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Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

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KellyK2026 · 04/09/2026 16:50

Lindsay Clancy, what do we all think? Pure evil or mentally ill?

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EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:42

Aluna · Yesterday 20:32

JT finished med school in 2018. Did 4 years postgrad training in psychiatry finishing in 2022. Started work at the clinic in 2022. She treated LC one month after joining the private practice and roughly two months after finishing her residency training

Perhaps a more experienced one would have been more curious. Presumably she will learn from this case.

I don’t mind the posts about any failings with the system, but I agree with @BingoJingore PC.

He’s already seen the worst thing imaginable, he doesn’t need internet blame for any of it.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:41

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:26

Really? I find this blame so bizarre.

I get the points about the system perhaps not dealing with LC appropriately but to push this on to PC and the mother who you say should have sectioned her, I find too much.

Again, I’ve repeatedly said I don’t blame Patrick of LC’s mother. However, this does represent a very real missed opportunity. I do think the car has highlighted how important it is for information not to be held within the family when it pertains to a serious risk to minors. Every case will have lessons learnt and I think people watching the trail, who might’ve passed off their partner’s comments as just comments, might think a bit more seriously about them and act on it.

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BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:38

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:29

But could LC get the support she needed if the treating psychiatrists didn’t know the full truth? Surely as the spouse you’d want to let authorities know the full truth so they can treat your partner accordingly? You’re telling me that if your partner disclosed to you that he had thoughts of harming your family you wouldn’t disclose that information to the people that are treating him? I find that utterly bizarre.

If you listen to the testimony, what Patrick said is that “She described thoughts of hurting the kids or them having some sort of ailment,” he said, adding he wasn’t concerned for their safety because she didn’t show “any intention” of harming them."

I think we need to lay off Patrick now, the man has been tormented and subjected to horrific online bullying accusations.

Whatever he did or did not do, or report, I do not think it would have made a difference because she denied any such thoughts to the treating psychiatrists.

And importantly, she expressed no plans or intentions of harm. She was assessed extensively by psychiatrists. None of them said she had PPP but we are all meant to believe that she had it in those moments when she killed her kids under the authority of a vague command voice? Sorry I am not buying it.

She made the decisions on what to do, how to kill them, how long to apply the pressure of those bands, before moving onto the next. None of the expert witness psychiatrists (for both defence and prosecution) said anything different.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:34

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:29

Acted how?

By informing the psychiatrist?

And then LC denies having any plans to harm as she did multiple times to Jennifer Tufts including the day before the killings?

You do know that the psychiatrist will not just go on the words of the spouse or mother.

And there we are again with the victim blaming.

I don’t actually have any strong opinions on LC. I’ve repeatedly said her actions were wrong. However, they didn’t happen in a vacuum. There were multiple missed opportunities. Her ex husband has defended her. Her in/laws have defended her. Her family have defended her. Medical professionals treating her admitted wrong-doing. Just because I recognise that doesn’t mean I support a child killer. What I support is exposing flaws in the system around her because, if they aren’t addressed, more children will die. I support proper postnatal support and I support the law.

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Aluna · Yesterday 20:34

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:05

So why blame the spouse?

I haven’t?

Aluna · Yesterday 20:32

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:19

So what happened for LC to answer JT as she did? She’s in front of a psychiatrist already, who believed her and didn’t section.

JT finished med school in 2018. Did 4 years postgrad training in psychiatry finishing in 2022. Started work at the clinic in 2022. She treated LC one month after joining the private practice and roughly two months after finishing her residency training

Perhaps a more experienced one would have been more curious. Presumably she will learn from this case.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:29

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:26

Sigh, yet again you are missing important points. The details below do contradict your assertion because it simply states the family can contact local servides or petition a distric court for an emergency health order. The medical experts are the ones who can execute the section 12 order.

