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Our Mutual Friend Readalong

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Piggywaspushed · 04/08/2020 16:07

As discussed on the previous Davis Copperfield Readalong, I hope some of us are eager to start Our Mutual Friend!

This is quite a complex one to break up. As usual, Dickens published in 19 monthly instalments but this one has 4 'Books' .

It is split up as follows:

BOOK THE FIRST: THE CUP AND THE LIP
I – May 1864 (chapters 1–4);
II – June 1864 (chapters 5–7);
III – July 1864 (chapters 8–10);
IV – August 1864 (chapters 11–13);
V – September 1864 (chapters 14–17).
BOOK THE SECOND: BIRDS OF A FEATHER
VI – October 1864 (chapters 1–3);
VII – November 1864 (chapters 4–6);
VIII – December 1864 (chapters 7–10);
IX – January 1865 (chapters 11–13);
X – February 1865 (chapters 14–16).
BOOK THE THIRD: A LONG LANE
XI – March 1865 (chapters 1–4);
XII – April 1865 (chapters 5–7);
XIII – May 1865 (chapters 8–10);
XIV – June 1865 (chapters 11–14);
XV – July 1865 (chapters 15–17).
BOOK THE FOURTH: A TURNING
XVI – August 1865 (chapters 1–4);
XVII – September 1865 (chapters 5–7);
XVIII – October 1865 (chapters 8–11);
XIX-XX – November 1865 [chapters 12–17 (Chapter the Last)].

4 instalments is feasible but might be too much for those of us working/ reading other books/child or DP wrangling/ insert other reason.

Therefore, I would suggest 8 instalments, splitting each book in two somehow?

That would take us to March 2021 and then we can pretend 2020 never existed.

Up for it? Thoughts?

Looking forward to it! All usual suspects and newcomers welcome.

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DesdamonasHandkerchief · 03/12/2020 16:22

Some random thoughts:
I am also glad that Rokesmith has been unmasked as John Harmon, the universe has been conspiring against me to ensure this fact was spoilered from an early stage (I hope I would have worked it out by now though!).
I have also been reading chapter summaries as I go along, on a website called Shmoop, they don't contain spoilers but I did manage to briefly open up a book summary by accident that told me, before I realised what it was, who Rokesmith actually was.
On top of that the DVD I bought listed actor Steven Mackintosh as John Harmon and on top of that a question in a recent University Challenge was, 'How is John Harmon described in the title of a Dickens Novel?' After all that I'd have been pretty pissed off if Rokesmith's true identity had been the big reveal that the books climax relied upon for dramatic effect.

Bella is insufferable, and is quite clearly Harmon's love interest, why?
All she has to recommend her is a pretty face, how shallow Harmon must be if that's the only attraction. I'm assuming she's going to become a better person over the course of the book and overcome her desire to marry rich because of her love for 'Rokesmith' only to discover he's actually Harmon and as rich as Croesus.

I had assumed Headstone was a goodie and Eugene a baddie but it would seem that Headstone isn't so good, I should have guessed from the name Dickens is never subtle on that score.

Lizzie's brother Charlie is an ungrateful little scroat isn't he? Hopefully he's going to see the error of his ways before too long.

Rogue Riderhood is aka Roger Riderhood, the nasty piece of work who used to be the partner of Lizzie's father, Gaffer Hexham. Gaffer broke ties with Riderhood because he was robbing the living as well as the dead thus overstepping the mark in Gaffer's eyes.
Riderhood tries to frame Gaffer for murder. He suggests to the land lady of their local pub that Gaffer is helping the cadavers he finds in the river end up that way with a blow to the head - getting them both banned in the process.
He subsequently visits Lawyer Lightwood to swear an affidavit or 'Alfred David' as he has it, that Gaffer told him he'd committed the murder of John Harmon.

