Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - the SPOILER thread!

I thought the book was good but wasnt keen on the last chapter. Was a bit confused about the "trace" thing on Harry at the beginning, seem to remember Dumbledore telling Harry in one of the other books that they couldnt tell who had done any magic just that it had been done?

Sorry, that makes no sense as the 'first line' of the post wasn't a spoiler - but it ran on to include the two that died. And lots of people are upset with the amount of spoiling going on. So let's be careful!

I see exactly what you mean fudge, I just took sides a long time ago.

weep! at lupin and tonks thats quite tragic as well - ( hell, it's an oodle of tragedy this book!) She loved him for a long time, he finally gave in (...) she got pregnant , he was worried about the pregnancy, they have a beautiful little metamorphogus boy and the, they, diiiiiiiiiiie.

there are a lot of orphaned or mistreated little boys n Rowlings world.

persephone: ewww... how sordid

but then reubeus, i would have expected Draco and Hermione to get together on the basis that she punched him in book 3 and he thinks shes a filthy mudblood ( 'oh draco!' hermione purred, 'i love it when you talk dirty...) < eww at self emoticon>

yes, it is a bit curious - Snape is an amazing wizard - to be suprised in such a fashion - but to be constantly on your toes, playing a dangerous double agent game.

such an amazing torch to hold though. to fall in love when you're about eight or so (?) to always love. i think he spat out the mudblood in a self loathing moment because everyone had seen his pants..Lily does quantify her rejection by saying all her friends wondered why she bothered with him ( paraphrase). thats bit weak for my taste that Lily was so worried about the opinion of others ( fallible - human, though)

he's a great tragic/romantic hero - to love someone so much that you can care for their child who looks like your loathed, bullying, nemesis. To die so a part of them survives.

Now you see I didn't get the switch to loving James was that unlikely at all. After all - isn't love/hate opposite sides of the same coin. Maybe acting as if she hated him because she didn't want to acknowledge her own growing feelings for him?

Indifference to love I'd find much harder to believe, tbh...

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I thought Snape was just confused and very very unhappy to turn on the one person who he had had a decent relationship with. Maybe he knew that she would never love him.

Snapes death was the saddest part, I thought. He was the only one of JKR's sad orphans and neglected children who deserved love and never found it. And he dies in such an accidental sort of way.

sorry i'm late everyone, i've been away this weekend.

chapter 33 was my absolute favourite. so sad, that someone has such a lonely life, forvever carrying a torch. I don't get that lily fell out with severus because he called her a m*bl*d. I think she was looking for a way out and an easy life with james. I don't get how she switched from hating james to marrying him ( I would have liked some moment between them that Snape oversaw)

I did predict Severus was Harrys 'real' father. well, he still could be ( clutches at straws) but he was in loco parentis. more than Harrys Godfather. he always protected him and looked out for him - keeping it secret ( that teared me up actually, that dumbeldore said people would never know the best of him)

and i even got one of Harrys sons names right ( albus severus!) ( so nyah to all your ' oh i knew he was a horcrux all along!) wish I'd had a tenner on that!

did love it though. agree the 19 years later was an anti climax.

'they're' asleep even. Even dead owls can spot bad grammar

Difficult to know why Grindelwald lost the wand. How does the wand ever get passed on if it's undefeatable? It must be through trickery? Or killing the holder of the wand while their asleep? Who knows!

Attila - the mandrakes were being hurled over the castle walls so I assume that the rest of the school were far enough away not to hear the cry.

Must admit I sort of skim read that bit (hence my rather shamefull lack of understanding) as I really didn't want to think too hard about it either

its a bit sick that bit imo

Thanks Bill !

the flayed baby is the bit of Voldemort that died in Harry

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Loved it .. can anyone enlighten me as to the "flayed" baby in the Deathly Hallows, I still can't work it out !

(I also cried when Dobby died and when Snape was revealed as a goody even though I was sure he had been all along)

The epilogue was pants Loved the Jackie Collins analogy !

Right - Finally finished the book, and this thread!

I really enjoyed it. Sobbed like a mad woman when Dobby died!!

Felt that Lupin/Tonks were killed off too quickly. I know it was at a really frenetic part of the book but could have been done a bit better I thought.

Loved the whole battle bit, some bits made me laugh some made me cry - especially loved the 'second wave' with the centaurs, house elves and everyone.

Was very disappointed with the epilogue - no where near enough detail.
I thought we were going to find out more about the professors! And disappointed that the Dursley's didn't play a bigger part.

I don't know who did magic late in life - think it was a red herring.

I'm going to have to read it again now to work it all out.... shame

Maybe Dumbledore tricked Grindlewald into putting down the wand - you don't have to defeat the wand to gain mastery of it, just its owner - because it's the wand that decides who its master is.

 
 But if Neville & Prof Sprout had to wear earmuffs, why didn't the mandrakes kill <strong>everyone</strong> else, not just the enemy? 
 Did Neville go arond putting earmuffs on everyone? Or do the mandrakes have a very short range?

but if Grindelwald never had it under complete control because he didn't win it fair and square how come Dumbledore DID have it under complete control?

I mean why isn't it the same as Snape didn't win it from Dumbledore therefore Voldey couldn't win it from Snape - Grindelwald didn't win it from Gregorovitch but Dumbledore COULD win it from Grindelwald... doesn't make sense -or is it just me...

yeah good point RD! Guess that one really isn't properly explained is it?! Still loved the book though and cried my eyes out a few times - especially at the end when the dead parents help him and then when McGonagall makes that roaring No etc. Oh it was fab!