Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

Without the input of mental health professionals? Please cite the law that states this is possible.

And considering she discharged herself from Maclean hospital earlier in the month of the killings, do you really think that they would have been able to hold her involuntarily?

Honestly wake up - stop climbing over yourself to defend a child killer.

So why blame the spouse?

Wrong again, they can initiate a legal process but they cannot get her sectioned witthout the final input of mental health professionals.

Did you miss my earlier post

According to Google, involuntary psychiatric holds or civil commitments in the U.S. cannot be finalized without medical or mental health professionals, but a spouse or private citizen can initiate the legal process.

Do you think mental health professionals were brought down in the last shower?

A relative can report thoughts of harm to self or others, and family input is often vital during an MHA (Mental Health Act) assessment.

If an individual denies symptoms to a psychiatrist, clinicians look beyond self-reporting.

They make their own behavioural assessment and evaluate third party evidence, medical history, risk indicators etc to form a legal decision.

Family members can provide a written record directly to the care team documenting incidents, quotes, statements of anything they may deny during assessment. This can’t be ignored simply because a patient denies them.

Equally family can exercise nearest relative right to request a mental health assessment.

Indeed they will always blame the man. The fact that her mother is not mentioned at all despite her testimony about LC's thoughts...

I think a spouse can apply for a section 12e then the Judge can initiate an assessment or section, in an emergency you call 911. The whole family must feel dreadful and wonder should they have done anything differently.

Apologies I was unclear. I’m agreeing with you. I don’t think PC or LC’s mother acted wrongly. I’m saying that if someone says one did, then they should judge both. But my experience on MN is that people will fall over themselves to find a reason not to judge a woman when they would have no qualms judging a man who did the same thing.

And the implications of that are what exactly if she denied having such thoughts to her treating psychiatrist?

Here you go again, you just cannot stop with the victim blaming can you?

I don't have a problem at all with Europeans discussing American cases. Why would I? I'm a European. Presumeably most people on this thread are. You're the one who said that you 'don’t personally indulge misogynist telescopic philanthropy which focuses in the children to the exclusion of LC'. This is a nebulous, ill-defined configuration of words which I took to mean
'using long-distance, high-profile charity to ignore the immediate suffering of women close to home'
in which case if you're not actually in America, isn't that what you're doing?
Feel free to let me know if you meant something else by this phrase.

I never said your perspective was misogynistic. Why would I say this? I think the confusion here is not using clear terms.

'You have a lot to complain about women I wonder why that is. If you simply don’t like them, this may not be the forum for you'.

Are you suggesting that because I don't share some women's reaction to the Lindsay Clancy case and because I don't completely buy that she was suffering from psychosis that I'm not a woman? There are plenty of women like me who share this viewpoint. And men as it happens.
My position is that I'm not as yet convinced there is enough evidence to show she was psychotic. Mentally unwell definitely and she needed to get help.

I've been posting on this forum for years. I don't feel you have the right to tell anyone they shouldn't post here just because you disagree with them or because you've erroneously decided I don't like women (based on what I have no idea).

I'm interested in hearing other people's views on the case and seeing why they have come to different conclusions to me and thankfully that there are a lot of people on this thread sharing the same desire to learn more about the case and engage in a respectful way.

According to Google, involuntary psychiatric holds or civil commitments in the U.S. cannot be finalized without medical or mental health professionals, but a spouse or private citizen can initiate the legal process.

Are you trying to suggest that Patrick could have got her sectioned without her being assessed by mental health experts?

No, I think if you read through all the comments on this thread, you’ll find that an awful lot of people really do not understand psychosis and that’s what I’m referring to.

Never at any point have I said that the murders are the sole evidence of psychosis.

You said of the murders “it is that action that precisely determines just how unwell she was”.

it is convenient that you exclude ‘killing your children’ on the list of acceptable behaviour or evidence of a mentally unwell woman achieving 1 or 2 above, when it is that action that precisely determines just how unwell she was.

A mental health crisis which doesn’t reach the threshold for NGRI and a lack of know motive for murder are not sufficient to show lack of criminal responsibility.

You can wrap it up in any way you like, but your comments come as close to victim blaming that I have ever seen.

Whatever Patrick feels or needs to process in order to try and come to terms with the horror he has lived through, is his right to feel.

It does not alter or have a bearing on the facts of this case.

Exactly of course you can't....

Which is why the blaming of Patrick for not reporting her intrusive thoughts is so reductive and wrong, as she denied any thoughts of harm to the treating psychiatrist.

She saw Dr Tufts the day before she murdered her children. There were no signs of psychosis or thoughts of harm. Seems like everyone else is responsible apart from Lindsay Clancy for the murder of her children.

Can you get someone sectioned if a psychiatrist says no? A spouse can’t just say do this can they

No I am not suggesting that her mother acted wrongly.

I am just asserting that if Patrick is to be admonished for not reporting LC's intrusive thoughts about her children, why is her mother not having the same admonishment. Her mother testified at the trial that she had thoughts of harming her children.

People are just climbing over themselves to blame Patrick.