I was tickled by this bit suggesting that high society is jealous of the Lammles imaginary house. Now their friends actual houses seem shabby to their eyes by comparison 😊
“Mr and Mrs Lammle's house in Sackville Street, Piccadilly, was but a temporary residence. It has done well enough, they informed their friends, for Mr Lammle when a bachelor, but it would not do now. So, they were always looking at palatial residences in the best situations, and always very nearly taking or buying one, but never quite concluding the bargain. Hereby they made for themselves a shining little reputation apart. People said, on seeing a vacant palatial residence, 'The very thing for the Lammles!' and wrote to the Lammles about it, and the Lammles always went to look at it, but unfortunately it never exactly answered. In short, they suffered so many disappointments, that they began to think it would be necessary to build a palatial residence. And hereby they made another shining reputation; many persons of their acquaintance becoming by anticipation dissatisfied with their own houses, and envious of the non-existent Lammle structure. The handsome fittings and furnishings of the house in Sackville Street were piled thick and high over the skeleton up-stairs, and if it ever whispered from under its load of upholstery, 'Here I am in the closet!' it was to very few ears, and certainly never to Miss Podsnap's.”

Jenny Wren is a total caricature, with her 'tricks and manners'.

ChessieFL · 03/12/2020 13:29

That’s a good idea Fortuna (the notes that is, not giving up Dickens!).

FortunaMajor · 03/12/2020 12:37

I'm using the grade saver notes as a quick summary of each chapter and which character is doing what to keep me on track. It's a really useful and basic look at what has happened to remind me what I have read and who is who. I'd be even more lost without it.

This one is hard and doing nothing for my Dickens aversion. I think this may be my last Dickens everfor a while.

Piggywaspushed · 03/12/2020 06:53

I feel lie I do when I am watching The Bridge : like 'who on earth is that now?? Have we even heard of them ??'

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ChessieFL · 02/12/2020 07:43

I also hope we don’t get more new characters - it’s confusing enough trying to remember the ones we already have! Just remembered my copy has a character list at the front so I’ll have a look later to see if there are any names we haven’t seen yet.

FortunaMajor · 01/12/2020 20:57

I'd say you need to get out more Piggy, but... pandemic. Grin

I am hoping these great leaps forward in plot continue and there are no new introductions. I was getting really annoyed that something so heavily hinted at was then being ignored regarding Rokesmith, especially when so little else seemed to be going on. I'm wondering at the motivation to have such an obvious twist, whether it was to maintain interest through a long lot of dull set up or if there was some other master plan?

Given that nearly everyone is very preoccupied with money and rank it really stands out that Rokesmith/Harmon is so willing to give up a fortune. The way marriage is treated by other characters it sticks out like a sore thumb that he is willing to trade great fortune for more noble attitudes.

I have no love for Bella at this point, she's quite mercenary to those around her. It's interesting to see how important marriage was for prospects for those with a chance to move up in society. She is in a very fortunate position to be so choosy although I am at a loss as to her appeal.

Piggywaspushed · 01/12/2020 20:53

Oh yes, he definitely has a thing for hair! And strange small people.

I am also tickled by the name Rogue Riderhood. No idea who he is though.

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ChessieFL · 01/12/2020 20:47

I liked these chapters because everything started to come together for me. I now understand what links most of the characters together and it’s all making much more sense now! The Veneerings chapter felt a bit jarring though, didn’t really fit with the others I had just read.

Dickens does like to use hair almost as another character, doesn’t he? I remember Traddles’ hair in David Copperfield illustrating his mood and we had the same again here with Pleasure Riderhood (fab name BTW) and her hair that kept falling down as she got upset.

Piggywaspushed · 01/12/2020 14:10

Every so often when I m reading, I think 'that would be good for an A Level unseen passage'. Such are the sad thoughts of teachers. I thought this throughout reading Headstone's proposal. Only bettered in awkwardness by Casaubon's letter in Middlemarch!

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Okki · 01/12/2020 13:45

Hello all. I'm sooooo behind. Hoping to catch up over Christmas.

Just wanted to let you know OMF is the daily deal on Audible today for £2.99

FortunaMajor · 01/12/2020 13:25

Drive by comment until I have time later.

The main thing that stood out for me was the attitudes towards marriage and roles of women.

Agree it was about time the biggest plot twist that never was regarding Rokesmith was revealed so things can move forward. It was so heavily hinted it was hanging over the whole book so far.

