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'Little Dorrit' readalong

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Piggywaspushed · 07/04/2021 12:36

Hello and welcome to our next proposed Dickensalong after the success of our previous readalongs!

On our previous thread I suggested our first month as commencing in April and convening on June 1st to discuss the first instalment : gives everyone time to get copies and get settled down.

Everyone is welcome! We always start with about 10 people and end up with about 5...

Instalments I have chosen follow Dickens' shorter 19 instalments (which were all exactly the same number of pages originally - that must have taken considerable planning and editing!) but come in pairs or trios:-
The novel comprises only two Books, which forces a break at a particular point, too.

May 2021 - Book One , Chapters 1-11
June - Chapters 12-18
July - Chapters 19-25
August - Chapters 26- 36
September - Book Two Chapters 1-11
October - Chapters 12-18
November - Chapters 19-26
December - Chapters 27 - 34

So finished by 2022. I think that suits reading speed of most.

Happy Reading!

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IsFuzzyBeagMise · 01/01/2022 21:57

I know, Desdemona! Only the Saintly Amy would joyfully send her inheritance up the chimney. And no, you certainly wouldn't see it happening in real life, only in literature Grin

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 01/01/2022 21:07

Thanks Fuzzy that makes sense now, although I'd have preferred Amy to get her due, inheritance wise. Somehow people always have higher principals in literature than stooping to filthy lucre Grin

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 01/01/2022 20:25

@Piggywaspushed

Oh I remember reading that but didn't know what it meant!
That's probably why I glossed over them Grin
Piggywaspushed · 01/01/2022 20:17

Oh I remember reading that but didn't know what it meant!

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IsFuzzyBeagMise · 01/01/2022 20:08

Ah!! Thank you, LadybirdDaphne. I think I glossed over those lines.
That seems cruel of Dickens. Poor Flora. As Desdemona said upthread, he could have given her a happy ending.

LadybirdDaphne · 01/01/2022 19:56

This is the pie bit: ‘…Flora got through the remainder of the day in perfect good humour; though occasionally embarrassed by the consequences of an idle rumour which circulated among the credulous infants of the neighbourhood, to the effect that an old lady had sold herself to the pie shop, to be made-up, and was then sitting in the pie-shop parlour, declining to complete her contract.’

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 01/01/2022 19:31

@DesdamonasHandkerchief

Aaargh lost my long post, so in brief: That's interesting ChessieFL re Flora, wicked of Dickens to base this overweight, twittery, buffoon of a character on Maria Beadnell the one he was glad 'got away'. How mortifying for her. I hope she didn't recognise herself in the depiction. And he didn't even have the good grace to give Flora her own happy ending! I'm grateful to all of you for the analysis which has helped get the plot dump of this final section straight in my head, although I'm still not absolutely sure how Rigaud/Blandois fit into the many plot strands he seemed to have a hand in Hmm Some very unhappy marriages on display - Pet stuck with despicable Gowan till death do them part, and Fanny in a 'no-nonsense' loveless (on her part at least) and now penniless marriage with the idiot Sparkler. At least Affrey got shot of the abusive Flintwinch and Arthur and Little Dorrit got their long overdue happy ever after, presumably Amy eventually gets her inheritance that was due to Frederick to make their lives easier.

I've enjoyed this read along immensely, many thanks as always to our leader Piggy for keeping us on the straight and narrow and leading the discussion.

Happy New Year to all and I look forward to this years challenge in the shape of Hard Times, of which I know precisely nothing!

Hi DesdemonasHandkerchief, as far as I know, Amy Dorrit burned the codicil in the fireplace before she left prison with Arthur. I think the happy couple lived modestly happily ever after. I'm open to correction if I'm wrong!
Piggywaspushed · 01/01/2022 17:42

You are very welcome! I rather like being called 'our leader'. I shall now, Napoleon like, insist on being referred to as 'our leader, comrade Piggy'.

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DesdamonasHandkerchief · 01/01/2022 17:20

Aaargh lost my long post, so in brief:
That's interesting ChessieFL re Flora, wicked of Dickens to base this overweight, twittery, buffoon of a character on Maria Beadnell the one he was glad 'got away'. How mortifying for her. I hope she didn't recognise herself in the depiction. And he didn't even have the good grace to give Flora her own happy ending!
I'm grateful to all of you for the analysis which has helped get the plot dump of this final section straight in my head, although I'm still not absolutely sure how Rigaud/Blandois fit into the many plot strands he seemed to have a hand in Hmm
Some very unhappy marriages on display - Pet stuck with despicable Gowan till death do them part, and Fanny in a 'no-nonsense' loveless (on her part at least) and now penniless marriage with the idiot Sparkler.
At least Affrey got shot of the abusive Flintwinch and Arthur and Little Dorrit got their long overdue happy ever after, presumably Amy eventually gets her inheritance that was due to Frederick to make their lives easier.

