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Writers please help me - I can't think of a good title!

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Kathyis6incheshigh · 18/09/2007 11:21

OK so I have been working like a maniac and have nearly finished my second draft. Several friends have read my first three chapters and the alterations I need to make as a result of that are manageable.

But my title is utter shit.

I have surfed the net, trawled through dictionaries of quotations and read relevant poetry, come up with something reasonable only to find it had already been used a million times before.

My question is: would I be stupid to try to get an agent if I don't have an eye-catching title? Or wouldn't it matter given that all the how-to-write books say that publishers often change titles anyway?

And does anyone have any good tips on how to think of one?

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Kathyis6incheshigh · 20/09/2007 15:32

Oh I've just discovered 'Wrecked' has been done twice in recent years, once in 2001 by Robert Swindells and once in 2005 by E.R.Frank. What a pity.

Thanks everyone for good wishes - I will definitely be posting if anything comes of it! But it may take a while.

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UnquietDad · 20/09/2007 14:19

Good luck with it, Kathy. Let us know how you get on.

casbie · 19/09/2007 09:30

I say go for it, you've only got Pride to take a knocking, they're not judging you personally.

And you might get good feedback about what they would accept!

SparklePop · 19/09/2007 08:06

Anyway, Kathy, even if it is hard to get published - why shouldn't yours be one of the ones that do?

Casbie you lucky person - toy designer - what a cool job! I always wanted to be a toy buyer (am in Buying but not that area)

Kathyis6incheshigh · 18/09/2007 21:05

Slowreader - after that other thread where people gave me advice about it, it looked like there were good reasons to go either way. Then I went through the Writers' Handbook and there actually seemed to be very few that will look at manuscripts of novels for children unsolicited, so I may end up trying a few publishers but agents as well. (And not submit simultaneously to start with, but if everyone seems to be taking ages to get back to me I will rethink.)

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filthymindedvixen · 18/09/2007 18:58

I like oceanspace - now I have a little context to work with.

Ocean's Pace would make a good title for an Anita Shreve market...

slowreader · 18/09/2007 18:54

Good luck, it is not always that hard to get published!
Are you sending it out to agents or a publisher?

Kathyis6incheshigh · 18/09/2007 18:16

OK I've printed synopsis etc out with 'Oceanspace' as the title and it does look plausible. I can always send it off with 'Wrecked' if it comes back as it is fairly certain to do.

Sea Fever is a chicklit novel set in the glamorous world of yacht racing, apparently - sort of Jilly Cooper but with extra moisture.

It's also a Keeping Up Appearances video.

Otherwise it is indeed good, just doesn't quite work for me as the feverish stuff happens on the island rather than at sea. (Sorry, I know I'm horribly hard to please.)

LOL @ Casbie being a toy designer - must say it is pretty cool to get advice from someone who makes up names for toys! I do like Mumsnet!

I'm also excited, Sparklepop. Despite reading all UnquietDad's healthy-dose-of-reality threads about how hard it is to get published. I'm just happy to have got this far with it.

Will keep you all updated, promise.

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casbie · 18/09/2007 16:46

no i work as a toy designer, and often having to make up silly names for products...

it all relative though. you need something specific to your story.

i would put 'Oceanspace', as working title, watch for repsonse under S P Smyth and see how you do. Post it off.

Then, try something like 'Seafever' written by Real Name, and see how that does.

I think more often then not publishers are looking for a certain type of book, a certain type of reader. From what your suggesting your book is like try 'Chicken House', 'Bloomsbury' (of course) and 'Penguin' publishing houses. This is just from a reader's perspective, though. Write to the publishers of your choosen genre and hope for a response.

SparklePop · 18/09/2007 16:33

I'm liking Seafever too, Casbie, you are excellent at titles!!! Do you work in advertising?? "Seafever" hints at mystery, desperation, intrigue and darkness to me. Perhaps backstabbing too of some kind. In-fighting maybe. Hmmmm!

witchandchips · 18/09/2007 16:30

oceanspace is great

casbie · 18/09/2007 16:28

love that poetic reference...

my fav is Seafever...

that's a good title too!

SparklePop · 18/09/2007 16:26

I think it's possible to combine quality and well-written with cool. Quality writing will always speak for itself but the title and jacket must have "kerb appeal" to the target market to help potential customers select it in the first place. People really DO judge books by their cover!

Oceanspace fits really well if it's quoted within the book. Especially if you dream up an exceptionally good strapline which encapsulates the "real-life" wreck situation within, thus eliminating any assumption of fantasy.

Ooh, I'm getting excited for you! Be sure to keep us updated on how it goes!!