Hopefully that's all of the characters set up so we can get on with some plot.

InMyOwnParticularIdiom · 01/12/2020 13:14

Yes, we have seen Riah before - he is being exploited by horrid Fledgeby who makes him run a money-lending shop.

I'm glad the true identity of Rokesmith has been revealed, as that seemed so obvious that I didn't see how Dickens could drag the revelation out any longer.

My favourite bit in this segment was the scene where Headstone proposes to Lizzie. It was a masterclass in using language to show character. Headstone was all about showing off how marvellous everyone thinks he is, while deriding Lizzie as his 'ruin' Hmm

ChessieFL · 01/12/2020 13:05

I will be back later today with my thoughts!

Piggywaspushed · 01/12/2020 08:56

Well, things did begin to pick up pace, didn’t they? Revelations and intrigue: although sometimes I wasn’t sure who was who enough to be fully intrigued! All these Riderhoods and Weggs and various other supporting cast confuse me. This novel typifies what people mean when they call the dramatis personae of a book or TV series 'Dickensian'!

I have questions… what are Wrayburn’s intentions? Good egg or bad egg? And Mrs Lammle’s change of heart? Have we met the kindly Jewish Riah before? He is an antidote to Fagin, for sure. And , oh, isn’t Headstone deliciously slighted and malicious? He’ll be back. Where has Lizzie gone?

I was sighing at a Veneering chapter but do find its nastiness and bitchiness quite ‘modern and humorous’ in some ways. Like a bitchy it crowd in some TV drama. Still don’t know who most of them are. Like the idea of a WMP , full of self importance, hanging on to her DH's status, like a few MNers I won't mention! I do think the novel has some interesting things to say about women and marriage and proposals of marriage , dependence and independence.

I am proud that I (think I ) spotted Dickens’ offering up a Robert Burns allusion : ‘Say, little feeble grey personage, what thoughts are in thy breast today…?’ Dickens and his words, though! What on earth is ‘deglutition’?? I liked his curly brackets: very whimsical indeed!

I enjoyed this section more. I feel stuff happened.

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Piggywaspushed · 30/11/2020 20:18

Oh , don't worry terpsichore. The business of life and death gets in the way somewhat sometimes. Concentrate on you .

I was just checking in to say I have written my comment already ready to paste in tomorrow at some point. Hopefully I will remember. This thread keeps annoyingly disappearing on me!

I actually wrote stuff happened in my notes Grin

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Terpsichore · 30/11/2020 13:23

Oh dear, I've definitively fallen off the readalong, I'm afraid. So sorry Piggy but I'm still struggling after bereavement and while I'm getting back to reading I just can't seem to concentrate on anything long and complex.

I promise myself I'll re-read OMF one of these days Sad

FortunaMajor · 29/11/2020 17:39

Did mine today too. Something has happened at last!

ChessieFL · 29/11/2020 17:33

Nearly finished my chapters for this month, one to go!

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 12/11/2020 21:35

Good idea! I should make notes as I'm reading really!

Piggywaspushed · 12/11/2020 18:22

Maybe write your thoughts des and save them?

I did that one month and then copy and pasted them in!

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ChessieFL · 12/11/2020 18:04

I always leave reading mine until the end of the month so they’re still fresh in my mind for the discussion. I just have to be careful not to leave it too late so I’m not rushing!

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 12/11/2020 17:36

I'm enjoying OMF, to date not as much as Great Expectations or David Copperfield, but that may change as we go on.
I could certainly do without the Twemlow chapters however which still feel like a Dickens parody.
I'm in the same boat as pp Idiom who struggles to stop reading at the designated spot each month. I finished my November chapters some time ago and am now itching to discuss them, however I may have forgotten what I wanted to say by 1st December, I need to learn the art of deferred gratification and spread them out a bit more!

ChessieFL · 08/11/2020 14:24

Thanks Piggy

Piggywaspushed · 08/11/2020 12:46

Just to clarify, we are reading to the end of Book Two folks for discussion beginning December!

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