  • Initiating an Emergency Evaluation: While medical professionals or police typically execute a Section 12 directly, families can contact local emergency services or petition a district court for an emergency mental health order. 1, 2]

Do you really think a judge is going to deprive someone of their liberty on the word of a spouse by submitting them to an involuntary hold? You do know that LC admitted herself to Maclean Hospital and then discharged herself...

But could LC get the support she needed if the treating psychiatrists didn’t know the full truth? Surely as the spouse you’d want to let authorities know the full truth so they can treat your partner accordingly? You’re telling me that if your partner disclosed to you that he had thoughts of harming your family you wouldn’t disclose that information to the people that are treating him? I find that utterly bizarre.

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BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:29

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:24

That’s a moot point. The psychiatrist didn’t know that LC had thoughts of harming her children, but her husband and mother did. Therefore they could’ve acted knowing this information. They didn’t for whatever reason.

Acted how?

By informing the psychiatrist?

And then LC denies having any plans to harm as she did multiple times to Jennifer Tufts including the day before the killings?

You do know that the psychiatrist will not just go on the words of the spouse or mother.

And there we are again with the victim blaming.

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:26

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:19

By confronting you with facts that show that in Massachusetts a spouse can be immediately held against their will? You’re clutching at straws here…

Sigh, yet again you are missing important points. The details below do contradict your assertion because it simply states the family can contact local servides or petition a distric court for an emergency health order. The medical experts are the ones who can execute the section 12 order.

  • Initiating an Emergency Evaluation: While medical professionals or police typically execute a Section 12 directly, families can contact local emergency services or petition a district court for an emergency mental health order. 1, 2]

Do you really think a judge is going to deprive someone of their liberty on the word of a spouse by submitting them to an involuntary hold? You do know that LC admitted herself to Maclean Hospital and then discharged herself...

Involuntary treatment in Massachusetts

How Involuntary Treatment in Massachusetts Works

Are you wondering what involuntary treatment in Massachusetts looks like? Learn what is is and how the state handles it.

https://newwaverecoverycenter.com/blog/involuntary-treatment-in-massachusetts/

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:26

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:24

That’s a moot point. The psychiatrist didn’t know that LC had thoughts of harming her children, but her husband and mother did. Therefore they could’ve acted knowing this information. They didn’t for whatever reason.

Really? I find this blame so bizarre.

I get the points about the system perhaps not dealing with LC appropriately but to push this on to PC and the mother who you say should have sectioned her, I find too much.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:24

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:19

So what happened for LC to answer JT as she did? She’s in front of a psychiatrist already, who believed her and didn’t section.

That’s a moot point. The psychiatrist didn’t know that LC had thoughts of harming her children, but her husband and mother did. Therefore they could’ve acted knowing this information. They didn’t for whatever reason.

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Aluna · Yesterday 20:21

@BruachAbhann

using long-distance, high-profile charity to ignore the immediate suffering of women close to home

Why would you think it meant that? I would have thought it self-explanatory from the sentence:

“I don’t personally indulge misogynist telescopic philanthropy which focuses on the children to the exclusion of LC”

I meant a narrowly directed concern focused solely on the children to the exclusion of their mother. That is the misogyny.

You did try to imply I was misogynist with the following words:

”you are indulging in 'misogynist telescopic philanthropy'”

There is nothing misogynist whatsoever in anything I have said.

As to the claim there’s not sufficient evidence to show she was psychotic - there was plenty of evidence at the trial of psychotic symptoms so either you didn’t bother to follow the evidence or you didn’t realise that’s what they were.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:19

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:18

This is in Massachusetts. If your partner expresses that they are a risk to themselves or others they can be held immediately and against their will.

