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Lamentation by CJ Sansom - anyone read it and want to discuss it?

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Dumbledoresgirl · 28/02/2015 18:59

I've just finished it and I would love to talk to some fellow Shardlake enthusiasts about it. Anyone interested?

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theconstantvacuumer · 01/03/2015 14:33

I do hope Jack returns and regains some of his former vigour. The part where Shardlake describes his pouchy face was heartbreaking. I suppose that now Jack is married with children he can't be the adventurer he once was but I think his character deserves more than to be pensioned off.

I too hope that the series moving into a new era will liven the series up a bit. I'd also like Shardlake to experience a bit of actual romance, not just mooning over Lady Latimer/Catherine Parr (I did get quite frustrated with Shardlake's ridiculous attitude towards her).

Incidentally, who could you see as Shardlake on TV/film? No one springs to mind for me, maybe because I don't really have a clear picture in my mind of how he looks facially. For Jack, I always think of him as looking like Tom Chambers (Sam from Holby/winner of Strictly a few years ago) and Guy is a bit Morgan Freemanish.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 01/03/2015 14:30

Agree that Lanentation wasn't the best. Other than the dramatic stuff at the end. I liked, 'Heartstone' though. I think after the first two, they started to get a bit too long and might be better with a bit of culling. Then again, I think that about most books nowadays!

Dumbledoresgirl · 01/03/2015 11:18

Oh hello my fellow Shardlake enthusiasts! Smile

Well, now that I have found you, can I say what is really bursting to get out of me?

C J Sansom - how could you do that to Jack? I always assumed you had some of the personality of Shardlake - compassion, a gentleness of spirit, a fondness for the fellowship of mankind - and yet you can do that to Jack? Shock I am not sure I will be able to forgive you!

I have read online the suggestion that Sansom was bored with the character and couldn't think of what else to do with him and so has 'pensioned him off'. I sincerely hope that isn't the case as Shardlake has only been kept alive for me by Jack Barak. I was most disappointed he didn't really get much of a role in Lamentation - and I too have forgotten most of Heartstone but I have a feeling I was not happy with his part in that novel either. Actually, I think he might still have plans for Jack. He has Shardlake thinking at the end of Lamentation about his responsibilities towards Timothy, Nicholas and 'yes, Barak' and he has Jack telling Shardlake that he is 'working on Tammy' so I suppose that suggests he (Sansom) intends to continue with the character. But I am heartbroken that he will never again be quite the man he was.

If Sansom is anything like Shardlake, does this extend to being unlucky in love? Is Sansom jealous of Jack for seeming to have everything in life?

OK, passionate rant over! That aside, I am not sure I enjoyed Lamentation all that much, and I know I didn't enjoy Heartstone as much as previous books. Has Sansom run out of ideas, do you think? I have read that he wants to take Shardlake on into the Elizabethan era, but I am wondering if he has run out of good mysteries to develop. The political and religious plots can only go so far in my opinion as they are all laid out as historical facts already (ie, we all knew the Queen would survive the jeopardy of her book being stolen as she did in real life) so, for me, it is the fictional aspects that have made up the plots in the past that have interested me.

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theconstantvacuumer · 28/02/2015 22:29

I probably should have reread Heartstone, I couldn't remember what had happened on the Mary Rose.

I'm glad that the books are moving on from the reign on Henry VIII though. I've never forgiven the old bastard for making Shardlake wet himself in York!

And yes, Jack Sad

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 28/02/2015 22:21

I re-read all of the others in a row immediately before reading, 'Lamentation.' It was wonderful to live for a real chunk of time in Shardlake's world, following him through several adventures without waiting time in between.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 28/02/2015 22:19

Yep. Can I just say - Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!

theconstantvacuumer · 28/02/2015 22:05

Hello, I just finished it the other day. I really enjoyed it (as with all Shardlake novels to be honest) although I was shocked at the fairly brutal ending.

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