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What would make a nice man from a normal, uncomplicated, middle class family choose to keep getting involved with women with so much baggage?

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BakersKitchen · 10/09/2026 17:29

I’m talking about my DB - of course he now has baggage himself so finding someone with zero baggage is probably out of the equation!

He is recently in another relationship, following a divorce, with a woman who has complicated circumstances. The women all have children from previous relationships (this current one has two from two different fathers and has had another cohabiting partner since). The previous one was much older and her child was the product of an affair which led to the relationship breakdown.

He also has his own child with his ex wife, who also had her own child from a previous relationship and was also much older than him. He married her extremely quickly after not having known her very long at all. He is now repenting at leisure!

All the women are on low incomes, supported by UC, living in poor quality rented accommodation or social housing. DB owns his own home and I wonder if they see him as a meal ticket although the divorce has cleared him out and his LTV is now back down to about 12%.

I can’t understand it. Why doesn’t he want to meet someone without all this drama and baggage?

We are (outside of this) a very nice normal middle class family with married parents and zero drama. My other brother, cousins, and I have all married nice, professional, university educated partners with no prior children and I’m finding myself increasingly frustrated that he keeps introducing these women and their children into our family dynamic, and then out again.

I feel desperately sorry for all children involved and extremely concerned there’s going to be another pregnancy announcement soon!

What’s the psychology here? Is it wanting to feel needed? Low self esteem? The irony is he has always been so judgemental about these sorts of situations and here he is living it!

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Sharptonguedwoman · 11/09/2026 20:51

HappySummerFun · 10/09/2026 19:19

my question is why he has chosen to create this for himself when it’s not how he was brought up, there was no need!

First thing that comes to my mind... he's 'different' from the rest of you in some way (ADHD, BPD, something else or maybe just his personality) and his upbringing didn't meet his particular needs though it may have worked fine for the rest of you. Some ducklings just don't walk in a line.

Oh I love the ducklings analogy!

BobMumBobIsMyDog · 11/09/2026 19:57

I'd be careful if I was you. Life has a way of smacking you in the face when you least expect it. I say that as someone married for over thirty years with both DH and my DPs married for sixty years.
A couple of bereavements or an affair sending MH spiralling, and who knows where you'd be. I've seen it happen to those you'd least expect.

caringcarer · 11/09/2026 18:35

Some men like to feel they are rescuing a woman. It makes him feel like a hero

BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 18:31

Laura95167 · 11/09/2026 18:21

Im sorry but uf he has DC and DSC from his prior marriage even if he now only considers his DC his.. he has bagage too.

But you sound incredibly judgemental, and like your brother is "better" than these women.

I’ve said multiple times, including in my op, that I acknowledge he now also has baggage.

My point is he never needed to start out with these women in the first place. And then he certainly didn’t need to continue it.

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BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 18:30

Sometimessmiling · 11/09/2026 18:15

I get it, would hate this for my son

Yes my mum hates it too - it’s not really a lifestyle you would choose which is why I can’t understand why he has

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Laura95167 · 11/09/2026 18:21

BakersKitchen · 10/09/2026 17:29

I’m talking about my DB - of course he now has baggage himself so finding someone with zero baggage is probably out of the equation!

He is recently in another relationship, following a divorce, with a woman who has complicated circumstances. The women all have children from previous relationships (this current one has two from two different fathers and has had another cohabiting partner since). The previous one was much older and her child was the product of an affair which led to the relationship breakdown.

He also has his own child with his ex wife, who also had her own child from a previous relationship and was also much older than him. He married her extremely quickly after not having known her very long at all. He is now repenting at leisure!

All the women are on low incomes, supported by UC, living in poor quality rented accommodation or social housing. DB owns his own home and I wonder if they see him as a meal ticket although the divorce has cleared him out and his LTV is now back down to about 12%.

I can’t understand it. Why doesn’t he want to meet someone without all this drama and baggage?

We are (outside of this) a very nice normal middle class family with married parents and zero drama. My other brother, cousins, and I have all married nice, professional, university educated partners with no prior children and I’m finding myself increasingly frustrated that he keeps introducing these women and their children into our family dynamic, and then out again.

I feel desperately sorry for all children involved and extremely concerned there’s going to be another pregnancy announcement soon!

What’s the psychology here? Is it wanting to feel needed? Low self esteem? The irony is he has always been so judgemental about these sorts of situations and here he is living it!

