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Riders - Jilly Cooper Book Club

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JillyCooperBookClub · 14/03/2016 09:53

It was a perfect spring day. Thickening crimson buds fretted a love-in-the-mist blue sky. The banks were draped with crocuses of the same Lenten purple as the altar cloth. A host of golden daffodils, retarded by the bitter winter, had just reached their prime and nodded their pale heads in approval.

Thus Helen falls for Rupert, and I fell for Jilly Cooper: against our upbringing and our better judgement, and despite every single red flag.

Riders wasn't my first Jilly Cooper, but the first I sought out, after a few stolen pages of another under dappled sun on Guide Camp as a teenager.

It starts deceptively happily, with gymkhanas and very proper sexless dates. But we mustn't be fooled: at every point every character is being judged by every other, and found wanting. Character flaws, damaging childhoods, trauma and tragedy: frankly it's a wonder any one of them made it to adulthood.

Rupert's friendship with Billy predates the neglect and misery of his childhood, so unsurprisingly it is the only healthy and unconditional human relationship he has.

There couldn't be much wrong with Rupert if he inspired friendship like this.

Rupert shivered, suddenly reminded of the desolation of Sunday nights at school, summoned by bells to Evensong, followed by cold ham and bread and marge for supper, and everyone else coming back feeling homesick from days out with their parents. Rupert had never really had a proper home to feel sick about.

And indeed it will be some years before he finds one.

We discussed on the general thread that Rupert is a bit, well, rapey. In Riders he has precisely zero respect for any woman's body autonomy (the very first time he and Helen meet he thrusts his hand into her jumper) and once he has any declared rights over a woman he takes absolute possession of her body.

With a colossal feeling of triumph he pushed her back on to the bed and began to move downwards, kissing her ribs, then her belly.

"No," she gasped, grabbing his head.

Firmly he removed her hands. "Shut up. You're mine now, to do exactly what I like with."

The foursome in Kenya is deeply, deeply troubling. Billy doesn't seem to realise how unwilling Helen is until he has raped her; Rupert is more concerned with how his friends will perceive them, and his response to finding her as dry as a marathon runner's throat is to declare her "useless"; Janey is so turned on by Rupert she doesn't stop to think about it. All three of them assault her together, until she escapes.

Any minute she expected an enraged Rupert to appear and drag her back to the torture chamber.

But the others were enjoying themselves. [...] Playing games of their own, they carried on till morning.

Days later, she falls for Jake: physically and romantically the exact opposite of Rupert. It was inevitable, surely, and as little as I like her I have the greatest sympathy. But I'll never forgive Jake as long as I live.

When I first read Riders I identified strongly with Tory. Poor unloved Tory - considered a fat failure, whilst in truth neither fat nor failing. Jilly is horribly judgemental about an ounce of spare fat on anyone, but she shows us that however miserable Tory might be, she is beautiful and perfect:

She was tallish and big boned, with a huge bust that bounced up and down as she walked. However she stood on the scales, she weighed eleven stone.

(Note: at 5'8", "tallish", that's a BMI of 23.4, and she promptly loses nine pounds when she falls in love, taking her to 22.5)

Actually she was much less far without her clothes on; rather splendid, in fact.

Tory is capable and loyal and loving and stoic and all the characteristics of a balanced human being. She doesn't expect Jake to love her; it's enough that she loves him.

"She loved you," said Fen bitterly. "Isa, Darklis, me, the horses, Wolf, were only extensions of how much she loved you. She knew you didn't love her, but she felt you needed her. That made life easier, that was enough."

"Oh, Christ," Jake groaned, putting his head in his hands. "I only realised in LA how much I loved her. [...] She always seemed so strong that she could cope with anything. I didn't realise I meant so much to her."

[...]

Frantic, he took her in his arms, trying to warm some life into the frail body.

"Don't die," he pleaded for the thousandth time. "Please don't die."

"Jake," came the faintest, faintest whisper.

I was going to talk about snobbery and class, and the animals, and the culture of celebrity, and the freedom of wealth, and Billy, and Malise, and political marriages, and fidelity, but I can't, because tears are streaming down my face yet again and my nose is running. So to cheer myself up, and to evidence Jilly's brilliance, I'll leave you with my favourite exchange:

"Will it be very fancy tonight?"
"Not particularly."
"Shall I wear pants?
Rupert's eyes gleamed. That was getting somewhere. "Certainly not," he said.
[...]
"Chicken, you are wearing pants. What's this?" he pinged the elastic."
"Panties," said Helen quickly. "You thought I'd go to a party without panties?"