I've enjoyed this read along immensely, many thanks as always to our leader Piggy for keeping us on the straight and narrow and leading the discussion.

Happy New Year to all and I look forward to this years challenge in the shape of Hard Times, of which I know precisely nothing!

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 01/01/2022 10:03

Ha ha...that's funny. I'm another one who missed the pie-filling bit! I only knew the children were mocking Flora. I thought maybe because she was eating all the pies.

Happy New Year, everyone!

Piggywaspushed · 01/01/2022 09:33

you can all fill in everything

In this case, quite literally!

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ChessieFL · 01/01/2022 09:30

I also missed the pie-filling bit! This is why I love these threads, you can all fill in everything that’s gone completely over my head!

Piggywaspushed · 01/01/2022 07:38

Morningladybird! Happy New Year!

I didn't even notice the pie bit...

Grate review, Moral hypocrisy is certainly Mrs Clennam's defining feature. I actually liked the symbolism of the house collapse. Not as good as spontaneous combustion a la Bleak House though!

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LadybirdDaphne · 01/01/2022 07:33

Oops sorry didn't catch that you were discussing it yesterday! The ending was a bit convoluted and contrived (how very convenient for the house to fall down on Rigaud's head) and there were some dissatisfying loose ends - as others have said, it would have been much more satisfying if Arthur's real mother turned out to be a character we had already met in the course of the novel. Also, I had somehow convinced myself that Miss Wade's parentage was going to be significant (that she was either Arthur or Flora's illegitimate half-sister) but I was barking up the wrong tree there!

I liked the way that you can be fairly confident in Dickens that everyone's going to get their just deserts: Rigaud got squashed, Mrs Clennam had a stroke, Arthur and Amy got married, Doyce made his fortune abroad and Mr Pancks got better employment at Doyce and Clennam. (That said, he doesn't leave you with the illusion that it's a perfect world - the Circumlocution Office is still in full swing, and as Ferdinand Barnacle says, the next great swindler is just around the corner.)

Highlights of this section:

  • When the local children were convinced Mr F's Aunt had sold herself as pie-filling.
  • The psychological acuity of the portrait of Mrs Clennam as someone who uses their religiosity as an excuse to inflict vengeance and cruelty; someone who makes God in their own image. I wasn't expecting a Victorian writer to have this insight into the moral hypocrisy of (some of) his contemporaries.

Bring on Hard Times now. I'm swiftly becoming a Dickens fan!

Piggywaspushed · 31/12/2021 20:06

I got the Rigaud bit but not the Flintwinch's twin bit...

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IsFuzzyBeagMise · 31/12/2021 17:44

I read through the the final chapters twice to make sure I understood it. I've just checked out Wikipedia to see if I have actually grasped it.

So, Arthur's wealthy uncle felt remorseful about banishing Arthur's biological mother and left her a bequest and also gave a bequest to her patron, Frederick Dorrit, who took her in. This money was left to Amy Dorrit as he had no children and it was stipulated to be given to his youngest niece.

Apparently, Flintwinch's twin took in Arthur's mother. Also, Wikipedia suggests that Rigaud murdered the twin for the papers (I didn't get that at all! Did anyone else?!)

Yes. There was a lot going on and the reveal was slightly disappointing as Arthur's mother was not a character in the story. So, Amy Dorrit never disclosed the truth about his mother to Arthur, I don't think. At the close of the story, Mrs Clennam had a stroke, was paralyzed and lived for more three years. Amy promised to keep it a secret while she was alive.

Piggywaspushed · 31/12/2021 17:10

Yes, I was expecting that! I found the reveal confusing and had to resort to Shmoop.

The Casby humiliation was gratifying!

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ChessieFL · 31/12/2021 16:31

Great review Piggy. I don’t have that edition so missed some of the things pointed out in the introduction.

Was anyone else expecting to find out that Arthur’s real mother was one of the book’s female characters? As soon as it said that Mrs Clennam wasn’t his real mum I was trying to work out who would be. Also, what did happen to the money that should have gone to Frederick Dorris in the will?

I loved the showdown between Pancks and Casby where P cut C’s hair off! Very funny.

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 31/12/2021 14:35

Fantastic review, Piggy!! Well done.

I have that edition and found the introduction very interesting in the discussion of themes and imagery. It tied it all together brilliantly.

I loved the description of Mrs Clennam's long, frantic, tortuous walk to the Marshalsea and the ensuing scene between Mrs Clennam and Little Dorrit. Retribution and vengeance versus mercy and forgiveness. And goodness won.

It was no surprise that Little Dorrit renounced her inheritance and the trappings of money. She was always above it. Her character was the most consistent in the book, I thought. A walking saint, completely selfless and generous of spirit. Arthur by comparison, took a long time to mature and see what was in front of his nose (Amy Dorrit). He had a horrible childhood though, with that woman. Maybe he was emotionally stunted. I felt that the whole thing was rather sad. Mrs Clennam blighted all their lives with her narrow-minded religiosity.

