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Reading in French; 'Les Grandes Nouvelles Françaises du Vingtième Siècle'

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IsFuzzyBeagMise · 17/01/2021 10:29

This thread is a read-along thread for anyone who enjoys reading in French. All welcome.

We are going to start with a collection of short stories. The edition of the book is in French and English for side by side reading.

I don't know how to do links, but perhaps someone else could add the link onto my post.

Allons-y!

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IsFuzzyBeagMise · 30/01/2021 16:04

It's a short one Grin

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Taswama · 30/01/2021 15:55

Ok, I'd better get reading!

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 30/01/2021 15:41

Hi Taswama!

I think 'coachman' would have been more appropriate too, than 'driver'. I think the translation is a bit rough, though it is useful.

See you tomorrow to discuss 'Iceberg'!

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Taswama · 29/01/2021 18:57

Hello everyone!

I learnt the word 'cocher' but thought coachman would be better than driver as a translation. Will reread it as I read it a week before this thread started and have been meaning to find you.

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 24/01/2021 18:25

I also thought of a likeness to Mme Bovary.

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MaMaLa321 · 24/01/2021 18:01

It made me think of Colette, who was also writing at the time. She wrote
'They are numerous, those barely nubile girls who dream of being the spectacle, the plaything, the erotic masterpiece of an older man. It's an ugly desire that they expiate by fulfilling'
Do we gain something by reading it in French? I think it makes me concentrate a lot more that I would do if it was in English.
It is interesting to see the translation. At the top of page 18, 'c'est le dernier age qu'elle a donne de cet amour' becomes 'he is the last age that she gave from this true love'. which seems a bit 'off'. I would have thought it would be something like ' he is the last result/evidence'.
Is there a better translation for 'cerne' than 'marked (referring to her eyes. My dictionary says it means 'dark ringed'.
It's also interesting that 'dogaresse' becomes 'duchesse', when the author , given the location, meant a female doge. Which I believe was used by the author to indicate her naivety (i.e. there's no such thing as a female doge)
I enjoyed reading it, the evocation of the little park, so near the station. And Eliane? Well, I'm not sure if the author sympathises with her. It's almost as though he's dissecting her, mentally.
She makes me think of a little Madame Bovary. Interestingly enough, I can't think of a comparable figure in fiction from other countries.

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 24/01/2021 10:29
  1. 'Portrait d'Eliane à quatorze ans' by Valéry Larbaud.

This short story is about the fantasies and desires of a young girl who is impatient for the freedom of adulthood. She visits a park with her mother and baby brother and makes eye contact with a young man in the park and she feels satisfied; 'j'aime et je suis aimée'.

Although this story was published in 1908, the experience of loneliness as a teenager is still relevant today. Eliane doesn't get on with her mother. Her mother is critical of her in company and calls her a fool, with her head in the clouds.

This story is very different in style to the previous one. It is long and meandering with very little action, but the thoughts of Eliane herself. The author is sympathetic to her.

Personally, I preferred the first story in the collection, but I can appreciate why this story could have made an impact at the time it was published as teenage fantasies especially for girls, was a taboo subject.

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IsFuzzyBeagMise · 17/01/2021 20:34

It was no bother, MaMaLa321. Yes, we can come back to this any time during the week. We'll aim to discuss the next short story for next Sunday.

The anti-Jewish sentiment was cleverly introduced, I agree. I think the mob was looking for its next target. They were baying for blood and they turned their attention to her, as she wasn't one of them and she didn't give them what she wanted.
The author has a scathing view of mob mentality.

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MaMaLa321 · 17/01/2021 17:27

thank you for setting this up IsFuzzyBeagMise

Yes, I found that last sentence problematic, even in english. I shall have another look at it and a think. Looking back briefly, it was interesting that the lady was 'toutes fremissante', which I would have put as 'she was all shudders'. Rather more emphatic.

I thought the anti Jewish feeling was very cleverly introduced.

I find, when I'm reading french, that it all goes very fluently, then I'm brought up short by it becoming more complex, and I have to stop and unpick it. This happened, oddly enough, when the action started.

I love the word grellotants.

I will come back to this as the week goes by, if that's OK.

highlandcoo I'd be interested to hear where else the translation falls short.

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 17/01/2021 17:10

I took it literally, that it was a woman in the crowd who attacked the beggar and tore at his face. I think it serves to compare the barbarity of this woman with the compassion of la dame.

The English text was useful. I wouldn't have grasped the finer details such as the various delicacies in the shop window, for example. As you say, highlandcoco it isn't a smooth translation, but it's a useful aid all the same.

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highlandcoo · 17/01/2021 15:59

Yes, it's interesting that when la dame is introduced to the story, she is described as well respected in the town (where she spends the winter to escape Paris) because of the money she spends there. The narrator then goes on to describe her as seen as independent by the prejudiced townspeople and finishes " And, was she not married to a Jew?"

We see, as soon as the theft occurs, how very quick the crowd are to scream and to hate. "Quarante poings" and "Vingt bouches" .. they are not even described as human beings at this point, but body parts.

Le commisaire is less concerned about the victim of the attempted theft than "Le bon renom de la ville" et "le respect". He cares about the town's - and his own - reputation above all else.

As soon as la dame's refusal to press charges against le mendicant becomes clear, the crowd turn their hate upon her. So did they always resent and despise her, and hate her for having a Jewish husband, or are they frustrated because their desire for vengeance on the beggar has been thwarted? Are they just looking for someone to hate?

As I said on the prevous thread, the English version of the story does not read smoothly as a translation. It's useful as a dictionary; no more than that. So the last phrase took a little working out for me. Does it mean:

pursued by the jeers of the crowd from whose claws and fangs the small hand of a woman had just torn free some human flesh

Interested to hear others' opinions

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 17/01/2021 10:49

1: 'Paysage de Foule' by Octave Mirabeau.

I thought that this was very good. It was short, but it packed a punch in the space of its four pages.

Characters in the story are la dame, le mendiant, le cocher, le commissaire de police and la foule.

We get the strong impression that the narrator does not approve of the crowd who only speak in disjointed, repetitive phrases, 'au voleur!...au voleur!...'quoi?...quoi?...'They are a mindless, malevolent mob.

This contrasts with la dame, who is the only person to defend the beggar. She is described positively as someone who cares for the less well-off and who can think for herself and who isn't influenced by the mentality of the mob; 'un souci de vivre pour elle et non pour les autres'.

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