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Our Mutual Friend Readalong

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Piggywaspushed · 04/08/2020 16:07

As discussed on the previous Davis Copperfield Readalong, I hope some of us are eager to start Our Mutual Friend!

This is quite a complex one to break up. As usual, Dickens published in 19 monthly instalments but this one has 4 'Books' .

It is split up as follows:

BOOK THE FIRST: THE CUP AND THE LIP
I – May 1864 (chapters 1–4);
II – June 1864 (chapters 5–7);
III – July 1864 (chapters 8–10);
IV – August 1864 (chapters 11–13);
V – September 1864 (chapters 14–17).
BOOK THE SECOND: BIRDS OF A FEATHER
VI – October 1864 (chapters 1–3);
VII – November 1864 (chapters 4–6);
VIII – December 1864 (chapters 7–10);
IX – January 1865 (chapters 11–13);
X – February 1865 (chapters 14–16).
BOOK THE THIRD: A LONG LANE
XI – March 1865 (chapters 1–4);
XII – April 1865 (chapters 5–7);
XIII – May 1865 (chapters 8–10);
XIV – June 1865 (chapters 11–14);
XV – July 1865 (chapters 15–17).
BOOK THE FOURTH: A TURNING
XVI – August 1865 (chapters 1–4);
XVII – September 1865 (chapters 5–7);
XVIII – October 1865 (chapters 8–11);
XIX-XX – November 1865 [chapters 12–17 (Chapter the Last)].

4 instalments is feasible but might be too much for those of us working/ reading other books/child or DP wrangling/ insert other reason.

Therefore, I would suggest 8 instalments, splitting each book in two somehow?

That would take us to March 2021 and then we can pretend 2020 never existed.

Up for it? Thoughts?

Looking forward to it! All usual suspects and newcomers welcome.

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Piggywaspushed · 05/01/2021 21:29

Just to confirm, we are reading to the end of Book the third in January!

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Defaultname · 05/01/2021 00:55

@ChessieFL

I also didn’t notice Riderhood!

I agree that Betty dying in Lizzie’s garden was a bit too coincidental but I still found it sad!

While I've read all the novels at least once-bar Two Cities-I've only been an interested onlooker with this and the Expectations thread, and I've been enjoying it.

Has the unfinished (and endingless) murder mystery Edwin Drood been tackled yet? Now that would be interesting!

The comment about coincidence had me searching for what I thought was a Dickens quote:

The most incredible thing about miracles is that they happen. A few clouds in heaven do come together into the staring shape of one human eye. A tree does stand up in the landscape of a doubtful journey in the exact and elaborate shape of a note of interrogation. I have seen both these things myself within the last few days. Nelson does die in the instant of victory; and a man named Williams does quite accidentally murder a man named Williamson; it sounds like a sort of infanticide. In short, there is in life an element of elfin coincidence.

but turns out to be by Chesterton, who was a fan of CD.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 04/01/2021 20:31

Thank you Fortuna Grin 😇

FortunaMajor · 04/01/2021 19:13

That's some impressive forensic reading there Des. Cracking spot.

A lot of stuff goes straight over my head as I seem to spend ages trying to remember who was who. I struggle reading with such big gaps between, which is completely my own fault.

Piggywaspushed · 04/01/2021 18:29

Oh, thanks : all I got about Venus and Wegg was a load of rolling about somewhere with a box??

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DesdamonasHandkerchief · 04/01/2021 18:02

Venus is the guy who owns the weird shop and is in league with Wegg to steal from Boffin and he's is also in love with Pleasant Riderhood, but she has rejected him. Although that musing about him being a 'Goody' more properly belongs to January's chapters Blush which I'm just about to finish - I'm always super keen!
Sorry that I'm so hard hearted about poor Betty but her reason for taking off to roam the streets without money seemed so ridiculous, wasn't it so that Sloppy would settle down with the Boffins (or did I get that wrong?) - surely there were less extreme ways of achieving that aim? It all seemed so preventable.

ChessieFL · 04/01/2021 17:00

I also didn’t notice Riderhood!

I agree that Betty dying in Lizzie’s garden was a bit too coincidental but I still found it sad!

Piggywaspushed · 04/01/2021 15:50

I am v confused as to who Venus is , have to say! Blush

Excellent summary and -no - I did not notice Riderhood! Blush again

The Betty death was quite mawkish but I did think it was tempered with some genuine political anger.

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DesdamonasHandkerchief · 04/01/2021 13:58

I enjoyed the 10 chapters we read this month, once again finding it difficult to stop reading.

As recommended I made some notes whilst I was reading:

Sorry to disagree with Chessie but:
Chapter 8: Dickens at his worst! The death of Betty Higden is overly sentimental, mawkish and drawn out. Also relies upon the ridiculous coincidence of Lizzie Hexam finding the dying woman. So many of Dickens plots are overly reliant on coincidence for their impetus.
Reminded me of the Oscar Wilde quote:
‘One would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at the death of Little Nell’

Did anyone else notice that The Deputy Lock who robbed Betty of her last few counts under the pretext of not shipping her off to the poor house was none other than our old friend Riderhood? He told Bradley Headstone of his temporary post earlier in the book.
‘And it chanced so with me,' said Riderhood. 'But I don't mind telling you how. Why should I mind telling you? I'm a Deputy Lock-keeper up the river, and I was off duty yes'day, and I shall be on to-morrow.'
He also made mention of an 'Alfred David' during his conversation with Betty which was what turned me detective.
Maybe this was blindingly obvious to everyone else but I felt absurdly pleased with myself at spotting the link!

