Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

Do you live in America? If not, you are indulging in 'misogynist telescopic philanthropy'.

I don't expect women to bring their babies along to marches and hold them up and say 'same Lindsay' as if to say there but for the grace of god go I. I don't expect women to say that men are not 'allowed' have an opinion on this case because they can't suffer from PPP. I also don't expect women to shut down the debate on the case and say that only someone who has watched the entire trial is allowed to talk about it, which I've seen a lot, on this thread too. I don't expect women to have copycat killings.

'This case is being heard to determine whether she ends up in prison or psychiatric hospital. And clearly I favour the latter. She has a full life sentence anyway'.

And what if she's allowed out after a 6 month review? Would you be ok with that?

That’s right. She went into cardiac arrest, she had requested a DNR but the doctors had overruled that on the basis of lack of capacity. And they managed to revive her.

She was given Zoloft and despite her bad reaction the dose was doubled.

When she was later given Prozac, another SSRI, she did not report a good reaction to it, no. She reported intensifying insomnia and anxiety.

Why she was re-prescribed it with that history idk.

After that she was given Seroquel (bipolar med) by a nurse practitioner which caused a significant turn for the worse which ended up in hospitalisation and the med was stopped.

It’s not that SSRIs may “trigger bipolar” from scratch but that they may trigger mania/hypomania in someone with an underlying tendency to bipolar. Just as they may trigger depressive symptoms in susceptible individuals.

At the end of the day, there's no actual proof she was in psychosis at the time of planning and carrying out the murders of her children.

We can't see into people's minds. Everyone who saw her leading up to the murders said they had no concerns about irrationality or other behaviours which are commonly seen in the presentation of psychosis.

Usually mothers with delusions like this have a specific belief - that they needed to protect their children by killing them, or they were 'demons' etc.

She hasn't come up with any of that. Just that a man's voice told her to do it, NOT that it was 'God' commanding her etc. A random man.

She does not present as someone who feels like her life is over because she murdered her children. She has been planning what she wants to do in future.

She's just a psychopath who got bored, frustrated and resentful after having her 3rd kid (assumably by choice) and didn't want to deal with them anymore, couldn't leave because she was a narcissistic control freak who wouldn't let anyone else raise them and they'd be miserable without her, so she decided to kill them and injure herself to get sympathy.

I don't think she intended her injuries to be as serious as they were. She was apparently sitting on the window ledge with her legs in front of her to reduce her fall. Probably inadvertently turned as she pushed herself off and landed on her back. You can't rehearse throwing yourself out of a window, can you?

And did basically die of her injuries, it’s just that the hospital managed to revive her.

I'm surprised there isn't a queue at this hospital where the dead are being raised to life! Seriously, exaggeration does not help or strengthen your point, keep to the facts.

What a bizarre way to say the dc who experienced fear and pain shouldn’t be considered.

I am aware that SSRIs are contraindicated for bipolar without a concurrent mood stabiliser. Or that is what I know from the past, perhaps thinking has changed.

But as she was prescribed Zoloft in September 2022, and took it for one week and then discontinued it, I very much doubt it would cause a problem 4 months down the line.

She was prescribed a very low dose of Prozac in November and had apparently taken it prior with a good response. It seems she didn't continue to take it.

In December she was re-prescribed Prozac along with a mood stabiliser (Lamactil), which is precisely what is recommended to avert any triggering of a tendency to bipolar. But again, I am not up on current thinking around this.

None of the drugs she was using after this would be likely to trigger bipolar or be contraindicated for bipolar, from what I can see.

How did you expect women to react?

I don’t personally indulge misogynist telescopic philanthropy which focuses in the children to the exclusion of LC. She experienced the most appalling suffering. And did basically die of her injuries, it’s just that the hospital managed to revive her.

This case is being heard to determine whether she ends up in prison or psychiatric hospital. And clearly I favour the latter. She has a full life sentence anyway.

Brief summary of some of her medication and reactions:

Zoloft, sertraline is an SSRI which can trigger manic episodes, was the first. She didn’t sleep for 48 hours on it experienced racing thoughts and increased anxiety. Nonetheless the dose was increased from 25mg to 50mg.

She was then given a cocktail of medications for insomnia and heart palpitations.

She was later given Prozac - another SSRI ie in the same class ie one that can trigger mania in bipolar. Given her poor reaction to Zoloft this was a strange choice.

LC then reported intensifying insomnia which should have been a red flag for drug intolerance or bipolar

She was given more sleep and anti anxiety medication.

