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Elly Griffiths' Ruth Galloway novels (*possible spoilers)

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Bloodybridget · 01/06/2021 05:05

I've seen Elly Griffiths recommended on MN several times, so I picked up The Chalk Pit the other day. I do think she writes well, and am enjoying her dry humour, but baffled by logistics! The police officers are based in King's Lynn, but they're investigating incidents in Norwich, and seem to be travelling between the two locations in no time at all - which anyone who has spent time in North Norfolk, or even looked at a map, would know is impossible unless by helicopter. Example: two officers are in Norwich getting information, a colleague in KL police station wonders aloud "what's taking them so long" - well, it'll be the hour, minimum, each way on the A47, for a start!

Could it really be feasible that Norwich wouldn't have its own CID department to cover local cases? The author says she spends lots of holidays on the Norfolk coast so she must know how long it takes to get around.

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SaltMarsh · 06/09/2021 13:56

When I read the first book written in 2009, The Crossing Place, I was staying in a cottage and place in Norfolk very similar to where it is set. It certainly added something to the atmosphere on those dark nights, with the sea winds blowing in across the saltmarsh. I found Nelson's character a bit too stereotypically Northern. Would he say 'champion,' for example?! After what happened to one cat, I was incredulous that Ruth would leave her other cat free to roam and potentially meet the same fate?! It is 'easy reading' but at times I like being able to switch half my brain off, so that's fine. A good read on holiday, especially being set locally. I must have liked it because I have just started reading the second book, The Janus Stone and ordered some more.

SaltMarsh · 06/09/2021 13:34

I've asked MNHQ to add 'contains spoilers' to the thread title!

Elly has a website.

The first ten books are also available online as a set in paperback for about £25. Part sets of books 1-5 and 6-10 are also available in paperback. Wink

Seeline · 06/09/2021 13:14

She has written another series based in 1950s Brighton. I've really enjoyed her more recent series - The Stranger Diaries - but I think there are only 2 of those so far.

Bloodybridget · 06/09/2021 13:07

I have just ordered the two I haven't yet read from Abebooks. What on earth will I read after that?

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Bloodybridget · 06/09/2021 13:07

@PineappleWilson there are quite a few disappearing children in the series!

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PineappleWilson · 06/09/2021 09:49

ooh, joining this. I picked up the House at World's End in a charity shop and liked it. I didn't want to go back to the earlier books, as I didn't want to read about a child disappreance but I've been intermittantly reading the later novels and have the Night Hawk now. I didn't know that anyone else knew these novels. I love the sound of her house in the marshes.

Turangawaewae · 06/09/2021 09:45

@seeline me too. I say it 'cath - bad' to myself. But I had Hermione wrong for about 4 books.

HeddaGarbled · 06/09/2021 09:08

I’ve always imagined her living near Holme, where the seahenge was found.

Seeline · 06/09/2021 09:00

In my head it's exactly as written. Don't think I can change it now, even if it's wrong!

Turangawaewae · 06/09/2021 08:35

Does anyone know how to pronounce Cathbad? I love the pairing of him and Judy.

Seeline · 06/09/2021 08:08

I love these books and the stranger diaries. Didn't really get on with the Brighton mysteries. I've just read one of her Italian ones and didn't really like it at all!

I do remember something about Blue Ted coming for a weekend but can't remember which story. Kate went to school in Cambridge when Ruth moved.

I went to Norfolk for the first time last year and returned this year for another holiday. It did make me realise that some of the logistics didn't really work, but I loved visiting places that featured in the books. I think her descriptions in the books are brilliant - I recognised them all.

The one I didn't enjoy was the one set in Italy - just didn't seem to fit in with the rest of the series.

SydneyCarton · 06/09/2021 07:42

I do like these books, although I seem to have hit a wall with The Chalk Pit, which I’ve had for almost two years and am struggling to stick with.

I quite like the fact that Michelle hasn’t left Nelson, I think it’s more indicative of how a real life relationship might pan out where it’s much more complicated and nuanced than a Mumsnet LTB Grin. Plus she has her own little fling as well, it’s not so cut and dried.

Phyllis321 · 06/09/2021 07:15

I love ‘em. I know the area and she describes its strange allure very well.

FuzzyPuffling · 06/09/2021 07:11

I've always placed Ruth's cottage somewhere around Salthouses or Morston. Quite a way from KL, but perhaps the university is on the Hunstanton side?