Eugene Wrayburn is very flippant in his tormenting of Bradley Headstone. Lots of foreshadowing of a tragic event going on there me things. Lightwater can’t sleep for thinking about BH’s dreadful face where as EW is bothered not a jot.

The redemption of Bella W continues apace, what good fortune that her character will soon mirror her countenance for loveliness!

Mrs Lammales Damescen conversion takes an abrupt downturn when are espies that Bella is seemingly as mercenary as herself.

Venus a goodie suddenly?

Piggywaspushed · 03/01/2021 10:31

Ha, yes, let's send Lizzie over there!

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MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 03/01/2021 09:58

I agree, and I think it shows that this written by a much more mature and experienced author than Great Expectations.

I love Lizzie's responses to Headstone's proposal:

'"Mr Headstone,' returned Lizzie, with a burning face, 'it is cowardly in you to speak to me in this way. But it makes me able to tell you that I do not like you, and that I never have liked you from the first, and that no other living creature”
has anything to do with the effect you have produced upon me for yourself.'”

I think many a poster on the relationships board could take a leaf out of her book.

Piggywaspushed · 03/01/2021 07:20

Despite what some people say about Dickens drawing simpering and not as interesting female characters, a lot of his female characters are drawn with far more detail and grit than he is given credit for . There is him in TOTOC, yes, and Pip in GE has never interested me plus whathisface in Bleak House (the young good looking one) : he is rather vapid, too!

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Piggywaspushed · 01/01/2021 21:54

I imagine Eugene as terribly good looking and hard to not be attracted to. An entitled type.

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Indigosalt · 01/01/2021 21:41

Checking in after falling hideously behind last month Blush

I'm back into it now and interested to see how the Bella and Lizzie plotlines develop. Still can't make my mind up about Wrayburn!

Piggywaspushed · 01/01/2021 20:10

Yes, mine too. My mum was an equally awful cook.

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LadybirdDaphne · 01/01/2021 19:41

I am just about old enough (late 30s) to get the Butterflies reference, but it's something my mum used to watch really!

Piggywaspushed · 01/01/2021 14:11

Me too!

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ChessieFL · 01/01/2021 14:06

Oh yes, that cooking scene was hilarious! Funnily enough I was watching an episode of Butterflies the other day...

Piggywaspushed · 01/01/2021 13:32

Ha! I'd forgotten the disastrous cooking! It was like Ria from Butterflies , if you are old enough!

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LadybirdDaphne · 01/01/2021 13:26

The reader formerly known as Idiom here!

I rattled through this month's chapters and enjoyed seeing some of the plot strands come together (eg Lizzie gets linked up with Bella and Rokesmith). Bella is getting more sympathetic as she reflects on the effect of wealth on Mr Boffin's character and his treatment of Rokesmith, and her relationship with her father makes me laugh. My favourite bit was when she tried to cook the chickens:

"'But what,'said Bella... 'makes them pink inside, I wonder, Pa! Is it the breed?'
"'No, I don't think it's the breed, my dear,' returned Pa. 'I rather think it is because they are not done.'
"'They ought to be,' said Bella.
"'Yes, I'm aware they ought to be, my dear,' rejoined her father, 'but they--ain't.'"

Piggywaspushed · 01/01/2021 12:59

Oh they should!

I also meant to mention Dickens' stand against anti semitism which I found rather warming. I like the bit with the worried vicar's wife having to go and reassure herself that no osmotic radicalisation had occurred!

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MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 01/01/2021 11:51

Good morning! Happy new year!

(Thanks for the welcome piggy Xmas Grin).

I'm still behind, but have read it a couple of times before, and - although my memory is patchy - I broadly remember the various arcs & resolutions.

The Boffins Books Bit is marvellous, and feels particularly apt today. So many plans, hopes and expectations! So much lovely, naive optimism!

One thing I've found particularly interesting is my shift in attitude towards the Lizzie-Charley relationship, as I - ahem - mature in years.

I mean, obviously, he's a bit of an odious little squit, but he's right to be concerned about her relationship with Eugene. I think I was in my early twenties when I first read it, and was Team Eugene, but now I just think they should all just bloody leave her alone.

Piggywaspushed · 01/01/2021 11:05

I guess it is setting us up for the final chapters of Book The Third?

Oddly enough I found this part less bitty!

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FortunaMajor · 01/01/2021 10:51

I definitely smiled about the books.

A bit of an about face on Bella, she really wasn't liked at the end of the previous part.

It will be interesting to see what comes of the will situation.

I feel like this part was another setting up section rather than moving things forward. I don't know if it's installment related but it feels like a very oddly paced book.

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