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Kathyis6incheshigh · 18/09/2007 16:12

target market - yes, girls and boys. Male narrator, lots of action and adventure for the boys, strong female characters and a soupcon of romance for the girls. Not that I'm stereotyping or anything.

LOL at the Darryl-from-Coronation-Street test!

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Kathyis6incheshigh · 18/09/2007 16:07

Gosh, all these posts - thanks so much guys!
Have been getting on with it and pondering.

There are some really good suggestions here and some brilliant explanations of why some work and others don't.

I think SparklePop is spot on about why The Shipwreck isn't good, and others might work better. At this stage I'm trying to catch the attention of an agent so something teens will think cool does make me look more clued up - The Shipwreck would make it look as if I wasn't really aware of what was going on in publishing for the age group. I wrote it 100% for me and didn't try to be cool - I have tried to make it good and well-written rather than to make it cool - but packaging it as cool seems well worth doing. (Not that it's not cool )

I like 'wrecked' more than 'beached', though beached is deffo good, because bearing in mind what people have said about using words from within the text, the characters do talk about being 'wrecked' but don't talk about being 'beached.' Also, although it is not a major theme, alcohol may have just been slightly involved in the wreck happening. Plus there are wrecked relationships as a result of it.

The only thing that does make me wince a bit with 'wrecked' is it sounds a bit like I'm trying to be all Melvin Burgessy and writing about drugs etc when frankly it is more Swallows and Amazons than Junk. (though cool Swallows and Amazons, obviously).

What I like about Oceanspace is that it kind of adds something to the atmosphere, the sense of the hugeness of the Pacific. Space, distance, is a theme even before the wreck happens and after they are off the island.
The north American associations of 'ocean' are good because one of the families is American. It's from a Robert Service poem called The Three Voices - 'The waves tell of ocean spaces,
Of hearts that are wild and brave,
Of populous city places,
Of desolate shores they lave,
Of men who sally in quest of gold,
To sink in an ocean grave'
One of the characters quotes the odd poem from time to time and this sounds like her taste, too!
But I am worried about the 'sounds like fantasy' aspect of it.

PMSL @ Witchandchips' suggestions

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SparklePop · 18/09/2007 16:02

PS - My favourite title was a little known one also around at the time of My Best Fiend and The Bogwoppit, called...

drum roll again....

"Mum, You're Fired!"

My sister and I would often cheekily read it following an argument or telling off from our own mum. In full view of her.

SparklePop · 18/09/2007 16:00

I LOVED that My Best Fiend too, Casbie! I bet you also know The Bogwoppit...

SparklePop · 18/09/2007 15:58

I really like Casbie's "Isolation" and I also think "Beached" would be ok if a little girly. Can't see a Darryl-from-Coronation-St type reading Beached but can see him reading Wrecked, Oceanspace or Isolation.

Not only do you have to consider the appeal to the teen market, but the subdivisions within that market ie if your book is aimed at male, female or both and younger teens or older teens. If both male/female then you should consider picking a title that won't isolate one or the other as most boys will not be seen dead with anything that could be considered even remotely girly. In fact they wouldn't even be seen picking up a book with a remotely girly title.

Choosing a neutral title will maximise sales opportunities. It's less likely to be dismissed at point of sale on a subconscious assumption the reader makes about whether they are they are the intended market. Given all the competition and the bedazzling array of titles and jackets you only have approximately one second (or as long as someone takes to glance at your book) to grab some interest. It is possible a potential customer could think "not for me, too old/young/girly/one for the guys" within a split second, literally. Your agent will I'm sure advise you on all of this anyway
Anyway.... back to what I do best... where's that duster....

casbie · 18/09/2007 15:52

my favourite book title ever:

drum roll

my best fiend

now whoever came up with that, was a genius!!

UnquietDad · 18/09/2007 15:32

Would "Sunstroke" fit?
Or one describing how long they are on the island, e.g. "27 Days" or something?

UnquietDad · 18/09/2007 15:28

"Beached" is darn good.
Well, I think so, but then I'm not Kathy!

casbie · 18/09/2007 15:25

Heat

Sweet Desert Island

Beached

Lost Isle

Isolation

Salt Water Blues

[thanks Roget!]

casbie · 18/09/2007 15:17

also, it could be the crux of the story is the title.. so

Hunt for Red October

etc

if your aiming at teenage kids, then maybe it should be something more savvy, more amy winehouse style.

zubb · 18/09/2007 15:10

would go with FMV and try to find a quote from the book that you can use. I like it when you come across the title like that just within the text.