Section 12: Emergency Mental Health Commitment
If your spouse is experiencing a psychiatric crisis, severe depression, or psychosis where they cannot protect themselves or are a danger to others, an emergency evaluation under Section 12 applies. 1]

  • Initiating an Emergency Evaluation: While medical professionals or police typically execute a Section 12 directly, families can contact local emergency services or petition a district court for an emergency mental health order. 1, 2]
  • Temporary Evaluation: A Section 12 allows police or medical personnel to transport your spouse to a hospital emergency department or psychiatric facility against their will for a temporary evaluation, which generally lasts up to 3 days (72 hours). 1, 2]
  • Further Action: During those three days, the facility's psychiatrists evaluate your spouse to decide if they meet the threshold for a longer, formal court-ordered commitment or if they can be discharged or treated voluntarily. 1]
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So what happened for LC to answer JT as she did? She’s in front of a psychiatrist already, who believed her and didn’t section.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:19

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:16

Oh according to Miss Moneypenny @KellyK2026 you can..

But then again she is heavily invested in jumping to outlandish conclusions in her desire to give neverending support to the child killer.

By confronting you with facts that show that in Massachusetts a spouse can be immediately held against their will? You’re clutching at straws here…

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KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:18

MissMoneyFairy · Yesterday 20:14

Nowhere have I read that a spouse or parent can have someone sectioned, they can request an assessment or contact the emergency services

This is in Massachusetts. If your partner expresses that they are a risk to themselves or others they can be held immediately and against their will.

Section 12: Emergency Mental Health Commitment
If your spouse is experiencing a psychiatric crisis, severe depression, or psychosis where they cannot protect themselves or are a danger to others, an emergency evaluation under Section 12 applies. 1]

  • Initiating an Emergency Evaluation: While medical professionals or police typically execute a Section 12 directly, families can contact local emergency services or petition a district court for an emergency mental health order. 1, 2]
  • Temporary Evaluation: A Section 12 allows police or medical personnel to transport your spouse to a hospital emergency department or psychiatric facility against their will for a temporary evaluation, which generally lasts up to 3 days (72 hours). 1, 2]
  • Further Action: During those three days, the facility's psychiatrists evaluate your spouse to decide if they meet the threshold for a longer, formal court-ordered commitment or if they can be discharged or treated voluntarily. 1]
Involuntary treatment in Massachusetts

How Involuntary Treatment in Massachusetts Works

Are you wondering what involuntary treatment in Massachusetts looks like? Learn what is is and how the state handles it.

https://newwaverecoverycenter.com/blog/involuntary-treatment-in-massachusetts/

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BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:16

MissMoneyFairy · Yesterday 20:14

Nowhere have I read that a spouse or parent can have someone sectioned, they can request an assessment or contact the emergency services

Oh according to Miss Moneypenny @KellyK2026 you can..

But then again she is heavily invested in jumping to outlandish conclusions in her desire to give neverending support to the child killer.

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:14

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:12

Eh? You’re saying a woman who told her family that she had thoughts of killing herself and harming her children isn’t a risk? Give over.

You need to have a plan - they ask you this specifically - when she said she had thoughts of harm - she was always asked if she had a plan. She denied having a plan and so no further action is taken.

This was discussed multiple times in the testimony.

You don't seem to appreciate the distinction here but you are off spouting any line you can in her attempt to defend a child killer.

It is abhorrent.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:14

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:08

this is the Massachusetts law. If a person is at risk to themselves or someone else they qualify for an emergency evaluation where they will be held.

Section 12: Emergency Mental Health Commitment
If your spouse is experiencing a psychiatric crisis, severe depression, or psychosis where they cannot protect themselves or are a danger to others, an emergency evaluation under Section 12 applies. 1]

  • Initiating an Emergency Evaluation: While medical professionals or police typically execute a Section 12 directly, families can contact local emergency services or petition a district court for an emergency mental health order. 1, 2]
  • Temporary Evaluation: A Section 12 allows police or medical personnel to transport your spouse to a hospital emergency department or psychiatric facility against their will for a temporary evaluation, which generally lasts up to 3 days (72 hours). 1, 2]
  • Further Action: During those three days, the facility's psychiatrists evaluate your spouse to decide if they meet the threshold for a longer, formal court-ordered commitment or if they can be discharged or treated voluntarily. 1]
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She was assessed? What did the psychiatrist say about it, it sounds like JT said she was ok.

