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What would make a nice man from a normal, uncomplicated, middle class family choose to keep getting involved with women with so much baggage?

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BakersKitchen · 10/09/2026 17:29

I’m talking about my DB - of course he now has baggage himself so finding someone with zero baggage is probably out of the equation!

He is recently in another relationship, following a divorce, with a woman who has complicated circumstances. The women all have children from previous relationships (this current one has two from two different fathers and has had another cohabiting partner since). The previous one was much older and her child was the product of an affair which led to the relationship breakdown.

He also has his own child with his ex wife, who also had her own child from a previous relationship and was also much older than him. He married her extremely quickly after not having known her very long at all. He is now repenting at leisure!

All the women are on low incomes, supported by UC, living in poor quality rented accommodation or social housing. DB owns his own home and I wonder if they see him as a meal ticket although the divorce has cleared him out and his LTV is now back down to about 12%.

I can’t understand it. Why doesn’t he want to meet someone without all this drama and baggage?

We are (outside of this) a very nice normal middle class family with married parents and zero drama. My other brother, cousins, and I have all married nice, professional, university educated partners with no prior children and I’m finding myself increasingly frustrated that he keeps introducing these women and their children into our family dynamic, and then out again.

I feel desperately sorry for all children involved and extremely concerned there’s going to be another pregnancy announcement soon!

What’s the psychology here? Is it wanting to feel needed? Low self esteem? The irony is he has always been so judgemental about these sorts of situations and here he is living it!

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RandomUsernameHere · 10/09/2026 19:42

It’s because women without children (or baggage as you call it) would prefer to start a relationship with a man who also doesn’t have children. Whether they want children in the future or not. It works both ways.

ImmortalNowBabyDoll · 10/09/2026 19:42

Maybe it makes him feel superior, maybe he thinks he can "save them". Only he can answer that question.

BakersKitchen · 10/09/2026 19:40

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 10/09/2026 19:29

Sometimes though, the more stable your own background the least likely you are to understand the harm an unstable one will be. A lot of men are inherently selfish, sadly, and don't look at things through their kids eyes (or more of them would be paying maintenance, for starters).

I think you need to drop the whole thing about his first wife having "done well for herself" - he picked her because he could impress her. It was HIS choice as much as hers.

It was and I probably do resent it a bit - for various complicated reasons it does feel like she has ended up walking away with some of my family money and she was a horrible person so I do begrudge it her unfortunately

@HappySummerFun its because he brings them all to stuff and we are all expected to just immediately treat the new children as our own nieces/nephews/grandchildren (I would never be unkind to children it does get a bit tiresome when a little while later you have a new set) and it messes with the dynamic at family events. It is a bit selfish but I really like my other brother’s wife and it would be nice if he could pick someone easy that fit in and then we could all have a nice time

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SmallDFartyCarNRG · 10/09/2026 19:29

Sometimes though, the more stable your own background the least likely you are to understand the harm an unstable one will be. A lot of men are inherently selfish, sadly, and don't look at things through their kids eyes (or more of them would be paying maintenance, for starters).

I think you need to drop the whole thing about his first wife having "done well for herself" - he picked her because he could impress her. It was HIS choice as much as hers.

theresnolimits · 10/09/2026 19:29

I have a brother like this but it’s just accidental really. First wife cheated on him and they split with one child. Not his fault. Then, as he was older, many available partners have children and as he co parents, he found they understood his situation more and it avoided women without children who might resent a step child.

He had a very conventional upbringing but circumstances led him down a different route. But not a worse route, just a different one. I think we all need to understand that there are many ways of living and no one has the monopoly on ‘right’.

seahorsessky · 10/09/2026 19:28

Maybe he does, but it's not always easy. Over a particular (not certain!) age most people have kids. A lot of people are already married. Add to the fact just meeting/chatting up someone now seems more unusual than dating apps, and it's hard, because not many good people who want a family won't have already settled by that age, which means most will have what you call "baggage".