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BeautifulMaudOHara · 20/03/2016 12:15

Doesn't Maud betray them because she's been hurt? I can't remember but I do remember it was shocking. I agree that's she's maybe a harsh self portrait.

Is anyone up for reading Rivals next?

MoggieMealAl · 20/03/2016 12:12

It always amuses me that unattractive men (unattractive according to Jilly anyway) like academics always force their attentions on someone 'goatily'. What does that even mean?!

kelpeed · 20/03/2016 11:56

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Feenie · 20/03/2016 11:15

Rivals is next.

kelpeed · 20/03/2016 11:07

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BeautifulMaudOHara · 20/03/2016 10:54

Which is the next book, chronologically?
Can we read that next?

BeautifulMaudOHara · 20/03/2016 10:53

I've finished Riders.

Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers follow...

I'd forgotten so much of it. It is riveting and a great read I think, still, albeit with some er issues, as we've discussed. The drink driving is shocking, I agree. It's of its time...

I was in Penscombe whenever she described it, I love The Cotswolds. And I can picture The Mill House and Jake's yard and the Olympics.

I hated the rape scene, I mean, obviously, and I really don't know why it's there - titilation? We've already seen how cruel Rupert can be so she didn't need to show us that again. Maybe she couldn't think who else to use to get a group sex scene in? (That's being generous though).

Helen gets more and more unsympathetic as the books goes on. I don't think you're allowed to be an unhappy wife with a happy ending in Jillyworld although of course we know she ends up with Charles Dance Malise, who is much more her type. The Jake / Tory ending doesn't feel terribly believable to me.

I still love, love, love Jilly.

BalloonSlayer · 20/03/2016 08:45

What do you mean about eating disorders kelpeed? Do you mean the way she talks about Tory as hugely fat when she's only 11 stone, or them always seeming to be on crash diets (including Rupert) or the way in Jillyworld if you're miserable you stop eating and suddenly become thin and beautiful?

I am still half-way through re-reading Riders and had a bit of a marathon yesterday. The hyperbole can be exhausting though. Everyone has always "not slept for 36 hours" "not eaten all day" "has 120 miles to drive before supper" [which they seem to do in an hour and a half, in a knackered lorry]. Or they drink four bottles of champagne and are "a bit tight" then get drink even more yet still propose driving to London and the only objection is "it's a long way and you'll have to drive back again." Drink driving was definitely a crime in the 70s! I just think "can't someone just get up, work their horses, have three sensible meals and a few glasses of wine with their dinner and go to bed like everyone else. Or make themselves some bloody sandwiches!"

JillyTheDependableBoot · 20/03/2016 02:00

kelpeed Yes, interesting thoughts.

I think in Rivals the difference between Rupert's relationships with Taggie and with Cameron is that Cameron is more needy of him in a way that he's not able to meet, whereas Taggie actually offers him the safety and nurturing he craves. So while on the face of it Cameron is the stronger, more successful woman, Taggie can support Rupert better and he can nurture and cherish her in a way Cameron doesn't allow or need.

The writing process JC went through with Riders is so interesting. It took her 15 years to write and at one point she left 50,000 words of longhand in a taxi and never recovered it - I cannot imagine how hard it must have been to come back from that! Rivals does seem a far more structured, sensibly plotted book, and was written in a fraction of the time. I think the same is true of Polo, and they're much better for it.

I think Maud, like Janey, is JC channelling the worst of herself, and so they're unsympathetic characters. Maud and Declan's relationship is maybe most like JC and Leo's? Or like JC as she would like herself to be?

Valerie is a bit of a lazy stereotype - if you've read Class you'll know that JC despises lower-middle class arrivistes most of all the groups she looks down on (see also Anthea in Pandora).

MrsHathaway · 19/03/2016 23:29

Good thoughts.

I agree that it flows beautifully in Riders (I've not reread Rivals in full for a year or more so I can't comment on the comparison) but we're always focusing on that podium ("a cripple, a schoolgirl and an imbecile").

