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Adam Kay's This is Going to Hurt

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musicalfrog · 13/05/2021 22:00

I haven't even finished the book yet but I'm getting more and more annoyed with him the further in I go. I didn't mind him initially but then the more he progresses in his career the more insufferable he gets!

Is he really such an arrogant *** or is he just writing for laughs? Whichever, I'm glad he's not a practicing doctor now, but unfortunately I recognise his attitude in a couple of doctors I had the misfortune to encounter during my first birth experience.

Just wondering if anyone else had the same reaction as me? I've not seen him on TV or anything, the book is all I have to go on.

Oh, and Mumsnet gets a mention a few chapters in!

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FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 25/05/2021 01:31

Then one page later blaming a woman for a failure to progress because she dared to have a birth plan

God yes I HATED the whole "silly women you can't plan a birth" nonsense.

Birth plans are important. And women aren't stupid; they know things can go wrong. But a birth plan, if nothing else, gives a woman the very important assurance that's she's in control and she's fully aware of what she wants for herself. I hate the concept of throwing birth plans out the window and just getting women to do as they're told in a painful and vulnerable state.

I cared for many women whose birth plans didn't go to plan and had birth injuries, some of which needed care weeks and months later. They would almost exclusively blame themselves. It broke my heart. But a big part of a HCP's job is to reassure their patient - and I always stressed they did nothing wrong at all, having a birth plan is the right thing to do and it not going they way they hoped is not a failure, but bad luck

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 25/05/2021 01:25

[quote MsOgyny]@daisyjgrey excellent point. If medics find it lighthearted compared to what THEY would be doing, saying, thinking, and all of us mere non-medics find Adam Kay appalling, I honestly dread to think what the medics I've come across when I've been vulnerable are laughing at about me and my situation. And what they're telling their medic friends and laughing about together. Sobering.

I often feel doctors need more training in compassion, but I kind of assumed that AK was up there with the worst. Seems not.[/quote]
Ex nurse here, I worked in a gynae ward and have posted on MN before how I eventually left because I was fed up of the misogyny and objectification of female patients, and when you're a lone wolf it's a losing battle.

I can assure you that, despite the sexism, I've never heard anyone laughing about a patient with a colleague - unless it was a funny "they told this great joke" kind of thing. It would not have been appropriate and this is one of the reasons I hated Kay's book

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 25/05/2021 01:16

I thought his book was pretty misogynistic, he spoke about women like they were just vessels. Did not sit well with me

BringMeTea · 24/05/2021 22:29

Yup. Misogynist who would never consider himself to be one. A nasty man.

StellaAndCrow · 19/05/2021 12:28

They keep getting worse - Menstrual Rag and Northern Birds are horrible, but Nothing At All is even worse.
And his song about a child with Down's Syndrome is just off the charts unspeakably horrible.

StellaAndCrow · 19/05/2021 12:22

However bad you expect the lyrics to his songs to be, they're much worse. The way he refers to women is shocking, and even if it's for laughs, that doesn't come from nowhere.
www.ouvirmusica.com.br/amateur-transplants/1490089/

Babdoc · 19/05/2021 08:46

As I mentioned earlier, many arrogant young registrars (and I include myself) have a medical disaster or near miss early in their career.
Most of us find our humility and become better doctors thereafter. We realise we are not God, that we cannot cure everything, and that mistakes happen.
Kay does not seem to be able to make that adjustment. He left medicine instead. I think that speaks volumes.

daisyjgrey · 19/05/2021 06:41

Plus, being a dr doesn't automatically make you a good one, or indeed, a good person.

ThePawtriarchy · 19/05/2021 02:37

I don’t think it’s saying that he didn’t care about his patients, but that he came across as thinking thought he knew best to the point of being dismissive, particularly of women’s health.

KarenMarlow3 · 19/05/2021 02:09

I thought it was really funny in places. I enjoyed it.

Cattenberg · 19/05/2021 01:02

The thing is, if Adam Kay hadn’t cared about his patients, wouldn’t he just have carried on working? After all, he was close to becoming a consultant and according to him, the consultants were well-paid and had an easy life.

