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how come nobody has bought Rowling's new book?

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notactuallyme · 27/09/2012 21:46

went into town at 4pm after work, thinking 'shame, they'll all be gone' only to find that every shop had them discounted - a tenner in Waterstones! HMV had piles of them and I gave in and bought one in Tescos for £9 - what happened there then?

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Corygal · 30/09/2012 09:57

Shout out to all you pedants out there...

None takes the singular.

ThorPhowargh · 30/09/2012 08:31

Corygal - I disagree, I thought sukhvinder (sp?) and Tessa were also sympathetic. Yes the relentless beating of the middle classes was a bit tedious. I am middle class and although yes the snobbery and disdain exists there are also some amazing kindness and generosity of which no drop is evident in this book.
I thought some of her observations and metaphors were excellent but the book was just so damn grim. The families were all so vile to each other it was depressing. She is excellent at capturing the self absorption and misery of teenagers.
I am a huge Harry Potter fan. If I had read the casual vacancy as a novel by an unknown author I probably wouldn't read their next book. I think, though, JK Rowling had to write something so extreme in its difference to Harry Potter in order to distance herself from the inevitable comparisons.
It's just the enormous chip on her shoulder dominates this book and some great writing is blanketed under the weight of her hatred of the middle classes. It prevented her from writing in any truly likeable characters. Personally I need to like at least one character in a book.
So no, I don't think I'll be buying any more of her adult stuff but I really do not think she deserves the slating she gets. She needs slightly stricter editing (but who would dare these days) as she can drop to a snail like pace but IMO she is a good writer.

maillotjaune · 30/09/2012 08:08

rubberglove genuine question as I often get these things wrong, but "none of the characters is very nice" looks right to me as in "not one of the characters is very nice".

Therefore "is" seems right as you would say "one is" not "one are".

Have I got this one wrong? Sorry I know this isn't pedant's corner but need to know Grin

Startailoforangeandgold · 30/09/2012 01:22

I don't buy HBs, even discounted. All my shelves are set at PB hight.

rubberglove · 29/09/2012 23:47

Corygal - 'none of the characters is very nice'

Think you will find that should be, 'none of the characters very nice'

And for the poster that stated Harry Potter is the book any literate, clever woman could have written, well why didn't you?

notactuallyme · 29/09/2012 22:00

Read the opening bit, and feel like carrying on. Whether or not I end up feeling like corygal remains to be seen. Not sure if local electtions are that exciting.

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maillotjaune · 29/09/2012 21:37

No interest. Had no interest in HP until DSs were old enough, and like others upthread liked the plot but not the writing.

At the time DS2 loved it, but he doesn't reread them the way he has Percy Jackson or Philip Pullman, for example.

I generally avoid stuff with this kind of hype so unless I read great reviews I am unlikely to read it even from the library.

rubberglove · 29/09/2012 19:35

I have heard all kinds of twattery on here, but banning your child from reading Harry Potter really is quite something.

MrsRobertDuvallHasRosacea · 29/09/2012 15:03

Doesn't appeal to me.
I read the first HP to ds and then gave up.

I buy hardbacks...love them. I like the idea of reading a book before all you lot. [ grin]

whatkungfuthat · 29/09/2012 14:05

I just don't fancy it. The story doesn't interest me and it's been hyped to hell and back which is always puts me off. I would never shell out for a hardback anyway.

I'm a huge Pratchett fan too, but I always wait for the paperback.

hackmum · 29/09/2012 11:58

I do plan to read it, though I have a long list of other books to get through first (including the new Sebastian Faulks, which I'm reading at the moment, plus the new Ben Goldacre book and the Salman Rushdie memoir, and various others). Am slightly put off by the fact that the Kindle price is apparently higher than the hardback price - normally one of the reasons I like the Kindle is that I can buy books as soon as they come out rather than wait for the cheap paperback edition.

The Guardian review was largely favourable - the only other review I've read is Jan Moir in the Daily Mail, which was very hostile, which as far as I'm concerned counts as an endorsement.

Corygal · 29/09/2012 09:52

I've finished it now, thanks to an appalling cold that sent me to bed with the cat.

It's not very good - my first instinct is that it wouldn't have made it into print without the author's name on the front. I can't detail without outing myself, but all I can say is that when the main selling point of a book is the author's name, the least one can do for the paying public is hire someone who can write, ie someone else, to create the text. That hasn't happened - that's the first instance I can think of in book publishing, too, except Iris Murdoch's last book that was famously written when she had Alzheimers.

The story is, as everyone knows, about a local council election and its effect on various families in Smalltown Village, West Countrrreee.

The council election raises temperatures all round but it's not much to with the the real theme of the book, bad parents - from the adopted kid who wasn't wanted by dad to the beaten sons of maniac above to the local crack whore's flailing and terrified chaos victims.

But first, I have to point out that the only outstanding feature of the book is that it's full of typos and reps, noticeable even to someone like me who is used to overlooking these things in raw typescripts. They stick out so much they're irritating and confusing - one character is only ever introduced as "Fat, plain...", but when you get to page 500 you kind of know that already. And think author is introducing a new character, proudly using two of the ten adjectives she knows.