She then experienced disassociation perceiving the world around her as “unstable”, “distorted” and “distant”. She reported feeling “disconnected” from her own body, unable to drive unable to be left alone.

This should’ve flagged a reassessment of the whole diagnosis and drug treatment.

At this point, she sees, not a psychiatrist, but another nurse practitioner who gave her Seroquel a bipolar med.

Her condition then took a dramatic turn for the worse – she experienced suicidal ideation, began experiencing what she described as “intrusive thoughts “ the voices said “I will not be the same I want to die”

She described herself to her husband and parents as feeling “emotionless “and “like a zombie”.

She lost 15 lbs, had no appetite and experienced panic attacks and confusion and experience a lack of attention over the days.

She was so scared by this she called the suicide hotline but they failed to hospitalise her as she didn’t have a particular suicide plan.

Rang another hotline but again they didn’t because she didn’t have a plan.

Her husband then followed up with her nurse practitioner. He said LC was now “10,000 times worse since she started this medication“. He asked if they could get LC off the medication and start from scratch.

But instead of stopping the medication, the nurse increased the dose.

PC then contacted the nurse again to say LC had had her worst week yet - he said she had had loud repeated auditory hallucinations all day, couldn’t get out of bed.

She later reported to PC snd her mother that she had thoughts of killing herself and harming the kids. She had delusions that people could hear her thoughts, that she would be locked up and have her children taken away.

She was then hospitalised and the Seroquel was stopped.

But she was then given another AD Amitriptyline and the dose increased the day before the killings.

On the day itself she reported waking up with suicidal thoughts, had suicidal hallucinations all day which later in the day begins to focus on harming the children.

Would you answer my question? What does evidence of psychosis look like for you?

Well, it wouldn't occur in a convenient short 20-40 minute window and then never appear again, for starters.

You’ve been given the list of meds from her toxicology report.

Have I?

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You’ve been given the list of meds from her toxicology report.

Would you answer my question? What does evidence of psychosis look like for you?

And how can a totally sane cold blooded murderer also be actively suicidal at the same time?

she has no injuries from her bodies auto response to jumping out of a window. She didn’t put her arms out to protect herself. How is someone able to override those natural human instincts?

I'm highlighting the inconsistency in the law and the fact that people, especially women, are reacting a lot differently to this case than I would have expected. I'm highlighting how previous cases involving men with mental illness didn't have hoards of men standing in solidarity.
Do you think you'd be one of the women in pink holding up signs supporting LC? I wouldn't be. My sympathies lie with the victims, the three innocent children. Sad though it is if she was mentally ill (I'm not convinced she was), she still killed her children. I think if people are saying the system failed her they need to address that issue but she shouldn't be let off with the crime. Yes, if found NGRI I would expect her to be sent to a psychiatric unit but how long would she stay there? If she was only psychotic for the period of the crime, and arguably for some time before and is fine now where does that leave her? Wouldn't she be up for release in a relatively short time?

Maybe that's the crux of the matter- to what level can mental illness be used to mitigate against the severity of the sentence. What do you think should happen in the LC case? Apologies if I've missed it. I've read the whole thread in spurts and starts.

No, I trust the media more than you.

She killed him first. That says something. The coroner alluded to the fact that by the markings of the ligatures on his neck he must have resisted and the exercise bands were reapplied. She wrote about him on a FB post describing him as "the most difficult human" she'd ever encountered. There was a lot of evidence that she resented him in particular. Hated, resented - it's semantics, really, over a murdered three-year-old, and a murdered five-year-old, and a murdered eight-month-old baby, by the person who they relied on and trusted.

The fact you can't seem to factor in the horror and terror of their deaths says it all to me, actually.

Sorry, didn't realise one had to watch the trial to post on your thread, where it has become abundantly clear your OP is disingenuous to the max.

I trust the media over an expert in Massachusetts' law, like yourself though.

It was cynical ploy by that disgusting lawyer defending her to try to paint Clancy as someone who was 'failed' by everyone around her as if she is the victim.

Many people are failed by the mental health care system in the US because they don't have the money or advocates to get them the help they need.

Clancy was not in that category - the opposite in fact.

We’ve also seen a female journalist get publically bollocked and painted as a LC supporter for smiling at the camera prior to the trial (even though she said it was just a nervous reaction to having the camera on her).

Well, this one you are just plainly misrepresenting. Brittany Romano smiled and winked at the camera. i’m sure she did say it was just a nervous reaction. She would, wouldn’t she. That doesn’t make it true.