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MrShannon385 · 26/10/2023 00:28

Curly was the best character in mice an men

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SerafinasGoose · 29/10/2023 10:30

ladygindiva · 28/10/2023 22:05

Jane Eyre was a doormat and Rochester was a wanker

I find Villette a far superior book to Jane Eyre.

As for Rochester - where do you even start with Rochester? He takes up with one mistress after another and casts them aside as soon as they start to 'disgust' him, which they pretty soon do, as women are not supposed to be 'sexual'. He uses the words 'unchaste' and 'disgusting' about his first wife so this is a safe assumption. Wife 1 is both passionate and tempestuous: her fiery nature and sexuality are the only symptoms which enable him (a doctor?) to diagnose her as mad, one of a family of 'idiots and maniacs', and shove her under lock and key into his attic. He's horrible to his daughter and blames her for her mother's flightiness. In short, he takes up with exactly the sort of women who sexually attract him and then blames them for their sexiness.

Then there's the callous treatment of Blanche Ingram, courting her to make Jane jealous and then telling her he's really poor, so she'll change her mind about marrying him (women of her background didn't really have much option than to survive economically through marriage). Even Jane strongly admonishes him for his treatment of all these women, yet ends up marrying him anyway.

But yeah. Wanker.

AllegroConMoto · 29/10/2023 10:05

Abracadabra12345 · 28/10/2023 22:04

Some films are actually better than the books they're based on

Yes. Lord of the Rings being a case in point.

ladygindiva · 29/10/2023 10:05

Chemenger · 29/10/2023 09:59

Totally agree. The whole plot is ludicrous, she is an idiot - she makes herself destitute by not taking the money she earned then finds herself on her cousin’s doorstep (or something similar, I have not subjected myself to this book for years). Would have been an entirely better book if she had caught consumption in the first chapter and died so she didn’t get 300 pages of mimsy moral superiority.

This is a book review I completely agree with 🤣

Purplecatshopaholic · 29/10/2023 10:02

The Catcher in the Rye is self indulgent pish.
Gabriel Garcia Marquez is sooo tedious he is unreadable. See also JRR Tolkien - yawn…

Chemenger · 29/10/2023 09:59

ladygindiva · 28/10/2023 22:05

Jane Eyre was a doormat and Rochester was a wanker

Totally agree. The whole plot is ludicrous, she is an idiot - she makes herself destitute by not taking the money she earned then finds herself on her cousin’s doorstep (or something similar, I have not subjected myself to this book for years). Would have been an entirely better book if she had caught consumption in the first chapter and died so she didn’t get 300 pages of mimsy moral superiority.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 29/10/2023 09:54

ladygindiva · 28/10/2023 22:05

Jane Eyre was a doormat and Rochester was a wanker

I disagree. By the end of the book the power imbalance in that relationship has done a massive shift - Jane is able bodied, has money and family. Rochester is nearly blind, has lost his lovely home and everyone knows there was a madwoman in the attic - plus he's wholly dependent on her emotionally and physically.

Not sure about the wanker bit. Entitled rich bloke used to getting what he wants around women acts like entitled rich bloke used to getting what he wants around women.

littlehouselessmatch · 29/10/2023 00:29

Greygardenz
Charlotte Brontë's Villette is the dullest book ever

Noooo!!! It's my favourite Charlotte Brontë book especially when you discover that it's semi-autobiographical

Oh yes. The bleakness and despair stayed with me, it was so well done. Marvellous book.

ladygindiva · 28/10/2023 22:16

Saucery · 28/10/2023 22:13

Yep. Harry Potter, Jonathan Strange And Mr Norrell, The English Patient, Captain Corelli’s Mandolin, A Pale Blue Eye..

The film of Corelli's mandolin was utter shite compared to the book!!!!