I loved that Rigaud went up in blazes. Good riddance!

Flintwich's twin was an unexpected twist. Purely a plot contrivance. I really laughed at Flintwich's new Dutch name...Flyntevynge. I loved Dickens' ear for languages.

Poor Tattycoram returning to the Meagles. I felt she didn't have any choice though. She had to get away from Miss Wade.

On the honour's list; Mr. Meagles, Pancks, Doyce, Cavalletto, Frederick Dorrit, John Chivery, Flora, Affery.

People who should spend time in the Marshalsea; Casby, Flintwinch, Henry Gowan, Miss Wade, all the Barnacles.

Overall, I enjoyed the book and I'm glad I read it.
Thank you all for your company during the past few months! On to the next challenge!

JanglyBeads · 31/12/2021 14:25

(Sorry a occasional lurker here!)

This is really worth a listen although doesn't seem to be available at the moment, so I don't know if there's ANY way of doing that:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0001sxq

A modern day version of LD, involving high rise flats and evil landladies. It really captures the main characters.

Piggywaspushed · 31/12/2021 13:48

OK, well I will dive in and post my thoughts! This instalment was very long so I am probably forgetting the beginning bit which might even have included the surprise deaths. Poor Frederick. Sad

This is what I wrote yesterday:

Finished!

And what an interesting conclusion.

May I just point posters towards the excellent Wordsworth introduction by Peter Preston, if this is the edition you have, which articulates so well many of the themes and ideas of the novel and deals particularly thought provokingly with the frustrating plot of Miss Wade and Tattycoram, which I know has bothered so many of us.

It also points out the ‘Brtiannia’ figures in the novel (which I had not noticed, as illustrated satirically on the original frontispiece. Of particular note is Mrs Clennam, (nearly)always seated and presiding over her bitter world and, of course Messrs Merdle and Casby – and even Affery with her toasting fork! Here ,we also focus on grime and cleanliness , with the most morally corrupt character, Merdle, dying in a bath and Blandois reduced ( so dramatically!) to ashes. The grime of England – metaphorical and literal, is often pointed out. And what was with all the parentless children and twins?

The marriage of Little Dorrit and Arthur was inevitable. Orwell described Dickens’ endings as inevitably featuring a happy family, preferably their children, and a gravestone marking those lost on the way. This ending is definitely darker and more ambiguous. Meagles is lovable but no simple Mr Brownlow and the Circumlocution office still reigns – as Ferdinand warns :’the next man who has as large a capacity and as genuine a taste for swindling will succeed as well’. Doyce basically has to go abroad to be appreciated and corruption has only partly been challenged (sound familiar!?!)

I was so annoyed that Little Dorrit did not want to be Amy but I get it symbolically. She is a grown woman who has been infantilised but is strikingly mature , where Maggy is a physically grown woman frozen in childhood.
Anyway, I did find some rather lovely bits. First of all, I loved Miss Wade :
‘I thought you knew’, she interrupted with a smile, ‘that my good nature is not to be calculated upon.’ I may use that next time someone appeals to my ‘good nature’!

I loved John’s final ‘pillow inscription’ but before this did love the moment of realisation. What he (although authorial voice is interesting here - it could also be Dickens really, Or Arthur) thinks about LD is actually rather beautiful :
… she was its vanishing point. Everything in its perspective led to her innocent figure. He had travelled thousands of miles towards it ;… it was the centre of the interest of his life; it was the termination of everything that was good and pleasant in it; beyond there was nothing but mere waste , and darkened sky.’ Sob

This is the part of the book that says
Little Dorrit. Little Dorrit. Again, for hours. Always Little Dorrit
Lovely. And seems to capture the perspective of both Arthur and John.

So, John, ‘for the sake of the loved one’ , ‘became magnanimous’ . Dear blessed John! Silly Dickens to give the finest romantic prose to John, and not Arthur.

I enjoyed the novel well enough but did find the plots convoluted and the cavalcade of characters a bit much (Rugg? Tip? Meagles and Merdles? Plornishes? Nandy?) . I thought the themes of money, greed and decay were well done. Think I preferred it to Our Mutual Friend, but would put it well behind Bleak House for atmospheric claustrophobia and cutting edge style, and David Copperfield, which I just thought was joyous.

I ahve lsitened to Katie since and founfd what she said about Amy and her maturity and fight , her independence compared to earlier Dickens' women interesting, although I am not sure I entirely agree. She also has insightful comments about the characterisation of Arthur.

Thank you all for joining me on this readalong and keeping me company!

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InTheCludgie · 31/12/2021 13:32

I've not finished by a long shot so go ahead and discuss Grin

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 31/12/2021 12:57

Yes I was very naughty and finished in November!

Piggywaspushed · 31/12/2021 12:00

Oh , and at @LadybirdDaphne

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Piggywaspushed · 31/12/2021 11:59

OK, am tagging @DesdamonasHandkerchief @InTheCludgie to see if they are OK with that!

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