Im sorry but uf he has DC and DSC from his prior marriage even if he now only considers his DC his.. he has bagage too.

But you sound incredibly judgemental, and like your brother is "better" than these women.

Sometimessmiling · 11/09/2026 18:15

BakersKitchen · 10/09/2026 17:39

Well he always says he wants to settle down but he’s not choosing people that settling down is particularly viable with!

I get it, would hate this for my son

violetcuriosity · 11/09/2026 15:56

‘We are outside of this a very nice normal middle class family’

So people who haven’t had the same opportunities as you can’t be nice or normal? I have 3 degrees and was left as a single parent, thank god my partner didn’t have the same views on me as you 😂.

Retro12 · 11/09/2026 15:38

BakersKitchen · 10/09/2026 21:41

I have plenty of life experience - that’s how I know that when women have had babies with multiple men, it’s not unlikely that they will want to have another

It takes two to tango!

Your brother has chosen to be in relationships with these women because he obviously sees something in them. You might view their lifestyle as chaotic, but he may see it as exciting or spontaneous. Just because you've grown up in the same household doesn't mean you're going to make the same choices or be attracted to the same things. That's a bit short-sighted, to be honest. Siblings can be completely different people, with different personalities, values, and priorities.

What appeals to you doesn't necessarily appeal to him, and vice versa. That's just human nature.

OvernightBloats · 11/09/2026 14:07

The middle class upbringing is a red herring. Your brother has always needed extra help and care from your parents so the sign was always there.

Away from your parents guiding hand, he has led a life that is chaotic because that is who he is. He has baggage but you are seeing his baggage as somehow less than the women he has been involved with.

Your focus shouldn't be on the women he has been involved with and really you should see your brother as the person he really is. Also, bear in mind, you never know how he truly treats the women he is involved with behind closed doors.

Moominhug · 11/09/2026 14:06

I used to have a male friend who was intelligent, cultured and attractive who used to complain that he only attracted 'crazy' women who took advantaged of the fact that he had a good, well paid job and was 'empathic'. I learned later on that behind close doors he was abusing all his girlfriends and purposely targeted vulnerable, unstable women and of course no longer had anything to do with him. So the facade of middle class respectability and niceness just was a smoke screen for a predator.

This. If a man has one "crazy problem ex" I might,.just might, think there's a glimmer of truth in his story. It all his ex girlfriends are "crazy" then we have to look at the common denominator

Greenseacat · 11/09/2026 13:38

Well, he is the common denominator in that story.

So I am not sure why you choose to criticise/blame these women and imply they are not good enough for him.

For all you know he thrives on drama or seeks these women because he has a saviour complex.

Or he might even have darker motives and targets women who are vulnerable in some way because he thinks they are easier to control and more likely to put up with a dubious partner because these women lack self-confidence. Or he might target vulnerable women with kids on purpose.

Frankly you need to get off your high horse and look at your brother with a more critical eye.

I used to have a male friend who was intelligent, cultured and attractive who used to complain that he only attracted 'crazy' women who took advantaged of the fact that he had a good, well paid job and was 'empathic'. I learned later on that behind close doors he was abusing all his girlfriends and purposely targeted vulnerable, unstable women and of course no longer had anything to do with him. So the facade of middle class respectability and niceness just was a smoke screen for a predator.

arethereanyleftatall · 11/09/2026 13:24

BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 13:10

You say that but I work full time (and make more than my DH), my other brothers wife also works full time

When mothers work full time, it tends to be because the father supports them and contributes equal parenting once they’re both home. Some fathers don’t do this, and so the mother isn’t able to work full time because they carry the full load at home. Is your brother one of those fathers?

BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 13:10

TiggersTheOnlyOne · 11/09/2026 13:03

Why would he expect his partners to work? The normal middle class lifestyle modelled to him as a child was a SAHM. I wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole because his family seems judgemental and toxic. How many people do you think enter into relationships expecting them to breakdown and them to end up with baggage? I certainly didn’t but here I am with baggage of my own… I’m just wise enough to know that single is better than a relationship with a man and a toxic extended family

You say that but I work full time (and make more than my DH), my other brothers wife also works full time

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TiggersTheOnlyOne · 11/09/2026 13:03