(Thinks JKR must be hyper-stroppy and tough - no editor lets that out unless they're terrorised. See below for the worst non-edited slip, the one that blows the plot out of the water.)

None of the characters is very nice. So there's no empathy or drive to get to the end of the book. They represent one fault each, and each fault is just repeated stoutly every 50 pp through all 500 pages. There's no insight or development into say, the deli owner's smalltown snobbery, or the local maniac's wife beating. All the snobbery is really out of date 70s-style, too: skirts jeered at for being above the knee, etc, other skirts look 'like hessian'.

The non-ghastly characters are there as props - you get nothing, say, of the beaten wife's interior monologue. Or how Ms Fat, Plain feels about not being Miss World. The 'social comment' JKR makes is limited to 'wife beating is bad'- You don't say.

What gets me is that all the 'children' in the book, while universal victims, are not very nice themselves and have zero insight into what's going on around them. OK, victims aren't always nice people, and that's fine, but most abused children don't turn nasty - mostly because they're too frightened. Some cope, some get out, and some flail silently. Some survive unscathed, which is what I have always found the most interesting, but this possibility is not allowed.

The social comment, which is like being smacked over the head with a hammer, is beyond obvious. And FACTUALLY INCORRECT. The plotline of crack whore's teen DD Krystal trying to get pregnant so she can get a flat, while about the only character-driven development in all 500pp, couldn't happen in today's England. She would have known all she would get is a fostering with baby, and we are told she hated being fostered. The book is supposed to be about today's England.

I did enjoy the crack whore house of heroin strand, felt mildly illuminated with Krystal's story and very sorry for her. Krystal the Krack Khaos Kid was the only mildly empathetic character - nothing you couldn't have got from Dispatches on C4 in 5 min tho'.

All in all, a curiosity piece - you won't be enlightened or entertained. But you will hope the book makes enough money to subsidise a state of the nation novel set in this century without howlers.

sieglinde · 29/09/2012 08:08

I read the free Kindle sample of TCV and will not be reading on. The writing is absolutely awful. If possible, worse than 50 Shades. Clunky, pretentious and barely grammatical.

Like many here, I loved the first 3 HPs, but from then on I fell out of love because the writing declined, or the editors didn't dare to do their jobs. Good luck to all who enjoy the new book; chacun a son gout.

newpup · 28/09/2012 20:01

Ordered it and waiting for it to arrive. I read the first two HP books and thought they were fun and quite good but not amazing. I bought the new book because the idea sounded interesting and I wanted to see how her 'adult' fiction is.

notactuallyme · 28/09/2012 19:51

I shall start it tonight and update...

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MissWooWoo · 28/09/2012 19:10

there must be someone on mumsnet who's read it, cone on! what's it like?

never read a HP and not likely to read this new one either I'm just being nosey

FreddieMercurysBolero · 28/09/2012 19:01

No problems Suzy:)

donburi · 28/09/2012 17:57

I would read it - if it came as a newspaper collect-coupons freebie. 'I'm still Jo from the block". I think Liz Jones may like it?

DuchessofMalfi · 28/09/2012 14:39

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the 72 people ahead of me on the waiting list at the library are fast readers :o.

I read and liked the Harry Potter series and am looking forward to my DC being old enough to read them (DD's nearly there).

I'm curious to know whether she really can write for adults. Looking forward to reading it, eventually.

NicknameTaken · 28/09/2012 14:33

I've reserved a copy at the library. Could be a while before it's my turn.

I would strongly defend the HP books, and not because of the films. The prose is functional (nothing wrong with that), the plotting and the creativity are strong. I think the series peaked at Prisoner of Azkhaban, but I still found the rest compulsive reading (although I haven't felt a strong desire to re-read).

DuchessofMalfi · 28/09/2012 13:54

It's got to be price that's putting people off. It's £10 in Asda - I could get 10 kindle daily deals for that price Wink.

I had a flick through a copy this morning and, whilst I was there, two other people picked up copies. One person put it back after flicking through (like I did) and the other put their copy in their trolley, took it for a short walk and then brought it back (second thoughts presumably) :o

MooncupGoddess · 28/09/2012 13:25

It's all about the hype, Grimma. Reviewers were biked their copies on Wednesday and then had to file reviews for the Thursday newspapers to tie in with publication and release date.

To be fair to JK Rowling, from the reviews I've read, the new book, while not a masterpiece, sounds considerably better than one might expect from the rather pedestrian (albeit with a few flashes of genius) HP series. And I admire her for doing something totally different that will alienate wizard-lovers.

SuzySheepSmellsNice · 28/09/2012 12:44

Thanks Freddie :)

GrimmaTheNome · 28/09/2012 11:22

Reviews weren't allowed? Confused do you mean prior to public release there were none? (presumably there's no way to prevent review now). How extremely silly of JK and/or her publishers. Even fewer people will shell out for a hardback of an unreviewed book.

notactuallyme · 28/09/2012 10:35

Grimma - reviews weren't allowed! Thats why I was so surprised to see piles of the things left; completely different to all the mania over harry potter books, and yet quite a lot of hype around it.

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