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New Year, New Fallen Woman: Elizabeth Gaskell's Ruth Readalong

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BishyBarnyBee · 28/12/2023 07:42

Following the very successful Madame Bovary readalong, we have decided to explore another woman who refused to be bound by contemporary mores.
So shocking at the time, two of Gaskell's friends burnt their copies.

"Elizabeth Gaskell's Ruth (1853) was the first mainstream novel to make a fallen woman its eponymous heroine. It is a remarkable story of love, of the sanctuary and tyranny of the family, and of the consequences of lies and deception, one that lays bare Victorian hypocrisy and sexual double-standards. Shocking to contemporary readers, its radical utopian vision of a pure woman faithfully presented predates Hardy's Tess by nearly forty years."

We will aim for two chapters a week - a weekend chapter and a mid week chapter. If I have time, I'll try and do a ChatGPT chapter summary, but anyone else is welcome to jump in if I haven't got there first.

We start 1st Jan, so if you are up for a bit of Victorian passion, guilt, regret and redemption, sign up here!

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TerryWoganFanGirl · 19/04/2024 14:19

Rae36 · 19/04/2024 12:05

Well I caught up eventually and on the whole enjoyed this more than I thought I would.

Thanks for keeping me company, for all the summaries and comments.

Poor old Ruth. I think she had some happy times though among all the misery. I'll hang on to those.

She did didn’t she? And Gaskell was clear she wasn’t a sinner so she also would have been off to heaven and reunited with her mother and father. I assume contemporary readers would for the most part have thought that?

Rae36 · 19/04/2024 12:05

Well I caught up eventually and on the whole enjoyed this more than I thought I would.

Thanks for keeping me company, for all the summaries and comments.

Poor old Ruth. I think she had some happy times though among all the misery. I'll hang on to those.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 19/04/2024 09:03

Hi @BishyBarnyBee Enjoy Anna Karenina and the retrospective readalong. It was a very enjoyable one. I thought the final part of the book was brilliant when Anna's unhappiness spiralled into complete distress. It was a complete shock reading it. I hadn't expected it.

No, Desdamona isn't on this one, I don't think. * *

BishyBarnyBee · 19/04/2024 08:45

I thought I'd just report that I am filling the time before 1st May with a retrospective Anna Karenina readalong. I did a lot of War and Peace and Madame Bovary, but AK passed me by - not sure why. And some people have said Anna was their favourite fallen woman, so I went back to have a look and am hooked.

I'm basically reading a few chapters of the book then going back to read all your comments, and loving it - like a speeded up version of a normal readalong.

I've come across@Piggywaspushed @StColumbofNavron @Buttalapasta @Sadik @FuzzyCaoraDhubh @cassandre and enjoying your comments immensely. I wondered if Desdemona's Handkerchief has changed her name or disappeared - she was doing the summaries but I don't recognise the name on this thread. And is there anyone else on here who name changed or I've missed?

The only frustration is not being able to chip in, but the comments and insights of everyone else have pretty much got it covered and as always are massively improving my understanding and enjoyment of the novel. Thanks everyone!

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Funnywonder · 19/04/2024 08:21

I have been trundling along a fair way behind you all and have only started to catch up now. I have been bookmarking the discussion as I go and reading everyone's insightful comments. I have had some thoughts, but then have seen them better expressed by someone else😆 Your summaries have been so well written and helpful @BishyBarnyBee.

Buttalapasta · 18/04/2024 21:14

Thank you Bishy for all your work! I haven't really got anything insightful to add and I agree that the moralizing got rather heavy-handed at times. I thought Donne might have realized how idiotic he had been and insist on having his son back. Luckily he didn't.

Overall, I'm glad to have read it but doubt I'll ever read it again. I much preferred AK, EB and Tess. Thank goodnes for Sally, though!

BishyBarnyBee · 18/04/2024 20:16

Great points @cassandre

Yes, Ruth's struggle with her affection for Bellingham and her rejection of his marriage proposal was one of her finest hours, and him feeling faintly martyred and unappreciated when his generous offers were refused would have been funny if it was not so infuriating.

I'm not sure I saw Bradshaw as reformed exactly, more utterly broken by the pain of his world view being shattered by his son's behaviour. He never actually faces up to his own unethical behaviour in paying out bribes, does he? But I think we do warm to him because he is so humbled and aged by his pain - and of course Benson forgives him completely.

Thanks to all of you who shared your thoughts and reactions - it was a real pleasure to do the summaries and though I was wary of taking on the commitment, it actually massively enhanced my enjoyment of the book so I got a lot from it. Looking forward to a bit of full on libertinage now!

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cassandre · 18/04/2024 17:33

And massive thanks again to you, Bishy, for hosting this read and our next one!