Bloodybridget · 06/09/2021 02:54

@Upinaballoon I have now read all but two of the series, but not in order. I don't remember anything about Blue Ted, but my memory is rubbish, or I might just not have read the book in which it's mentioned.

Agree it would be a disaster for Ruth and Nelson to be together as a couple, and I don't think Ruth would agree to it anyway, she would be too scrupulous re Michelle.

The locations and logistics often seem unrealistic - I can't quite pin down where Ruth's house on the Saltmarsh is meant to be, but obviously on the north coast, and as her university is in KL, it would make no sense for her to be taking Kate to school in Wells. EG's notions of journey times around north Norfolk seem way out most of the time.

@fuzzypuffling what do you mean, Cathbad isn't a real person??

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FuzzyPuffling · 05/09/2021 20:35

I just got into an "interesting discussion" on a FB thread about these books, in which I got thoroughly slated for pointing out that Cathbad is not a real person. I may have upset a few people. Especially when I said that Father Christmas wasn't real either.

Meanie spoilsport me!

upinaballoon · 04/09/2021 11:37

Here are two technical questions for those of you who've read them. I have started The Night Hawks, having read the others, but I borrowed them from the library, so don't have them at hand to check up on.

1.When Kate was small and went to school or pre-school, was there a system where the children sometimes took Blue Ted home for the weekend to take care of him, I suppose, until Monday, or am I confusing that with another story completely?

  1. In this latest book Cathbad and Judy have moved to Wells-next-the-Sea and they go to the school to pick up Michael and Miranda and Kate seems to be at that school too. Now, on page 27 it says that Ruth has moved Kate back to her old primary school for her last year in primary. So did Kate always go to Wells n t s school? I always imagined the school dash was somewhere in KL but perhaps I confused it with the dash to the child-minder.

Couldn't give a toss if I'm called a pedantic, nit-picking, purist!

I agree that Harry won't leave Michelle and I think there'd be fireworks if he and Ruth lived together. As to requiring him to have an STD test, give the man a break, he's made love to Ruth about three times in ten years!

FuzzyPuffling · 02/07/2021 11:03

I love these books too. I like the repeated themes and the developing relationships too.

Nelson will not leave Michelle. He and Ruth would send each other bonkers if they lived together. Or perhaps that's it...Elly Griffiths will document the decline of their relationship too.

Annasgirl · 15/06/2021 20:49

Oh I love these too, I had read them all and read the latest then realised I had forgotten some things so I reread the whole series over a 3 week period!!! I don’t know Norfolk so I have no idea how ridiculous the CID and the level of crime is. But I love the history - and finding out about amazing characters like the woman bishop from the Middle Ages.

I get annoyed at all the will they won’t they re Ruth and Nelson and I too cannot understand how his wife is still with him! Or why Ruth won’t go and make a life with someone else. All the other men sounded better than Harry🤔

Bloodybridget · 09/06/2021 14:36

@Maidenofthespear I can see I'm going to be hooked. It's great tho' because I've barely been reading books for ages, so anything that grabs me is welcome.

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MaidenoftheSpear · 09/06/2021 03:50

I picked up the Stone Circle which DH had been given for Xmas (and then failed to read/open) - Loved it and then gradually read them all in order - I say gradually...5 weeks of a newborn and I only have Night Hawks to go. Ruth & Nelsons relationship baffles me slightly (v trauma based) but I'm invested! (with a bit of a crush on Cathbad Blush)

Bloodybridget · 09/06/2021 02:46

@drinkingwineoutofamug I went into a charity bookshop today hoping to find an EG novel, and there was The Crossing Places just waiting for me! What luck, eh?

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Bloodybridget · 06/06/2021 19:35

@drinkingwineoutofamug thanks very much, I will try to read them in order now.

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Clawdy · 06/06/2021 15:43

I was always intrigued by Kate's child minder - Ruth was often hours late picking her up, or she'd take her round at weekends at the drop of a hat! Think the child minder is a saint!

drinkingwineoutofamug · 06/06/2021 08:44

You need to start at the being, before Ruth and nelson get together and she meets cathbad .
The crossing places
Janus stone
House at sea's end
Room full of bones
Dying fall
Outcast dead
Woman in blue
Chalk pit
Dark angel
Stone circle
Lantern men
Night hawks (total cliff hanger)

Brighton mysteries
Zig zag girl
Smoke and mirrors
Blood card
Vanishing box
Now you see them

The stranger diaries
Postscript murders

She has also written some children's books
And as Dominenica de Rosa written 3 books

Enjoy!

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