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Cakes in cafes in older books

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Tanaqui · 04/12/2021 15:03

Just reading an Agatha Christie, and Miss Marple and an acquaintance are "pressing cakes on each other", and it occurred to me that I have often been puzzled by this in books set before about 1960- did people buy a whole plate of cakes? Did they pay for the plate, or what they ate? Or did the waitress bring a hostess trolley or tray over? It's just there often seems to be a selection, or discussion on who will have the last one; and in children's books, often a feeling of being stuffed afterwards. So how did it work?! It sounds much nicer than the 'order one cake each' we do now!

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JaneJeffer · 06/12/2021 16:12

Sounds just like the contents of my baking press @upinaballoon Grin

upinaballoon · 06/12/2021 13:51

@JaneJeffer

Don't go overboard with them *@upinaballoon* they impart much flavour Grin
I found some, i.e.caraway seeds, on the pantry shelf, best before 08 Sep 03, shouldn't be too strong.Hmm They were near the baking powder, bb Oct 2019 and the bicarbonate of soda bb end May 2014.
BestIsWest · 06/12/2021 12:57

Here is Betjeman reciting Myfanwy

Oh Fuller’s Angel Cake, Robertson’s marmalade!

Betjeman

TabbyM · 06/12/2021 11:04

High tea is something you eat out* - a hotel round the corner offers "traditional Scottish High Teas" - a main course like fish and chips followed by chunky scones and cakes. The evening meal at home is just tea and afternoon tea is in nice cafes, daintiness of cakes depending on the establishment - personally I would prefer a decent sixed scone/cake to lots of chocolate dipped strawberries.
*often with your Gran on a Sunday in my experience

AdaColeman · 05/12/2021 23:06

Myfanwy and Betjeman both loved Fullers angel-cake! 🍰 🍰 🍰

gofg · 05/12/2021 22:44

I remember reading about seed cake in lots of books, it seemed the last resort, nothing else to offer type of cake. I’ve never seen one in real life but always imagined it like those budgie treats made of sesame seeds but in cake form!

I love seed cake - and it's nothing like budgie treats Smile It's made with carraway seeds, not sesame!

upinaballoon · 05/12/2021 22:26

Every word on this thread has been rivetting, except a prat called Upinaballoon spoke about small tiny cakes, and surely Barbara Pym and J.B.Priestley and John Betjeman and Alan Bennett must have taken tea together sometime, somewhere, and please don't spoil the idea by telling me their ages don't all match. Did John Betjeman ever mention a Fuller's walnut cake , which had white icing on it?

Peregrina · 05/12/2021 16:35

I can't say. I only ever met the term 'High Tea' in Enid Blyton books.

Luredbyapomegranate · 05/12/2021 15:44

@Peregrina

But for northerners the evening meal thus described is just 'tea' - there is no need to qualify with the word 'high'.

In the Enid Blyton southern English world, there is because only the children ate tea, at about 5 pm whereas the grown-ups who would have had afternoon tea, would have dinner at about 7 pm - and no doubt change into evening dress.

High tea is a bit more specific than tea used to mean supper or dinner isn’t it??

I always take High Tea to mean the end of day meal for people who eat their main meal in the middle of the day - so it’s solid but not the biggest meal of the day.

Tanaqui · 05/12/2021 15:37

I love seed cake, and kunzle cakes look delicious too! We had high tea when I was a child in the 70s, which we differentiated from a "tea,tea"- I think possibly the difference was that high tea had a hit component, but I will have to see if my sister remembers more clearly!

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Papergirl1968 · 05/12/2021 15:30

Soery, first sentence should read I'd really love a kunzle cake although I'd never heard of them...

Papergirl1968 · 05/12/2021 15:28

If really love a kunzle cake although is never heard of them. And I'd love to read Six Cousins at Mistletoe Farm again!

AdaColeman · 05/12/2021 14:46

Just to clarify, my comments about high tea are referring to a period between about 1880 and 1930 when Bennett and Priestley set their works, since the theme of the thread is food in "older books".

As an aside, it's interesting how quickly food trends come and go these days.... is Mexican food old hat now?

Peregrina · 05/12/2021 14:38

Gaspode - this was our idea of tea too.

I might have had kunzle cakes, but if so, I didn't know that's what they were called.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/12/2021 14:32

We never talked about high tea. Scottish family, moved to Yorkshire in 1971, and we had tea as our main meal in the evening. We ate between 6 and 6.30, whenever my Dad got back from work, and we had a main course, usually hot in the winter, often cold in the summer, followed by bread, butter, jam etc and also at least one plate of cake or chocolate biscuits - i.e. something fancier than bread and butter. All washed down with tea. It was extremely substantial. As none of us were engaged in vigorous manual labour, I don't know how we didn't all become obese. I suppose my brother and I were growing teenagers and my Mum was a primary school teacher, so on her feet most of the day. My Dad's job was not entirely sedentary but he certainly spent a lot of time behind a desk, and his waistline expanded a lot during my childhood.