We're going from religious purity straight into the jaws of full-on libertinage 😂

cassandre · 18/04/2024 17:21

I just want to echo everyone else and thank you for your wonderful summaries, Bishy. They made reading the novel so much more interesting and fun.

I have lots of thoughts about the novel, but they're quite random and incoherent... I liked it more than I expected I would by the end; I got turned off by the religious discourse early on, but was then won over again by the social justice message that Gaskell was trying to make so forcefully.

I agree it's very frustrating to see the 'fallen women' across different novels consistently die, but Ruth's death is an interesting variation because it's a martyr saint-like death, unlike the much grimmer deaths of Emma and Anna K. She does go out in a blaze of religious glory. So it's our first 'good death' rather than 'bad death', if that makes sense.

I thought that Bellingham/Donne was a very unsexy seducer figure. He had no charisma at all! I do really like the fact that Gaskell has him remain a cad to the end. I was aghast at his line to Benson: 'I cannot tell you how I regret that she should have died in consequence of her love of me.' (She did NOT die for love of you, you dickhead!) He's just so insanely self-centred!

I wasn't expecting the character reformation of Bradshaw: that was an interesting twist.

I also liked the introduction of Mr Davis, the surgeon who was an illegitimate child himself. Does that suggest that illegitimate sons have a better chance of thriving in Victorian society than their mothers? I'm glad he's around to take Leonard under his wing. Leonard will have a far happier fate than Emma Bovary's poor daughter! (and Emma's daughter was legitimate...)

I suppose my main complaint about the novel is that Ruth is too much a one-dimensional figure. Gaskell is so eager to exculpate her of guilt that she turns her into a purely saint-like figure. That fits with what you said, Sadik, about how Ruth is more a mirror to reflect other characters than a complex character in her own right. The other characters are allowed to have a more realistically human mix of virtues and imperfections.

I read the Penguin edition edited by Angus Easson, and I really liked his introduction (which I've just read). It made me see complexities in the novel I hadn't noticed.

Easson talks about how the novel challenges realist conventions by its emphasis on feeling as a source of truth, and how Ruth is very sensitive to beauty and nature, in the way of Wordsworth (Gaskell was a fan of Wordsworth apparently). This point made Ruth seem a more interesting character to me.

He also notices that the sequence of Bellingham/Donne becoming ill, and then Ruth becoming ill, happens in the novel twice. So the ending comes full circle as it were.

And he points out how Gaskell was keen to convey the idea that if a man seduces a woman, forcing her to marry him isn't necessarily a solution, as some in the 19th c. believed it to be. Ruth's refusal of Donne's offer of marriage is a feminist gesture.

Sorry for the long laundry list of points; my thoughts are a bit all over the place, as I said! Anyway this was certainly a novel that provided a lot of food for thought.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 17/04/2024 14:41

Of course 😅

Tarahumara · 17/04/2024 14:39

Of course for the sake of dramatic effect it was always going to be Bellingham that she caught it from!

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 17/04/2024 14:37

Well, yes. Good point Tarahumara.
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I suppose the way I looked at it was in terms of significant relationships.
The people she cared for were anonymous entities as part of her vocation to be a nurse. She made a deliberate choice to go to nurse Donne.

But yes. I know what you mean. She went out there anyway and risked exposure.

Tarahumara · 17/04/2024 14:33

I'm not sure I agree that Ruth put Bellingham before Leonard. After all, she'd just spent several weeks / months (?) in the infirmary and could have contracted typhus at any time. So she only put Bellingham ahead of Leonard to the same extent that she put lots of random sick people ahead of him.

FuzzyCaoraDhubh · 17/04/2024 12:01

I'm still planning to reread the last few chapters but I just wanted to point out that the stable boy was the little lad that Bellingham plucked out out of the river at the start of the book, I think.

I completely agree about Bellingham/Donne.

Thank you for your amazing summaries and dedication to this read along @BishyBarnyBee When I said at the start that we could wing it without Shmoop, I had no idea you were going to come up with this set of accompanying notes!

I still prefer Emma Bovary as my favourite fallen woman by the way.

Edited to add that I was disappointed and annoyed with the demise of Ruth. She deserved a little earthly happiness. A happy ending would have been good. Hadn't she gone through enough (apparently not...) It wasn't completely surprising as she became more and more saintly as the book progressed, but it annoyed me. Also, as Sadik pointed* *out, I felt she put Bellingham/Donne over her son when she decided to go to him and that annoyed me as well.

Jeesh, that was a long edit!

TerryWoganFanGirl · 17/04/2024 11:09

Bellingham/Donne was the best thing about the novel imo. It came alive every time he was in it. I’m glad he didn’t turn over a new leaf at the end, wouldn’t have aligned with his character. Taught by his mother you can buy your way out of anything, used to people being grateful for his attention and completely blind to his own sins. A great rotter!

