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What would make a nice man from a normal, uncomplicated, middle class family choose to keep getting involved with women with so much baggage?

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BakersKitchen · 10/09/2026 17:29

I’m talking about my DB - of course he now has baggage himself so finding someone with zero baggage is probably out of the equation!

He is recently in another relationship, following a divorce, with a woman who has complicated circumstances. The women all have children from previous relationships (this current one has two from two different fathers and has had another cohabiting partner since). The previous one was much older and her child was the product of an affair which led to the relationship breakdown.

He also has his own child with his ex wife, who also had her own child from a previous relationship and was also much older than him. He married her extremely quickly after not having known her very long at all. He is now repenting at leisure!

All the women are on low incomes, supported by UC, living in poor quality rented accommodation or social housing. DB owns his own home and I wonder if they see him as a meal ticket although the divorce has cleared him out and his LTV is now back down to about 12%.

I can’t understand it. Why doesn’t he want to meet someone without all this drama and baggage?

We are (outside of this) a very nice normal middle class family with married parents and zero drama. My other brother, cousins, and I have all married nice, professional, university educated partners with no prior children and I’m finding myself increasingly frustrated that he keeps introducing these women and their children into our family dynamic, and then out again.

I feel desperately sorry for all children involved and extremely concerned there’s going to be another pregnancy announcement soon!

What’s the psychology here? Is it wanting to feel needed? Low self esteem? The irony is he has always been so judgemental about these sorts of situations and here he is living it!

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BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 09:45

Somethinggg · 11/09/2026 09:31

It sounds like you get that this now the pond in which he realistically fishes, and so does he. And tbh the way you describe your upbringing, solid middle class and stable rather than say obvious trappings of money, it might not have been as desirable as you might think to women looking in.

Other than that, some people just never settle, and as time passes they become more likely to find each other.

Yeah we definitely solid middle class although in the last 10 years or so my parents have come into money, largely through selling their house for £600k profit and a six figure redundancy that my dad received. They have been able to financially help us out and in the case of the ex wife she has definitely benefited from this in a way that that enabled to her to achieve goals she never would have been able to manage on her own. DB was weak in his divorce imo and gave her far too much and is paying for it now.

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Somethinggg · 11/09/2026 09:31

It sounds like you get that this now the pond in which he realistically fishes, and so does he. And tbh the way you describe your upbringing, solid middle class and stable rather than say obvious trappings of money, it might not have been as desirable as you might think to women looking in.

Other than that, some people just never settle, and as time passes they become more likely to find each other.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 11/09/2026 07:42

BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 07:37

I don’t disagree now. But I can’t understand why he started dating these chaotic women in the first place and, as you say, become chaotic himself. I did acknowledge that in my op.

I think one could be seen as a mistake. But more than that indicates something about him.

I've had one chaotic ex. I wouldn't touch another one similar, ever.

BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 07:37

Slightyamusedandsilly · 11/09/2026 07:31

I'd say this. As a person who considers herself 'nice and normal', I'd not touch him with a bargepole. He sounds chaotic and unstable. Someone with a string of recent failed relationships at his age isn't a good choice for anyone hoping for a LTR.

I don’t disagree now. But I can’t understand why he started dating these chaotic women in the first place and, as you say, become chaotic himself. I did acknowledge that in my op.

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Slightyamusedandsilly · 11/09/2026 07:31

BrilliantBetty · 10/09/2026 17:54

Perhaps he is not as desirable as you think he is. Or yes, low self esteem. Or perhaps he is attracted to a bit of drama, some people are.
Or maybe they are lovely women who he likes and is attracted to without caring about their housing situation or income.

I'd say this. As a person who considers herself 'nice and normal', I'd not touch him with a bargepole. He sounds chaotic and unstable. Someone with a string of recent failed relationships at his age isn't a good choice for anyone hoping for a LTR.

BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 07:30

Smokeywater · 11/09/2026 07:28

Why did he need the most looking after of any family member - there’s your answer I think

I don’t know he just always needed more TLC than me and my other brother who have always been pretty self sufficient and independent. My parents have definitely bailed him at out points and during his divorce he was living with them. I suppose from my point of view it’s wearing a bit thin really and I wish he would get his shit together

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BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 07:28

Smokeywater · 10/09/2026 22:45

What’s not flattering is people moving in and out of adult relationships forgetting the DCs needs, whatever class they are.