At some point subsequently my parents changed what they ate in the evening but they still call it tea, even though tea is not served with it any more. They now have a main course (usually meat or fish with potatoes and vegetables), washed down with wine (Dad) or water (Mum), followed by a pudding. The cake etc still puts in an appearance, but it's usually served at lunchtime these days, or with a cup of tea mid-afternoon (or both).

Anyway, after that rivetting account Grin, here's a picture of Kunzle Cakes I found courtesy of Google. It's from this blog. www.davidpilling.com/wiki/index.php/Kunzle If I ever had these, it must have been when I was very young, as I don't remember them at all.

Cakes in cafes in older books
Negligee · 05/12/2021 14:19

I was hanging out with the wrong nuns in the eighties, clearly, @StrychnineInTheSandwiches!

Negligee · 05/12/2021 14:18

@StrychnineInTheSandwiches

Yes, *@Negligee*, Blyton's disdain was clear. I seem to remember their flighty mother came in for the most scorn as opposed to capable, high tea procuring, country mum! Poor woman's house had just burnt down and her kids had been shipped off to another county.
AND poor Rose’s dimwit husband hadn’t paid the house insurance, so not a penny compensation after they lost their home and belongings in the fire. I’d probably have retired to a nursing home in high dudgeon, too.

And yes, poor red-faced, bustling Linnie, who’s passionate about music and poetry, but can only indulge it in secret on Cyril’s radio because her Big Farmer husband controls the family set in the evenings, and who is stuck with running an ancient farmhouse with no hot running water or electricity, and six quarrelling children. And who, when she gets a chance to move to a convenient modern house, is guilted out of it by her kids…

Peregrina · 05/12/2021 14:17

In Staffordshire, Yorkshire and Lancashire high tea invariably included a cooked dish.

As one with family from those parts - we never made a distinction, between hot and cold food. The evening meal was tea whether it was a meat pie, or boiled ham. (And still is for tea me - whether it's quiche and salad or shepherd's pie.)

Afternoon tea wasn't something you ate at home - it was when you went out to a posh tea room.

AdaColeman · 05/12/2021 14:11

In Staffordshire, Yorkshire and Lancashire high tea invariably included a cooked dish. This is what differentiated it from "tea", which was usually cold things with bread, eg sliced tongue, brawn, or perhaps a slice of gala pie.
The hot dish might be a Barnsley chop, or devilled kidneys, a meat pie or liver and bacon or something similar. There would also be bread & butter, a slice of cake, possibly a muffin (completely different from American muffins) or pikelet.

Arnold Bennett's Clayhanger series and Anna of the Five Towns series, and J. B. Priestley works have frequent references to similar meals.

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 05/12/2021 14:08

@Negligee

Which convent/order, *@StrychnineInTheSandwiches*? The Presentation convent that educated me had terrible food, the odd time I ate anything there.
It was the Sisters of Charity. My dad says that when he used to visit his aunt, in the 1950s, it was all buttered bread and half a currant scone. But by the 1980s the nuns were clearly living it large and guests to the convent were given exciting delights like eclairs and new fangled mars bar ice-creams. Not a slice of buttered bread in sight!
StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 05/12/2021 14:05

Yes, @Negligee, Blyton's disdain was clear. I seem to remember their flighty mother came in for the most scorn as opposed to capable, high tea procuring, country mum! Poor woman's house had just burnt down and her kids had been shipped off to another county.

JaneJeffer · 05/12/2021 13:55

Don't go overboard with them @upinaballoon they impart much flavour Grin

Negligee · 05/12/2021 13:53

Which convent/order, @StrychnineInTheSandwiches? The Presentation convent that educated me had terrible food, the odd time I ate anything there.

Peregrina · 05/12/2021 13:53

Yes, a couple of the local hotels did afternoon tea, at least before Covid.
Small dainty sandwiches, small sausage rolls and then the three tiered cake stand. All for an inclusive price per head, so you could scoff all the cakes because you had paid for them.

Negligee · 05/12/2021 13:51

@StrychnineInTheSandwiches

I'm another one who learnt the difference between afternoon tea (dainty morsels eaten in a ladylike fashion) and high tea (hearty fare like slices of pie and hot buttered crumpets followed by slabs of cake) via Ms. Blyton. Those farmhouse high teas always sounded so delectable.
And in Six Cousins At Mistletoe Farm, we’re left in no doubt about the moral superiority of hearty rural high tea over dainty, townie afternoon tea.