However, Kay struggled to come to terms with a particular tragedy, especially due to the lack of support from the NHS. IIRC, he became too risk-averse and too quick to opt for caesarean deliveries. He felt he was no longer able to offer his patients the best care, so he resigned.

Bananalanacake · 18/05/2021 22:36

My brother gave me this for Christmas, will have to read it now.

daisyjgrey · 18/05/2021 22:20

@knightinshiningwhatever

Ive worked in acute medicine for a while and I think he's not misogynistic he's just a doctor dealing with a massive workload

Please rethink your career if you think this is an acceptable way to treat patients, regardless of the size of the workload.

You're dealing with humans. Not cars. Humans.

maryjosephandtheweedonkey · 18/05/2021 17:03

@knightinshiningwhatever

Ive worked in acute medicine for a while and I think he's not misogynistic he's just a doctor dealing with a massive workload
I think he’s both.

I also doubt it was the workload or environment that made him that way, he probably brought a lot of his attitudes with him.

BooblePlate · 18/05/2021 10:34

And AK did, in that sense, do the professionally responsible thing in the wnd. He didn’t have to write a “humorous” book about it though

BooblePlate · 18/05/2021 10:33

@knightinshiningwhatever

Ive worked in acute medicine for a while and I think he's not misogynistic he's just a doctor dealing with a massive workload
I think you need to get out of acute medicine then. If your massive workload is making you misogynistic you need to take professional responsibility and check whether you’re competent.
Fishandhips · 18/05/2021 08:59

@knightinshiningwhatever

Ive worked in acute medicine for a while and I think he's not misogynistic he's just a doctor dealing with a massive workload
How do his comments (which were written in retrospect when presumably he had time set aside to write his book) help him deal with his workload? He had also quite medicine when he wrote it.
Babdoc · 18/05/2021 08:55

knightinshiningwhatever, I was a hospital doctor for 36 years and I beg to differ.
My colleagues and I worked worse rotas than Kay with worse caseloads (84 hour shifts with no break, covering 100 surgical beds plus emergency admissions when newly qualified, for example) - we did not become misogynistic shits.

knightinshiningwhatever · 18/05/2021 00:08

Ive worked in acute medicine for a while and I think he's not misogynistic he's just a doctor dealing with a massive workload

RedFrogsRule · 17/05/2021 21:25

I hated the book. Wasn’t funny and completely arrogant & incompetent. No wonder he left the profession

ThePawtriarchy · 17/05/2021 21:19

Also, there’s a pretty reasonable chance she’ll have seen him being lauded for his bestseller book, to add insult to injury.

ThePawtriarchy · 17/05/2021 21:18

That woman must have felt desperate. Poor woman getting prescribed antidepressants vs a diagnosis and treatment for a gynecological medical condition. We’re not so far from women being treated for ‘wandering uterus’ here - ‘hysteria’ 😩

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandering_womb

KarensChoppyBob · 17/05/2021 20:49

What a male specimen eh? They're normally the type to create lyrics like that. Those Adonises.

I pretty much read that book in one afternoon while fairly inebriated on holiday and though there was some humour I remember cringing more than once e.g. the sponge/vagina thing. Vile.

Adam Kay's This is Going to Hurt
maryjosephandtheweedonkey · 17/05/2021 20:31

www.madbitches.club/journal/this-is-going-to-hurt
This is a good article about his entry on the woman experiencing pelvic pain and pretty much sums up why that bit was one of the entries I hated most from the book.
I’m glad to see a lot of responses on this thread in agreement about the misogyny in the book, as I said previously I really think it will date badly.

Cattenberg · 17/05/2021 20:24

I don’t have the book to hand, but if I remember rightly, he made a bigger surgical incision than necessary which decapitated the dolphin, then deliberately sewed up the wound in a way that meant the dolphin’s head no longer lined up with its body. I don’t think that was OK, even if the patient was racist and obnoxious.

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