Tarahumara · 17/04/2024 07:23

Yes, when he found himself on his way to view the body I did think there would be some repentance. Which there was... briefly!

BishyBarnyBee · 17/04/2024 07:15

Sadik · 16/04/2024 21:27

I did like the fact that for about one moment it looked like Bellingham might repent - and then he reverted to his baseline level of selfishness and strolled off into the sunshine.

Yes, it was good to get one last bit of Bellingham hate in before the end. He really was an absolute toad, wasn't he? Superior, dismissing Benson as ill-bred, and congratulating himself on his virtue in doing the right thing by Ruth.

Not a shred of self awareness and it makes Ruth's punishment even more poignant that he got off Scot free, not even a pang of conscience to bother him. Of course Gaskell would believe, like Benson, that he'd get his just desserts when he met his maker, but the modern reader doesn't have that comfort.

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ChessieFL · 17/04/2024 06:23

Thanks for your hard work on this thread @BishyBarnyBee. Your chapter summaries have been invaluable and really helped me understand bits I had missed.

Sadik · 16/04/2024 21:27

I did like the fact that for about one moment it looked like Bellingham might repent - and then he reverted to his baseline level of selfishness and strolled off into the sunshine.

StColumbofNavron · 16/04/2024 21:24

I did shout out loud in frustration when she died. All this political commentary, all this suffering and redemption and for what - the same ending!!!!!

That said, I’m very pleased I read it and most pleased I read it with you all.

Sadik · 16/04/2024 21:21

I've really enjoyed the readalong, & taking the book more slowly has definitely meant I've got more out of it.

In many ways, although Ruth is notionally the main character, really for me the book is 'about' all the other characters, with Ruth acting mainly as a mirror to reflects the virtues & failings of others.

BishyBarnyBee · 16/04/2024 20:49

ChessieFL · 16/04/2024 16:53

Yes, none of these scandalous women could possibly be allowed to live, could they?! Anna Karenina is another with a sad end.

According to the Penguin introduction, Charlotte Bronte agreed, writing to ask Gaskell "Why are we to shut up the book weeping?"

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BishyBarnyBee · 16/04/2024 20:42

narniabusiness · 16/04/2024 19:55

Thank you @BishyBarnyBee for leading this read a long and your excellent summaries. I don’t regret reading this book as I do enjoy period literature for what it says about the times as well as for the plot.
I did, now we have come to the end, want to mention how the ending compares to’Clarrisa’. I don’t know if you are familiar with it? Clarissa is also a deeply religious book and she is manipulated by a rake and she is raped and then she lays down and wills her own death. I think Richardson’s readers didn’t want him to kill off his heroine, but the fact is that she decides her own destiny. I found that more compelling than the ending of Ruth. I suppose if you firmly believe that heaven is one’s reward then getting there early isn’t too bad - except for poor Leonard.

I haven't read Clarissa, I hope to get to it at some point.

Benson saying that in chapter 33 that only a flash of time would separate her from Leonard if she died was absolutely chilling to those not sharing his unflinching faith in the afterlife.

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BishyBarnyBee · 16/04/2024 20:30

Tarahumara · 16/04/2024 19:39

And we're done! Well done @BishyBarnyBee. Overall I enjoyed this more than Madame Bovary - I think I'm in the minority though! Neither are a patch on Anna K IMO.

I missed the AK readalong, can't remember why. I enjoyed this more than MB, but doing the chapter summaries made a huge difference to my investment and then enjoyment so it might not be a fair comparison. Ruth was pretty infuriating a lot of the time but I enjoyed the more complex characters, especially Jemima.

I actually liked Gaskell's somewhat heavy handed romantic descriptions, and her little humourous touches - even in the final tragic chapter, she can't resist giving Sally an anti-Dissenter jibe to lighten the mood.

One thing that really grated was the constant emphasis on Ruth's ethereal beauty - I wondered how a less stunningly beautiful woman would have fared, though of course she might not have caught Bellingham's eye in the first place. But would a stocky lumpen farm girl have aroused the same protective feelings in Benson? Or in the reader?

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narniabusiness · 16/04/2024 19:55

Thank you @BishyBarnyBee for leading this read a long and your excellent summaries. I don’t regret reading this book as I do enjoy period literature for what it says about the times as well as for the plot.
I did, now we have come to the end, want to mention how the ending compares to’Clarrisa’. I don’t know if you are familiar with it? Clarissa is also a deeply religious book and she is manipulated by a rake and she is raped and then she lays down and wills her own death. I think Richardson’s readers didn’t want him to kill off his heroine, but the fact is that she decides her own destiny. I found that more compelling than the ending of Ruth. I suppose if you firmly believe that heaven is one’s reward then getting there early isn’t too bad - except for poor Leonard.