HappySummerFun · 10/09/2026 19:27

I’m simply trying to understand why someone with a stable upbringing would repeatedly enter into such chaos.

Are you sure there's not something up with the rest of you, as opposed to your brother?

People are different. Most families have at least one 'black sheep', but most don't care about it beyond saying 'oh that's Uncle Terry's latest partner, who knows how long she'll last'.

You seem curiously put out by this, as if it's a personal reflection on your family. I'm beginning to feel a little sorry for your DBro. Can't have been easy to be the loopy, 'unstable' one growing up in a family of paragons. Whereas the reality is that lots of people are a bit doolally and they're happier if surrounded by others who are also a bit doolally.

BakersKitchen · 10/09/2026 19:23

LaterSunrise · 10/09/2026 19:20

You seem very set on his upbringing somehow dictating how you think he should date. My upbringing trained me to leave school early, marry a local tradesman young and be a SAHM to a large family. Instead I got four degrees, married someone similar aged 39 and had one child by choice.

More that we had a a very stable childhood so it’s bizarre to me that he has chosen such an unstable one for his own child. There’s no trauma there

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BakersKitchen · 10/09/2026 19:22

I’m going to ignore any comments about me being snobby. I’ve already made it perfectly clear I am concerned about the revolving door and increasingly complicated set of circumstances with different women, their children and the interactions with their previous partners and the wider impact on my niece. I mentioned money because my parents have it and I believe his ex wife used my family for their money and has a rather nice life for herself now.

I’m simply trying to understand why someone with a stable upbringing would repeatedly enter into such chaos.

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PrestonHood121 · 10/09/2026 19:22

he has a Saviour complex?

bittertwisted · 10/09/2026 19:21

Sounds like me but the reverse
am well educated, great well payed job, decent well brought up children, middle class background

I choose absolute lunatics, bedecked in red flag banners

I am too embarrassed to go in to the details

done the Freedom Program etc, still did it again

im now staying well away from any men to try and break the habit of a lifetime

LaterSunrise · 10/09/2026 19:20

BakersKitchen · 10/09/2026 19:15

Yes thank you this is it. As I said, we welcomed the first woman and her child and treated him as family (Xmas presents, days out etc) but now we are onto the third with lots of different children and my actual niece in the mix it’s all very complicated and unstable. And yes I understand my brother has his own baggage - my question is why he has chosen to create this for himself when it’s not how he was brought up, there was no need!

You seem very set on his upbringing somehow dictating how you think he should date. My upbringing trained me to leave school early, marry a local tradesman young and be a SAHM to a large family. Instead I got four degrees, married someone similar aged 39 and had one child by choice.

HappySummerFun · 10/09/2026 19:19

my question is why he has chosen to create this for himself when it’s not how he was brought up, there was no need!

First thing that comes to my mind... he's 'different' from the rest of you in some way (ADHD, BPD, something else or maybe just his personality) and his upbringing didn't meet his particular needs though it may have worked fine for the rest of you. Some ducklings just don't walk in a line.

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 10/09/2026 19:17

Let him get on with it. It’s his life NOT yours. He’s already divorced with a child, he will inevitably meet someone of the same status.
Mind your own business and get on with your own life!

BakersKitchen · 10/09/2026 19:16

SmallDFartyCarNRG · 10/09/2026 19:14

He is choosing women he thinks he can "save" possibly. Women marry up and men marry down, generally. A lot of that is because men want someone they can feel superior to, so as his life gets increasingly complicated with exes and step kids, perhaps he wants someone with worse so he can feel less messed up?

Edited

Maybe it’s an interesting theory

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TwilightSkies · 10/09/2026 19:15

Maybe the thought of being in a relationship with the someone who has the same mindset as his family is horrifyingly boring to him?