I completely agree and I think it’s terrible. I worry a lot about my niece. She’s going to end up with a very complicated family at this rate and it’s destabilising

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Smokeywater · 11/09/2026 07:28

Why did he need the most looking after of any family member - there’s your answer I think

BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 07:27

IDasIX · 10/09/2026 22:06

If you didn’t have nice middle class parents and a nice middle class husband, could you have afforded to establish and maintain a nice middle class home-owning lifestyle?

Either way you’re a snob, but if you sit in your ivory tower thanks to deposits from parents and a second income from your husband, you’re also a hypocrite.

I make more money than my husband. Yes we have two incomes but I don’t rely on him for my “lifestyle”

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BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 07:26

whatwouldlilacerullodo · 10/09/2026 22:13

My family also looks "stable middle class". No drugs, no police involvement, no spectacular problems. It took me a lifetime to realise families can be abusive in ways that are not obvious.
The most sensitive children are more affected. From your posts I'd assume your family was dysfunctional in subtle ways and your brother is more sensitive.
(BTW, I seemed to have a successful life. Academic achievements, married, 2 kids, husband with a good job. No one knew what was really going on)

I appreciate that but honestly nothing happened. My parents were married, my mum was a sahm until I was 10 when she then only worked very part time. There was no conflict, my parents were supportive. We were just a nice normal family. No death, job loss, abuse, significant move. Nothing

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BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 07:24

Arran2024 · 10/09/2026 22:28

Maybe he likes looking after other people. Did one of your parents expect him to look after them, either emotionally and/or practically?

Not at all - he has always been the one who has had the most looking after of all of us really!

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Smokeywater · 10/09/2026 22:45

What’s not flattering is people moving in and out of adult relationships forgetting the DCs needs, whatever class they are.

crackofdoom · 10/09/2026 22:40

So...he is quite derogatory about women who have lives like this (with multiple factors making them potentially vulnerable) yet actively chooses to form relationships with them?

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WallyHilloughby · 10/09/2026 22:38

He likes the drama? He’s controlling and co-revive? He’s immature and wants a mummy figure?

canklesmctacotits · 10/09/2026 22:36

HowardTJMoon · 10/09/2026 22:33

Yes, I'm a man. My account name is supposed to be a clue but I accept that in this thread I didn't make it explicit. The general Mumsnet view is that a man posting and explicitly saying "Man here..." is doing it wrong. So I generally don't.

No, I've never left a woman holding my baby. Quite the opposite in fact. I was a single parent to my children from when they were entering primary school.

What I'm trying to say is this: yes, women don't have a monopoly on drama but neither do men. What the OP describes is a man with a child and an ex - or "baggage", as the OP so delightfully describes them - meeting women with children/exes/"baggage".

To highlight the OP's brother as apparently thinking with his dick sets a viewpoint of him being some kind of predator to these helpless victims of his dastardly wiles. Yet he's in much the same position as they are - he's got a history, he's got responsibilities for his prior life, and he's . Why assume that these women are helpless, incapable of making rational choices and/or are making decisions for different reasons than he is? Surely it's not only men who want to have a relationship with someone because they enjoy having sex with them, is it? It's not only men who happen to fall in love with people who might not tick all the boxes of "sensible choice with a good salary and low LTV", is it?

If both parties in the relationship have a history and children from prior relationships, what makes the man the villain and the woman the victim? Do they not both have agency, choice and the possibility of thinking with their gonads rather than their heads?

I don’t believe anyone has said it’s only ever men. But the OP was asking about her brother Confused

HowardTJMoon · 10/09/2026 22:33

canklesmctacotits · 10/09/2026 22:14

Can you just say what you want to say? Because I can’t believe you don’t know the answer to the question you’ve asked - unless you’re a man who’s left a woman holding his baby.

Yes, I'm a man. My account name is supposed to be a clue but I accept that in this thread I didn't make it explicit. The general Mumsnet view is that a man posting and explicitly saying "Man here..." is doing it wrong. So I generally don't.

