's character defects and channeling their discomfort into blaming another woman. Looking very bleak for Ruth at the moment.

I tried to find out more about penitentiaries and came across this which I found fascinating, especially as I know Dickenson Road well.

Fallen Women; St Mary's Home | Rusholme & Victoria Park Archive (rusholmearchive.org)

The author suggests that the unsmiling women may offer confirmation that this is likely to be the penitentiary, and includes this quote from a 1996 historian, Susan Munn:

“In Victorian Britain, a female penitentiary was not a penal institution for the punishment of crime, but a charitable enterprise entered voluntarily by members of an outcast group, popularly known as 'fallen women.' Many fallen women were prostitutes, but the category also encompassed groups other than sexual deviants: female thieves, tramps, alcoholics, and those who were described as feeble-minded were also considered fallen, and it was seen as appropriate to rehabilitate them alongside streetwalkers. Penitentiaries were intended as transformative institutions, where female outcasts of many kinds could be changed into 'honest' women, a conversion which incorporated both a spiritual change from sinner to penitent, and an equally important social shift from dissolute and deviant female to respectable woman. The penitentiary, despite its penal overtones, was a therapeutic community which was not experienced as unbearably punitive. As well as reforming prostitutes, Anglican penitentiaries in Victorian Britain offered shelter to the survivors of incest and sexual violence, women fleeing abusive relationships, and female alcoholics.”

New Year, New Fallen Woman: Elizabeth Gaskell's Ruth Readalong
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BishyBarnyBee · 31/01/2024 21:13

Chapter 10
In which Mr Benson appeals to Mrs Bellingham's good nature, but she feels her Christian Duty is more than fulfilled with a 50/- note and directions to the Penitentiary.

We see that Mr Benson's good character is respected even by the pragmatic and materialistic Mrs Mason, though he has rarely spent a shilling in her inn. He takes her advice and sends an appeal to Mrs Bellingham to send her maid to help the barely conscious Ruth, or to tell Ruth's friends to come and care for her.

Mrs B confirms that her maid, stiff with virtue, would not dream of caring for this creature. She learns that Mr B is unaware that Ruth was given £50 to leave Bellingham alone. The maid explains that Ruth's only "friend" - the dressmaker Mrs Mason - has washed her hands of Ruth, and we hear that gossip has described Ruth as a forward creature who boasted of her own beauty, strived to get her good looks seen and admired, and ensnared B at the County Ball.

Mrs B reaffirms that the only possible course for the friendless Ruth is to take the £50 and procure admission to the Fordham Penitentiary, where she may be led to an honest life. She urges the maid to say nothing to B, who must remain unaware of this potential annoyance.

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LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 29/01/2024 22:39

Sounds interesting!

BishyBarnyBee · 28/01/2024 19:47

Have any of you seen this version of Tess? I might go when it's at the Lowry in Manchester, but there is also a livestreaming on Friday 16th Feb, bookable through the Lowry.

It sounds a bit off the wall but very interesting:

Classic literature and circus collide in Tess; a groundbreaking adaptation of Thomas Hardy’s classic novel Tess of the D’Urbervilles.
Against a backdrop of projections, the cast wield wooden planks, climb shifting walls and move through ropes and swathes of linen to evoke the vast landscapes and interior worlds of Hardy’s Wessex.
Female relationships, sexual desire, consent, privilege and poverty; themes which resonate now as much as ever. See Tess as Hardy intended; strong, heroic and powerful.

Tess - Ockham's Razor | What's on | The Lowry

Tess - Ockham's Razor | What's on | The Lowry

Tess is a groundbreaking adaptation of Thomas Hardy's classic novel Tess of the D'Urbervilles.

https://thelowry.com/whats-on/tess-ockhams-razor/

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Midnightstar76 · 28/01/2024 16:58

I did not envisage a sexual relationship between Ruth and Mr B either but looking back they obviously have. Very pleased that Mr Benson has come across her path again as can’t imagine what would have happened to her. Mr B really did get her poor thing. She is just so utterly broken by the deeds of this man. I bet he has ran to his mother time and time again to get him out of his scrapes.

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 28/01/2024 00:07

So not all moral Victorians are like the Bs!
The example of kindness and compassion is attractive-. This and showing Ruth as so young and so distressed is Mrs G making us feel on the side of the fallen!

BishyBarnyBee · 27/01/2024 19:09

Chapter 9
In which Benson fights for Ruth's soul and she obeys him for her mother's sake. Benson and his gentle Welsh landlady provide a place of safety, but it seems Ruth's distress may prove fatal.

While the bustling, gentle Mrs Hughes takes care of Benson, Ruth stares out at the violent storm rushing on in the direction taken by the Bs. The storm and her state of mind entwine - the moon shines with hope, there is a brief silver lining, then utter blackness. Benson sees that she is thinking of running again and begs her in God's name to stay. But in her despair, she feels she has forfeited her connection with God. A small inner voice inspires Benson to call upon Ruth's mother's name. She cannot defy this, but her spirit crumples as she gives up all hope and becomes utterly still and subdued.

Ruth allows Mrs H to put her to bed and Benson passes a troubled night tormented by his desire to help her. In the morning Mrs H finds her lying as if dead, pulse weak and limbs heavy. Benson goes for the doctor and Mrs H does what she can to make Ruth comfortable. We see they are truly loving and virtuous people who are glad of the opportunity to help an unfortunate stranger.

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BishyBarnyBee · 27/01/2024 06:36

@Tarahumara yes, it's just more Victorian hypocrisy, isn't it? Basically, if you had wealth and power you could do as you wished - as Mrs G makes very clear by showing us how the Bellinghams use their money to get away with apalling behaviour and are considered moral, whereas Ruth, deeply moral and with no money, has no choice but to go along with her own ruin.

And of course, abuse of wealth and power did not die out with the Victorians!

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