Why would he expect his partners to work? The normal middle class lifestyle modelled to him as a child was a SAHM. I wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole because his family seems judgemental and toxic. How many people do you think enter into relationships expecting them to breakdown and them to end up with baggage? I certainly didn’t but here I am with baggage of my own… I’m just wise enough to know that single is better than a relationship with a man and a toxic extended family

MyOliveViewer · 11/09/2026 13:00

BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 12:49

Weak - she has ended up with more than half despite contributing very little

She contributed X years of her life the same as your DB did.

arethereanyleftatall · 11/09/2026 12:57

BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 12:49

Weak - she has ended up with more than half despite contributing very little

Divorces are signed off by independent judges. If it isn’t fair, they won’t sign it off. It isn’t about being ‘weak’, there isn’t really an option thankfully to be either weak or strong; just a fair allocation to each party. Are you meaning by ‘contributing very little’ that he did far more in terms of both earned money, childcare and housework? Or do you mean she contributed little financially - because she was doing the parenting?

Rachelshair · 11/09/2026 12:50

Life, or a child, isn't a vending machine where you put in a SAHM, married parents, own house and car, good education and receive a stable, well- adjusted, self -sufficient adult who will choose a respectable partner in return. Plenty of "well brought up" kids turn to drugs, seek out unsuitable partners, drop out etc. You're unreasonable thinking a comfortable upbringing innoculates someone from having flaws or issues.
You resent him, but all you're being expected to do is be nice to a few kids sometimes really. Just be happy that it's not your life that's complicated.

BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 12:49

MyOliveViewer · 11/09/2026 12:42

Weak or being a decent person?

Weak - she has ended up with more than half despite contributing very little

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MyOliveViewer · 11/09/2026 12:42

BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 09:45

Yeah we definitely solid middle class although in the last 10 years or so my parents have come into money, largely through selling their house for £600k profit and a six figure redundancy that my dad received. They have been able to financially help us out and in the case of the ex wife she has definitely benefited from this in a way that that enabled to her to achieve goals she never would have been able to manage on her own. DB was weak in his divorce imo and gave her far too much and is paying for it now.

Weak or being a decent person?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 11/09/2026 12:24

HowardTJMoon · 10/09/2026 21:21

Sure. The only reason a man would possibly consider dating a woman who's below him in social standing is because he wants power over them. It can't possibly be because he thinks they're a nice person - after all, who could possibly think someone who earns less than they do and doesn't own a house could in any way be a suitable partner? - it's got to be because he's exploiting them somehow.

FFS.

When there's a pattern of repeatedly selecting low-income women, it's not a coincidence but his choice.

BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 11:49

arethereanyleftatall · 11/09/2026 11:45

This is the root of your bitterness/enquiry isn’t it? That an unrelated person to your parents have got their hands on your parents money which you believe should be yours and your siblings. My advice to you is make your own money, support yourself; then you don’t need to get unhappy or ruminate about the whys of some money that you also haven’t earnt is going somewhere else.

Well it doesn’t really affect me directly because my parents have adjusted their wills so my other brother and I don’t get less but I still think it’s horribly unfair

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arethereanyleftatall · 11/09/2026 11:45

BakersKitchen · 11/09/2026 09:45

Yeah we definitely solid middle class although in the last 10 years or so my parents have come into money, largely through selling their house for £600k profit and a six figure redundancy that my dad received. They have been able to financially help us out and in the case of the ex wife she has definitely benefited from this in a way that that enabled to her to achieve goals she never would have been able to manage on her own. DB was weak in his divorce imo and gave her far too much and is paying for it now.

This is the root of your bitterness/enquiry isn’t it? That an unrelated person to your parents have got their hands on your parents money which you believe should be yours and your siblings. My advice to you is make your own money, support yourself; then you don’t need to get unhappy or ruminate about the whys of some money that you also haven’t earnt is going somewhere else.

user1476613140 · 11/09/2026 10:41

isitfridayyetttt · 10/09/2026 18:00

Hes thinking with his willy

Exactly. He's only interested in what he's getting from the situation. My NDN is married to a woman who already had 3 DC to someone else than they had one together....only after one thing.

TruffleSlinky · 11/09/2026 09:59

OP, my brother has had two serious live in partners in his life (his ex wife and his current partner). In both cases, for different reasons, they didn't / don't work and he was / is the sole breadwinner. It seems surprising to me that after supporting his ex wife for around 15 years he would choose to be in another relationship with someone in the same position. His choice though!

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