No, I've never left a woman holding my baby. Quite the opposite in fact. I was a single parent to my children from when they were entering primary school.

What I'm trying to say is this: yes, women don't have a monopoly on drama but neither do men. What the OP describes is a man with a child and an ex - or "baggage", as the OP so delightfully describes them - meeting women with children/exes/"baggage".

To highlight the OP's brother as apparently thinking with his dick sets a viewpoint of him being some kind of predator to these helpless victims of his dastardly wiles. Yet he's in much the same position as they are - he's got a history, he's got responsibilities for his prior life, and he's . Why assume that these women are helpless, incapable of making rational choices and/or are making decisions for different reasons than he is? Surely it's not only men who want to have a relationship with someone because they enjoy having sex with them, is it? It's not only men who happen to fall in love with people who might not tick all the boxes of "sensible choice with a good salary and low LTV", is it?

If both parties in the relationship have a history and children from prior relationships, what makes the man the villain and the woman the victim? Do they not both have agency, choice and the possibility of thinking with their gonads rather than their heads?

Wooldridge · 10/09/2026 22:32

Many 24 year old middle class boys would seriously consider someone older and more experienced. Ask any woman on dating apps in her 30s and 40s.

So that's the first relationship.

A youngish single dad isn't going to be first pick for childfree women unless he's objectively very attractive or very rich

(a mortgaged home with some equity and a "professional" job title and child maintenance isn't a lifestyle with lots of disposable income).

Since then I expect it's been a domino effect, dating other parents, as that's his dating/social scene.

After a certain age people who are single and childfree often aren't really genuinely interested in relationships, or will require a high level of incentives.

It's a big change and compromise to start any relationship, let alone be a step mum.

Add the fact that many men often value physical attraction way over job status.

His dating pool now isn't actually that large if he likes a relationship and doesn't like being single.

A lot of people really thrive in busy family environments without being overly concerned about how it looks, or any long term implications.

If he seems content I'd just let him be and emotionally detach from the situation.

Arran2024 · 10/09/2026 22:28

Maybe he likes looking after other people. Did one of your parents expect him to look after them, either emotionally and/or practically?

MyOliveViewer · 10/09/2026 22:24

Life can be funny, you could end up like one of the women you describe.

Moveoverdarlin · 10/09/2026 22:24

It’s low self esteem. He’s surrounding himself with these people so he’s the superior one. He can’t be bothered to compete with the rest if you.

LaterSunrise · 10/09/2026 22:21

BakersKitchen · 10/09/2026 21:41

I have plenty of life experience - that’s how I know that when women have had babies with multiple men, it’s not unlikely that they will want to have another

And your brother is helpless in their conniving, chaotic, vixenish grasps, clearly.

canklesmctacotits · 10/09/2026 22:14

HowardTJMoon · 10/09/2026 22:07

If they're immature, lacking emotional intelligence, thinking only with their vaginas etc then where do those additional concerns and considerations come in?

Can you just say what you want to say? Because I can’t believe you don’t know the answer to the question you’ve asked - unless you’re a man who’s left a woman holding his baby.

whatwouldlilacerullodo · 10/09/2026 22:13

My family also looks "stable middle class". No drugs, no police involvement, no spectacular problems. It took me a lifetime to realise families can be abusive in ways that are not obvious.
The most sensitive children are more affected. From your posts I'd assume your family was dysfunctional in subtle ways and your brother is more sensitive.
(BTW, I seemed to have a successful life. Academic achievements, married, 2 kids, husband with a good job. No one knew what was really going on)

HowardTJMoon · 10/09/2026 22:07

canklesmctacotits · 10/09/2026 21:56

Yeah, probably. But seeing as it’s generally women who are left holding the baby they’ll have other, additional concerns and considerations.

If they're immature, lacking emotional intelligence, thinking only with their vaginas etc then where do those additional concerns and considerations come in?

IDasIX · 10/09/2026 22:06

If you didn’t have nice middle class parents and a nice middle class husband, could you have afforded to establish and maintain a nice middle class home-owning lifestyle?

Either way you’re a snob, but if you sit in your ivory tower thanks to deposits from parents and a second income from your husband, you’re also a hypocrite.

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