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Sunne in Splendour - Come Enthuse With Me!

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BigBoPeep · 26/11/2012 17:57

Just finished reading this and now feel desperately sad for poor old Richard III! Also amazed at some of the historical facts (the twin suns during Edward's ascendancy, and the eclipse on Richard's wife's death!?). All lent extra excitement by the greyfriars dig of course...

kinda wishing the people who did 'the tudors' on TV would now do this...but who would we pick to play the parts??? muses

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Colyngbourne · 28/11/2012 16:57

There you go, somehow I forgot The Daughter of Time - weirdly I don't think of it as fiction, because it's principally a book presenting historical debate -and isn't set in the 1460's/70's/80's - but the Inspector Grant/Marta Hallett dynamic is really good too.

Ruffello · 28/11/2012 14:48

I'm reading it right now and loving it. I'd always thought the Wars of the Roses were about the counties of Yorkshire vs Lancashire, so it's great to learn history along with a great read! Am planning to read the Daughter of Time next by Josephine Tey, who's also a great Ricardian!

Colyngbourne · 28/11/2012 14:46

I read this first about 28 years ago (and many many times since) and whilst I now find it slushier in parts than I would wish, it is amongst the very best of Richard III/Yorkist era fiction. Like LadyDamerel, I prefer the early half of the book before the downward trajectory of Edw IV's death and the spiralling doom that wrecks Richard's peace, happiness and ultimately his life.

My daughter recently constructed her own wished-for "casting" of this, and there is an excellent one here although I don't agree with all of the choices.

Richard Armitage has long wished to get a drama made which approaches the time from a pro-Richard angle; what we get instead next year is Philippa Gregory adaptations, with poor historical research and a fixed attitude that Richard usurped the throne, killed the princes, and (in the books at least) was afflicted with the predictable Tudor-born physical disabilities. Repeating them only gives them credence.

It's a toss-up between this and We Speak No Treason as the best RIII fiction of all: this for scope and general historical detail and personalities; Rosemary Hawley Jarman for a sense of personal loyalty and love for this man. The one book inspires interest and fascination, the other 'devotion'.

Of the many other books, I would possibly rate The Killing of Richard III by Robert Farrington and Some Touch of Pity by Rhoda Edwards. Most are laughable romances, or try to plausibly imply Richard killed the princes but regretted it.

LadyEnglefield · 28/11/2012 12:58

First read this years ago and fell in 'love' with Richard III. I read it every now & then when I want a really good wallow.

Have been a Ricardian since my university days and have always wanted a TV series to be made based on this book.

Who knows, now that the bones have been discovered..it may happen at last!

mimbleandlittlemy · 28/11/2012 12:12

Ooh, yes, love it though it does have my favourite worst line in an historical novel ever which is the classic "My lord Hastings is without". Cracks me up every time (yes, I'm sad).

I really like Here Be Dragons too and I must read When Christ and His Saints Slept but they don't seem to have converted it to Kindle yet.

LadyDamerel · 26/11/2012 22:47

Better add that to my Christmas list then!

DamnDeDoubtance · 26/11/2012 21:14

Indeed it is.

LadyDamerel · 26/11/2012 20:10

I've read this loads of times, I absolutely love it but I actually prefer the first part, during Edward's reign because Richard was happy and at Middleham with Anne and Ned. His own reign horribly sad - Ned giving him the protectorship was a real poisoned chalice for everyone involved.

I read an article ages ago about someone who was mooting this is a possible film/TV series script but that there wasn't the budgets or interest for it.

Depending on what the DNA results show, I suppose there could be potential for it to go ahead as the interest would be much greater among the general public.

Is Here Be Dragons the Edward I/Welsh kings saga?

DamnDeDoubtance · 26/11/2012 19:58

It's wonderful isn't it.

Love the Plantagenets.

Now go and read Here be dragons, tis marvelous. Smile

Rhienne · 26/11/2012 18:08

I read this years ago and loved it. I read my way through everything of hers I could get my hands on! I loved the ones set in Wales most. Was always so disappointed to read the notes at the back, and learn my favourite characters were the fictional additions, of course it's much easier for an honest historical author to flesh them out, but it was still disappointing.

Not sure about the casting...

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