BakersKitchen · 10/09/2026 19:15

Funandnames · 10/09/2026 18:46

It was written in a snobby way, but I can understand the concern over the revolving door approach to blending families. My SIL has moved her daughter in/out with multiple men and got pregnant with someone she knew for 5 months. My BIL has just moved a woman and child in with him and his son (that he co-parents with ex wife) who he has supposedly dated for 1 year. I say supposedly because the year marker matches up to the exact date she left her husband/father of her child. One of my BILs best friends also moved a woman and her two kids in with him as his son then asked them to leave as he said he just wasn’t feeling it anymore. It’s not the blending of families that’s an issue, it’s the blending then unblending cycle! Seems really traumatic and unstable for the children to bond and then be ripped away again.

Yes thank you this is it. As I said, we welcomed the first woman and her child and treated him as family (Xmas presents, days out etc) but now we are onto the third with lots of different children and my actual niece in the mix it’s all very complicated and unstable. And yes I understand my brother has his own baggage - my question is why he has chosen to create this for himself when it’s not how he was brought up, there was no need!

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SmallDFartyCarNRG · 10/09/2026 19:14

He is choosing women he thinks he can "save" possibly. Women marry up and men marry down, generally. A lot of that is because men want someone they can feel superior to, so as his life gets increasingly complicated with exes and step kids, perhaps he wants someone with worse so he can feel less messed up?

Monzo1ss · 10/09/2026 19:11

I think it’s just a case of you overstating how desirable your brother is and how “wholesome” he is.

firstly, is he even attractive to the women you perceive to be worthy for him? Because you then go on to lay out a pattern of “unworthy” women being with him, maybe that’s what he attracts?

secondly, maybe instead of women seeing him
as a meal ticket, he just likes the power / control? Many men feel more comfortable in a traditional gender role relationship and feel threatened dating an ambitious woman / higher earner etc. He might like them being dependent on him

and finally it could just come down to sex? If ultimately they’re both attracted to each other and are meeting each others needs, he might not care about a woman having kids already.

Moominhug · 10/09/2026 19:10

hotmumshit · 10/09/2026 19:03

I'm a working class woman with one dc. Is this how people see women like me?

I think i have a bit to offer, great chat, love of food and travel, love of learning, can pick out the perfect gif - what a lovely reminder that to some, youll always be seen as beneath them 😬🤷‍♀️

Only to people with narrow minds and low self esteem though

DBSFstupid · 10/09/2026 19:06

MoodyMargaret11 · 10/09/2026 17:35

Well for starters you sound very judgmental!
I cant comment on his first wife, but once he became a parent himself and reached a certain age, most women he would meet would naturally come with similar "baggage".
Maybe your DB doesn't care about university educated partners or the "nice normal", middle class families you pride yourself in.

Agree. The DB probably feels suffocated.

hotmumshit · 10/09/2026 19:03

I'm a working class woman with one dc. Is this how people see women like me?

I think i have a bit to offer, great chat, love of food and travel, love of learning, can pick out the perfect gif - what a lovely reminder that to some, youll always be seen as beneath them 😬🤷‍♀️

HappySummerFun · 10/09/2026 19:00

He has trouble sustaining long term relationships and so attracts women who also have trouble sustaining long term relationships? Otherwise, they'd all (your brother and the women involved) be looking for partners with different qualities altogether.

That's my take on it anyway. If your brother isn't what you would consider 'nice', 'normal', 'stable' and 'baggage free', he isn't going to attract women who are these things either.

cupfinalchaos · 10/09/2026 18:59

Sounds like your db has his own baggage too.. doesn’t sound like the catch of catches to me.

CamillaMcCauley · 10/09/2026 18:56

What is the actual “baggage” and “chaos” that you’re referring to? It sounds like you mean the mere existence of the children and perhaps shared care?

Who exactly are you expecting him to date? You don’t say how old he is but at a certain point he’s unlikely to meet women who don’t already have kids.

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