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Regency Buck: Georgette Heyer Book Club Part 4

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DilysPrice · 25/06/2012 21:39

In which Judith nearly becomes Queen of England, Bernard is putting something nasty in the snuff, and Peregrine has his cock squeezed.

There are some good bits in this one - I love the race to Brighton and Beau Brummell, and I enjoy the way she integrates the Royal Dukes as full-blown characters in a way she tends not to in later Regency novels. I had an enlightening time on this read going through Clarence's Wikipedia page and belatedly realising that the history of the UK might have been rather different if Judith had accepted him - no Queen Victoria for a start.

To my mind the big weakness it is that everything hinges on the big twist, so that it doesn't really stand up to re-reading - the devices that she uses to misdirect us are so laboured, and become more so on a re-read.

And Worth doesn't quite fly for me as a hero. I think I buy Judith falling in love with him - that's quite convincingly done, but I don't buy him falling for her.

What do you think of Worth? What does happen to Bernard in the end? Do you think this one is enhanced by such a full-on use of historical characters? Would Judith have been a good queen? And what do you reckon to the gender politics? Judith is the first Heyer heroine who is really kicking against the restraints of Regency womanhood in classic style (Leonie's defiance of convention doesn't count, because she's a child, and forrin) but can her marriage really be a partnership of equals?

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IShallWearMidnight · 30/06/2012 11:32

not saying the name as it could out me IRL, but DD3 shares a name with a minor GH character who is selfish and a bit stupid - it is a book I hadn't read till a few years ago, and was a bit Shock when DDs name popped up Grin. Thankfully DD3 isn't selfish or a bit stupid.

jubilucket · 30/06/2012 11:06

Snap DashingRedhead, dp doesn't know that's where my inspiration for dd1 came from. He turned down Venetia for dd2 though.

DilysPrice · 29/06/2012 23:36

Friend of a friend called their daughter Charis, as in (and after) Frederica's beautiful but thick sister, which I think is a bit Hmm.

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RuthlessBaggage · 29/06/2012 23:19

Yes, that's very funny. He has the measure of her within minutes.

DashingRedhead · 29/06/2012 23:08

Actually my dd does have a name from GH. Quite late in the pregnancy I was reading Sylvester and (without telling DH where I got the idea) suggested Phoebe to him. I'd almost forgotten that!

Lovely anti-heroine: not that pretty, shy, bookish, horsy and incredibly funny and clever.

To go back to Worth, the bit where he says to Peregrine that Judith naturally wanted the house she was told she couldn't have makes me feel he could be an awful lot worse.

LadyDamerel · 29/06/2012 21:51

DH would never have countenanced any GH name for our DD, save perhaps Abby (as in Wendover).

Our dog is Letty, as in Letty Lade and also one of the minor characters in April Lady but there's no way I'd have got away with it for a child Grin.

How lovely that the RL Venetia lived up to her literary namesake, MG. I wonder if her mum was a GH fan.

MooncupGoddess · 29/06/2012 09:51

I knew a Venetia once. She was blonde and very beautiful and spirited and really could have doubled as Venetia Lanyon. I found that quite satisfying somehow.

LeonieDeSaintVire · 29/06/2012 08:37

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RuthlessBaggage · 29/06/2012 07:27

Highly logical! Save skipping about.

Fwiw I think GH does better when she isn't reusing characters. She has to change them (eg Tracy to Justin, but even Justin between books) to get the story right and it is awkward. Better simply to start again.

LadyDamerel · 28/06/2012 23:18

RuthlessBaggage, when we started the GH Bookclub we initially agreed to read in order of publication but Black Moth was so clearly the inspiration behind These Old Shades that we went straight on to that while the memories were fresh then it seemed to make sense to read Devil's Cub as it's the sequel. But then we decided we should read Regency Buck before An Infamous Army so we had met all the characters in in IA as their younger selves.

So there is method in our madness!

I think we're back to reading in order after IA, aren't we?

RuthlessBaggage · 28/06/2012 22:53

I read a lot of Cornwell (Sharpe) before coming to Heyer, and by comparison her battle descriptions are short, pithy and plot-driven.

A lot of the same characters come up, too. Worth cross-reading.

