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Why, oh why, is it always Pride and Prej, rather than any other Austen?

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Greythorne · 05/01/2012 21:01

i am coaching a teenager who has just announced that their set text is P and P.
I am sooooooo bored with P and P.

Am I the only one who finds Pride and Prej very predictable with characters who are wooden and a plot that's a bit non-existent? Why can't they set Emma or S and S?

Tell me I am wrong and give me reasons to love P and P.

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joanofarchitrave · 09/01/2012 19:01

Funny that though I loved Persuasion in my 30s and still love it as a book, i have come to dislike Anne Elliott rather a lot, though with her absolutely enormous judgy bloomers and dislike of her family she would probably fit in quite well round here. I also feel a bit sorry for Mary Musgrove, who clearly should be running a nightclub and sleeping with toyboys rather than condemned to 15 kids, permanent PND and being buried alive in the country.

Then I would rather have Emma now, even though I truly couldn't bear her in my 20s, because she is genuinely devoted to her father and yet is full of life. Or Mrs Dashwood with her endless DIY plans which never happen - I can so relate Blush. TBH I also think Mrs Dashwood must have been rather pleased when her daughters moved out, especially Elinor tutting at the beef ration and being repressed on the sopha. My view is that Mrs Dashwood probably ended up marrying her cousin John for the money and giving generous regular handouts to Elinor, while keeping both daughters at arm's length re visits as she always had the furniture in holland covers ready to repaint.

But yes, my favourite is Fanny, who despite being so 'weak' actually ends up with a sitting room which is hers alone to use - more than I have, or that Jane Austen had; she marries the man of her choice, and sticks to her principles throughout, without being told off by Mr Knightley or patronised by Henry Tilsley (much as I love him). What a woman.

OK, so P&P. I think that school age children should be able to relate to the desperate need for neighbours, given that they are with the same friends every day for years on end. If they can imagine the only available entertainment being conversation, and can then imagine that they can only meet up with people within a 3 mile walk/7 mile drive, they might begin to imagine how it feels when a whole new household opens up in the neighbourhood, revolutionising the prospects of everyone in the area and bringing new ideas, new jokes, new stories and memories, new books, new music, everything! Then Mrs Bennett may start to make sense to them. Desperation and money.

seriouslytwisted · 09/01/2012 18:40

I love P&P, but my favourite Austen is Mansfield Park (weird, I know) It covers a much wider social range than P&P, including obliquely-referenced slavery, and the most interesting characters are the Crawfords, not the main couple.

Trills · 09/01/2012 10:11

Hassled - I have the PD James book on my kindle waiting for me- glad you are enjoying it.

Have you read Pride & Prejudice & Zombies? Best read in conjunction with the real one, some paragraphs are almost lifted straight out. It's very silly but very cleverly done.

Blackduck · 09/01/2012 09:55

I did Mansfield Park, and hated Fanny and Edmund. I think I also wrote essays on every possible aspect of the bloody book. I do recall saying to my teacher 'don't tell me. This week's essay is the significance of Lady Bertrums pug'. To which she siad, good idea Hmm My fav is Persuasion followed by P&P.....

Pinkglow · 09/01/2012 09:45

My favourite is absolutely Mansfield Park . . . but sadly I seem to be in a minority there.

Thats mine as well, but yes we are totally in the minority

Takver · 07/01/2012 22:09

P&P is maybe the 'easiest' read of all of them? I find Emma unbelievably annoying, & I think its a fairly common reaction so maybe that's why that doesn't get chosen (not good to irritate half your class, even if the other half love it?)

My favourite is absolutely Mansfield Park . . . but sadly I seem to be in a minority there.

Galaxymum · 07/01/2012 10:30

I did Persuasion as set text for A-Level 20 years ago as well (probably the same board!). My group and I hated it as Anne seemed such a doormat. I did P&P for GCSE and much preferred that text.

I think the characters of Elizabeth and Jane are more appealing for teens as Elizabeth is feisty and they go for their men - so I THINK teens can relate to them. I really couldn't relate to Anne or the whole concept of Persuasion. It didn't excite or enthuse me at all.

Now, having read the books I think I'd have preferred to do Sense and Sensibility.

reptilewithchocolatebuttoneyes · 06/01/2012 20:26

I am reading P & P with my nine year old DD at the moment. It is a rite of passage to comic characters etc... P & P is like an old trusty friend and will be for her too I think. I think the others are just as wonderful.

AriesWithBellsOn · 06/01/2012 19:39

We did Persuasion as a set text for A level. This was twenty years ago mind.

I remember our class all raging about Anne being such a wet doormat and why didn't she just man up and tell Mary and Elizabeth to get stuffed? Our poor teacher.

DuchessofMalfi · 06/01/2012 13:04

I loved Pride & Prejudice when I first read it as a teenager (set text for O level), but since discovering Persuasion I much prefer that.

I think Captain Wentworth and Anne Elliot are more believable characters, and Captain Wentworth is a far more romantic hero than Mr Darcy.

I've got the BBC DVD of Persuasion with Amanda Root & Ciaran Hinds - simply gorgeous Smile.

FannyPriceless · 05/01/2012 22:18

But P&P really does have the best characters. You can't help but love it. Mr Bennet, Mrs Bennet, Mr Collins, even Mary. "You have delighted us long enough."

Mrs Bennet is so like my mother. I can totally understand Helen Fielding using the character in Bridget J. We recognise these people around us today. I love it!I just don't think the others have the same character development. Emma definitely not - I don't think it comes close to P&P.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 05/01/2012 21:42

'Persuasion' is beautiful. 'I am half agony, half hope.' Yum.

Greythorne · 05/01/2012 21:42

The first time I read Persuasion, I was in need of a decompression chamber. It was so intense at the end. Love it.

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Hassled · 05/01/2012 21:42

Persuasion is my favourite too.

I'm reading "Death Comes to Pemberley" by PD James and although I was very sniffy indeed about the concept I have to say I'm quite enjoying it. Col Fitzwilliam conveniently seems to have become a baddie, but other than that it's all quite plausible.

Chubfuddler · 05/01/2012 21:39

Persuasion is my favourite by a mile.

exoticfruits · 05/01/2012 21:37

Pride and Prejudice is easily my favourite and I can read it over and over again!

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 05/01/2012 21:37

I don't like the BBC series. Don't like Alison Steadman or Jennifer E or Colin Firth in it.

eurochick · 05/01/2012 21:34

Persuasion is another favourite of mine but I still reread P&P at least once a year (and watch the BBC mini series at least as often).

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 05/01/2012 21:24

Elinor is worthy. I love her but she is deffo worthy.

Greythorne · 05/01/2012 21:23

Ok
You are enthusing me for Lizzie
Good work

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AtYourCervix · 05/01/2012 21:22

oh yes. that one too.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 05/01/2012 21:21

Re-read the first Darcy proposal and then come back and tell me that Lizzie isn't feisty! :)

AtYourCervix · 05/01/2012 21:17

but she is, otherwise she would have just married Mr collins.

Greythorne · 05/01/2012 21:15

She is not dull like Jane but she's incredibly moral.

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Greythorne · 05/01/2012 21:14

Lizzie is not really feisty though, is she?

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