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Feenie · 17/03/2016 22:12

Janey, ffs.

Feenie · 17/03/2016 22:10

Yy to Jamey being an absolute bitch. I felt so.sorry for Fen when she turned up at the house.

As for bloody fingerprints on the public toilet wall, have often wondered what kind of dirty bitch does that. Rank.

BeautifulMaudOHara · 17/03/2016 19:30

I think the jumping is interesting - it is almost incidental but not really (crap explanations R Us!) - it adds drama and competition.

And the horses are just more characters but we don't get as much detail about their inner lives.

MrsHathaway · 17/03/2016 14:22

Sorry, yes, it's definitely not incidental for her and everything I know about showjumping comes from Riders but so far it's been incidental to the book club!

A lot of it is a bit ... I don't know, contrived. They win by one fault far too often, and always when they're jumping last. I know it's a standard literary device and it happens even more often in the fanfic but it sometimes feels awkward.

JillyTheDependableBoot · 17/03/2016 10:27

How many times did I write "think" in one post? Confused

JillyTheDependableBoot · 17/03/2016 10:26

I don't think so, MrsHathaway - JC is clearly fascinated by the technical side of showjumping and researched it really thoroughly (as her blog shows she's done with racehorse breeding for the new book). I think she rode and hunted as a child so she knows quite a bit about horses anyway. I think the showjumping scenes are brilliant - it's incredibly hard to write about stuff like that in a way that's convincing for readers who know about the subject but not boring for those who don't. The steeplechase scenes in Jump are far less successful I thought - far too long-winded.

MrsHathaway · 17/03/2016 10:03

We haven't mentioned any of the actual jumping.

Is it incidental? That is, is it just the framework upon which to build the relationships and characters?

YoureAllABunchOfBastards · 17/03/2016 07:31

Yes, he does shag Marion - re-read that bit last night

JillyTheDependableBoot · 16/03/2016 22:05

I think Janey is definitely a very harsh self-portrait.

Poor JC - Leo Cooper was not the easiest man to be married to. She wrote TMWMHJ after he had a long affair, as a kind of catharsis.

I arranged to interview her, years ago, for a magazine I worked for, I was SO excited, and she ended up cancelling at the last minute because he was being a cunt, basically. I swore at the time I'd never read another of her books. Yeah, right.

BeautifulMaud I'm cheating and not actually rereading the book, but I do remember the bit you're referring to with Jake and the groom. Does he actually shag her, though?

caitlinohara · 16/03/2016 21:25

I do love lots of the description of Janey though because it rings true - the bit where she says she doesn't want to go back to standing on freezing tube platforms in the morning and turning up to work in last night's dress and everyone knew you hadn't been home... That seems based on either JC's own experience or someone she knew.

BalloonSlayer · 16/03/2016 20:48

I love the bit where she doesn't want Billy to carry her because she hasn't managed to get down to nine stone - she's nine stone seven and "he'd rupture himself." Grin

I'm nine stone seven and most people consider me fairly slim. I don't think even DH would have a problem carrying me (should the need arise) - a sportsman like Billy would have no trouble at all!

In that last awful book of Jilly's - Jump, is it? - the heroine is sort of freed by her husband dying, she has been his carer. I did wonder whether that was autobiographical. One of the things the character doesn't miss about her husband is that he used to weigh her every day. Shock Again I did wonder if that was Jilly's experience and led to her weird obsession with weight.

BeautifulMaudOHara · 16/03/2016 20:12

Yes I'm not liking Janey either, I've just got to the bit where she's unfaithful to Billy with Kev, eww - how could she? I used to think Janey was Jilly but I'm not sure now.

YoureAllABunchOfBastards · 16/03/2016 20:12

Also agree re:Janey. I did think she was a bit of a self portrait but then Jilly could never be such a PITA.

I think that although Rupert is a right bastard in Riders, he redeems himself so much in Rivals that everything is forgiven. I like a good character arc.

CallMeMousie · 16/03/2016 20:03

Oh looks like Jilly is judging 'Scruffts' on C4 right now.

Agree Janey is annoying. I can't bear characters who just keep on fucking up and making awful decisions - she just lurches from one idiotic decision to another with no redeeming thought process!