LadyDamerel · 28/06/2012 22:48

I've got that one already, Leonie Blush. I bought it early on in my GH addiction. It's pretty good although her links to GH novels tend to focus on the same handful rather than the whole range but there's some interesting stuff about Regency society, etc.

I'll go and have a look at Dilys' recommendation on Amazon now but I think I want a big coffee table tome with plenty of lavish illustrations and all the key events of the Regency.

Did anyone catch the series about it on BBC3 a few months ago? There were lots of events in it which are referenced fleetingly in GH but unless you know the event and when it happened it sort of passes you by, iykwim.

RuthlessBaggage · 28/06/2012 22:45

I adore Heyer, and I LOVE Worth, although he is a difficult character I think. He's very much in the current fashion of controlling, abusive strong leading men. He is more distant in Infamous Army and Judith has grown a pair matured so it's a very interesting book for that reason.

Heyer's heroes so rarely give anything away. Compare Worth to Avon, or Beaumaris, for example. If they'd just occasionally tell us what they are thinking, the poor girls would be saved so much heartache.

DilysPrice · 28/06/2012 22:39

I love the battle scenes, but then I was forcefed the 1970 film of Waterloo (starring Rod Steiger, Christopher Plummer, and the entire Red Army) from an early age.

I quite enjoyed "High Society in the Regency Period" by Venetia Murray, it's a very easy read, though I'm not sure I learnt much that isn't already in Heyer tbh.

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LeonieDeSaintVire · 28/06/2012 22:36

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LadyDamerel · 28/06/2012 22:10

Oh, I meant to add that I skip the battle scenes in Infamous Army too.

I'm hoping the IA discussion will focus on the human element rather than being an in-depth analysis of battle strategy. Grin

LadyDamerel · 28/06/2012 22:08

This thread is very bad for my bank balance! I've just ordered the Beau Brummell book which can sit alongside the copy of the GH biography that I accidentally ordered last week Blush.

Does anyone have a recommendations for general reading around the regency period? I've gone through everything Wiki has to offer but I'd like a proper book that I can dip in and out of.

HandMadeTail · 27/06/2012 18:34

Apparently the battle descriptions are extremely accurate, although, I have to admit I find them a bit dry, as well.

jubilucket · 27/06/2012 18:21

I've ordered it in from the Library too.

LeonieDeSaintVire · 27/06/2012 14:58

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jubilucket · 27/06/2012 09:07

Oh yes I do Leonie, if I pick one up I have real problems putting it back down . Almost as addictive as MN...

NatureAbhorsAHoover · 27/06/2012 08:17

Another fan of her Beau Brummell... think this was such a great characterisation of him that's it has stuck with me throughout life and is my template for a mild-mannered hero Smile.

Ancilllary Beau Brummell reading suggestion if anyone is keen - Ian Kelly (bit of a renaissance man himself, he plays Hermione's dad in the Harry Potter films!) wrote a fab biography of Brummell, really loved this book; it fleshed him out beautifully (and added bonus I now know enough about the care and maintenance of a sparkling pair of hessians that I could do a champagne boot polish if needed although would rather drink it )

Leonie thank you for the tip to skip the battle scenes in Infamous Army... have never managed to finish it before Blush

LeonieDeSaintVire · 27/06/2012 07:37

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jubilucket · 26/06/2012 19:13

Oooo midnight I had the 'massive chest infection stay on the sofa with antibiotics for the next week' thing back last autumn. Managed a novel and a half a day, thank you dp, mum and sister for completely taking over my maternal duties.
Mind you the agonising pain in my ribs/diaphragm every time I coughed (which was every few minutes day and night) was appalling. Hope you feel better soon.
I'm being very good, I'm NOT reading any other GH's until next weekend. Or having a second glass of wine after dinner or even thinking about a cigarette or eating chocolate or - oh look a flying pig!

DilysPrice · 26/06/2012 18:07

Oh I love The Masqueraders, I think it's an absolute cracker.

Clorinda was a picture by Thomas Guest on display at the Royal Academy in the year RB is set. I can't find an image of it unfortunately, but I'm guessing Heyer might have found it when researching - he also painted the classic portrait of Jem Belcher.

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