MissMoneyFairy · Yesterday 20:14

Nowhere have I read that a spouse or parent can have someone sectioned, they can request an assessment or contact the emergency services

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:12

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:11

But she is not at risk if she denied to her psychiatrist the day before she killed her children that she had any plans to harm them.

In fact she denied ever having any plans to harm them or herself. So what are they going to hold her on?

Eh? You’re saying a woman who told her family that she had thoughts of killing herself and harming her children isn’t a risk? Give over.

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BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:11

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:10

lol, and you’re not making any sense.

OK, lol.

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:11

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:08

this is the Massachusetts law. If a person is at risk to themselves or someone else they qualify for an emergency evaluation where they will be held.

Section 12: Emergency Mental Health Commitment
If your spouse is experiencing a psychiatric crisis, severe depression, or psychosis where they cannot protect themselves or are a danger to others, an emergency evaluation under Section 12 applies. 1]

  • Initiating an Emergency Evaluation: While medical professionals or police typically execute a Section 12 directly, families can contact local emergency services or petition a district court for an emergency mental health order. 1, 2]
  • Temporary Evaluation: A Section 12 allows police or medical personnel to transport your spouse to a hospital emergency department or psychiatric facility against their will for a temporary evaluation, which generally lasts up to 3 days (72 hours). 1, 2]
  • Further Action: During those three days, the facility's psychiatrists evaluate your spouse to decide if they meet the threshold for a longer, formal court-ordered commitment or if they can be discharged or treated voluntarily. 1]
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But she is not at risk if she denied to her psychiatrist the day before she killed her children that she had any plans to harm them.

In fact she denied ever having any plans to harm them or herself. So what are they going to hold her on?

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:10

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:09

They can initiate the legal process but the patient cannot be sectioned unless it is signed off by psychiatrists... duh

I know you are heavily invested in defending this woman who slaughtered her children to death in a brutal and violent fashion. But you really need to stop now with your mental gymnastics to try and defend her. It is becoming obscene.

lol, and you’re not making any sense.

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BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:09

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:05

Yes, they can get a person sectioned and of course they then are formally evaluated (duh?). But if there’s an immediate risk they hold a person immediately and will perform extensive assessments.

They can initiate the legal process but the patient cannot be sectioned unless it is signed off by psychiatrists... duh

I know you are heavily invested in defending this woman who slaughtered her children to death in a brutal and violent fashion. But you really need to stop now with your mental gymnastics to try and defend her. It is becoming obscene.

KellyK2026 · Yesterday 20:08

BingoJingo · Yesterday 20:06

And considering she discharged herself from Maclean hospital earlier in the month of the killings, do you really think that they would have been able to hold her involuntarily?

Honestly wake up - stop climbing over yourself to defend a child killer.

this is the Massachusetts law. If a person is at risk to themselves or someone else they qualify for an emergency evaluation where they will be held.

Section 12: Emergency Mental Health Commitment
If your spouse is experiencing a psychiatric crisis, severe depression, or psychosis where they cannot protect themselves or are a danger to others, an emergency evaluation under Section 12 applies. 1]

  • Initiating an Emergency Evaluation: While medical professionals or police typically execute a Section 12 directly, families can contact local emergency services or petition a district court for an emergency mental health order. 1, 2]
  • Temporary Evaluation: A Section 12 allows police or medical personnel to transport your spouse to a hospital emergency department or psychiatric facility against their will for a temporary evaluation, which generally lasts up to 3 days (72 hours). 1, 2]
  • Further Action: During those three days, the facility's psychiatrists evaluate your spouse to decide if they meet the threshold for a longer, formal court-ordered commitment or if they can be discharged or treated voluntarily. 1]

Involuntary Commitment to a Mental Health Institution

Explore the intersection of mental health and family law, focusing on guardianship and involuntary commitment in Massachusetts cases.

https://turcolegal.com/blog/discharge-involuntary-commitment-institution/

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