Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

It's short-hand for "A woman kills her children. Let's find a man to blame."

It is. We don’t know that they didn’t just start as friends. But he gets so much hate for getting re married 3 years later. I don’t think that’s fair. He is probably broken in ways most of us will never experience. I don’t know. I just think he’s suffered enough.

Men don’t suffer from postpartum psychosis nor postpartum depression, the clue is in the word “postpartum”.

Well she’ll pay for her “crime” regardless of the verdict. Her children are dead and she states (and I see no reason to disbelieve her) that she’s traumatised by that and wishes she hadn’t done what she did.

She will grieve those children for ever. She’s paralysed, permanently. Even if found not guilty she’s likely to spend quite some time in a psychiatric unit where she’s currently an inpatient. She has no choice in this, she’s lost her liberty.

As I said very few people thought LL was innocent at the time, so that’s only with hindsight.

Many want LC hung drawn and quartered due to the emotive evidence. When children are murdered is someone needs to pay. And that’s the problem with hearing such cases in a court with full media coverage.

If LC was psychotic she is innocent of murder in the first degree. despite having killed her children. In this country it would be on the grounds of diminished responsibility.

Is anybody watching the press conference on sky? That bloody lawyer is acting like he’s been given an Oscar, he praising all his colleagues blah blah.:: some guy is actually wearing at shirt saying “court dawg” and they’re all hugging him at the microphone, absolutely no sense of dignity at all. It’s just so crass.

Where are the families?

It’s equally tragic as 3 children being strangled? No.

I've not closely followed this trail. What does ask Patrick mean?

Why does no one let the fathers off who kill their families but the mothers are always excused for being "mentally ill"? She killed three little kids. She's fucking evil.

I never understand these threads. How can anyone answer this question unless you are intimately involved with the person/family? It’s not like an episode of the Traitors where you’re guessing based on vibezzz.

She reported a number of symptoms of psychosis over a period of time when she was seeking help. It was not just that she said she was psychotic at a specific time.

Yes it is tragic. Its equally tragic that a woman who feared she would be a danger to her children was ignored when she asked for help.

I would rather see someone like this in a hospital than a prison.

The voices were there before. In any case voices are only one aspect of psychosis. You can be psychotic with no auditory hallucinations.

After the event she may have got better treatment.

I can't look past the fact that there doesn't seem to be any proof of her psychosis other than the fact that she claims to have been psychotic for the period of time that she killed her children. And the proof of her psychosis is the killing of her kids, so it's a circular argument. What makes you think she was psychotic- well, she killed her kids. Why did she kill her kids- she was psychotic.

Either way, whether psychotic or not, I believe she should pay for the crime.

I meant found guilty and imprisoned.

Those poor children. Fucking hell.

She has been charged. The issue here is that the prosecution decided to go for first degree murder charges. There would have been discussions prior to going to trial, but they decided to go for the maximum charge. The trial may have gone very differently if different charges were proposed.

Quite, you were taking about them in the same sentence regarding the emotive topics and the limitations that the public has to understand more complex medical issues. I was pointing out that I think one is innocent because there was no actual evidence. Everyone wanted her hung drawn and quartered due to the emotive nature,

I can’t believe anyone thinks anything other than mental illness. That poor woman.

As her lawyer said in his summing up, referring to photographs of Lindsay before and after, ‘How does this turn into this? How? Because of the damn medicine and the lousy medical care that she got.’

She needs to be acquitted and looked after in a mental health facility. There is no way she should go to prison.

Ha ha! See Lucy Letby.

Every time I see a photo of the children I get overwhelmed with emotion and horror. They were absolutely beautiful. I’m firmly in the camp of viewing the children as the victims of this crime and I believe LC should be charged despite any kind of mental illness.

What a bizarre judicial system it is where this decision is left to 12 randoms rather than experts. Would this happen in the U.K.?

Mental illness clearly

But why does that mean that she didn't intend to kill her children in what was a violent horrible death? Three times. And yet the voices in her head have not been back before or since. I think she is lying and it was a very cold, calculating act. Sure shes remorseful now, after the children are dead.