Saucery · 28/10/2023 22:13

Abracadabra12345 · 28/10/2023 22:04

Some films are actually better than the books they're based on

Yep. Harry Potter, Jonathan Strange And Mr Norrell, The English Patient, Captain Corelli’s Mandolin, A Pale Blue Eye..

ladygindiva · 28/10/2023 22:05

Jane Eyre was a doormat and Rochester was a wanker

Abracadabra12345 · 28/10/2023 22:04

Some films are actually better than the books they're based on

Abracadabra12345 · 28/10/2023 21:59

Greygardenz · 26/10/2023 08:58

Charlotte Brontë's Villette is the dullest book ever

Noooo!!! It's my favourite Charlotte Brontë book especially when you discover that it's semi-autobiographical

TitusMoan · 27/10/2023 21:45

AngryBirdsNoMore · 27/10/2023 13:08

Why so with Ian McEwen?

A Little Life was just misery porn.

If you read very early McEwan, the short stories (In Between the Sheets collection, I think) then you will understand that comment.

LuckyPeonies · 27/10/2023 21:23

I really dislike Helen Oyeyemi’s White is for Witching. It was disjointed and annoying, and I gave up after a few chapters. No idea if her other books are equally muddled, but I am not tempted to read them. 😝

StBrides · 27/10/2023 20:56

Both Margaret Atwooc and The Handmaid's Tale are massively overrated.

As is Hilary Mantel, some of her earlier books are just dreadful

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 27/10/2023 20:50

Chaucer is very entertaining.

StrangePaintName · 27/10/2023 20:46

But no, JA definitely wouldn’t have married them! The idea!

StrangePaintName · 27/10/2023 20:45

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/10/2023 17:47

Anyone who thinks Austen is a romantic needs to re-read the books. She is a stone-cold realist - far less of a romantic than her male contemporaries or the Brontes (Austen would never have married Jane Eyre to Rochester - a disaster in the making).

Bronte only marries Jane Eyre to Rochester after he’s been blinded and maimed and turned into a recluse, though, while Jane has found herself a family, an home, and an inheritance.

I mean, I don’t disagree that Rochester is an utter bastard (people often forget that he isn’t even going to marry Jane bigamously initially, but is just planning to seduce his powerless teenage employee), but I think CB isn’t blind to the problematics and very obviously weakens the Gothic rake and strengthens the friendless orphan governess.

AnonyLonnymouse · 27/10/2023 20:38

I adore Jane Austen but think she should have written Mrs Norris with a bit more compassion.

Snoeberry · 27/10/2023 20:36

Marian Keyes is very overrated.

Thmssngvwlsrnd · 27/10/2023 20:23

Eleanor Oliphant was dreadful old rubbish. Why so many people rave about it is beyond me.

BigFatLiar · 27/10/2023 19:04

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/10/2023 16:02

Moby Dick is a piece of boring crap and the only reason it's famous is because Americans like to think they can write good books and always have been able to.

It's boring. In the Heart of the Sea, which is about the 'real' story, is much better.

I think the reason it's famous is because it made a good film.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 27/10/2023 17:47

OhMargaret · 27/10/2023 13:49

Austen is just Mills and Boon for midwits

Anyone who thinks Austen is a romantic needs to re-read the books. She is a stone-cold realist - far less of a romantic than her male contemporaries or the Brontes (Austen would never have married Jane Eyre to Rochester - a disaster in the making).

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 27/10/2023 16:27

Emma is funny and very perceptive. I prefer Northanger Abbey though.

To people who compare Cold Comfort Farm to I Capture the Castle, maybe on eccentricity but I couldn’t stomach the Starkadders or Brother of the More Famous Jack.

DM used to dislike me reading Enid Blyton as a child (she says the opposite now!) but I loved them all.

I couldn’t get on with Wolf Hall either and find some of Mantel’s books to be readable and others, dross.

I’ve never really got on with Dickens either.

Another classic I’ve tried and failed to read is Hesse’s The Glass Bead Game, must’ve tried 3 times.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/10/2023 16:02

Moby Dick is a piece of boring crap and the only reason it's famous is because Americans like to think they can write good books and always have been able to.

It's boring. In the Heart of the Sea, which is about the 'real' story, is much better.