Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

you do realise don't you that unfortunately some HCPs may be covering their tracks and also that when someone has severe mental ill health, coordination of their care in a fragmented health care system is extremely difficult. I certainly would not want to read a wiki page on this case, they are not reliable at all.

Again, please anyone who sees this thread, please read and share this
https://www.app-network.org/postpartum-psychosis-in-the-media/responsible-reporting-on-suicide-infanticide-and-intrusive-thoughts-linked-to-postpartum-psychosis/

Given multiple psychiatrists treated and assessed her and she was declared by all of them as not suffering from postpartum psychosis, but postpartum mood disorder, you might want to at least read a wiki page on the case.

The very day before she strangled her children with an exercise band she told her psychiatrist she was not having suicidal or homicidal thoughts.

If the defence thought they had a chance with what you’re saying on the thread they would have gone with it.

They have video evidence and phone evidence that backs his whereabouts up, and also her online searches in the hours, days, and weeks before.

You can’t say this with absolute certainty - any more than anyone else can.

There are many people like me who came to the case and absolutely believe what you are saying. However, there is no doubt in my mind that LC was not suffering with Phychosis. Just saying you believe LC is guilty does not mean you don’t recognise women with PPP.

yep - a LOT of what he said is the basis of the evidence.

I am getting so angry from people speculating on this who have no clue about severe mental illness. Post partum psychosis is a real condition, it is arguably the most distressing condition a woman could ever suffer from due to the disruption it causes to the mother child bond, and of course if it leads to her hurting the child. I have not read the details about the care or lack of this woman had in America because I am mostly boycotting the disgustingly poor reporting but I can tell you from working with it here that it is tremendously difficult to know what is in a baby's best interests when mother suffers this. A tiny amount of cases lead to murder, just like a tiny amount of cases of people with schizophrenia lead to violent attack. Judging who might be a danger and when is still impossible to predict with accuracy. If you separate a mother and her children there can be lasting damage from that too and you wouldn't want to do that if it was not necessary. The reporting and discussion of this case has been so irresponsible. Radio phone ins and threads like this with people speculating is unbelievable to me - why would you ask a person with no education or experience in this condition if they think she was psychotic at the time??? It is rage bait and click bait. It also fuels post partum OCD for many women, another condition very vulnerable to hormonal change. There are women with post partum OCD who see these stories and it becomes an OCD obsession and they won't touch their babies for fear of harming them when there is absolutely no risk that they will - also incredibly distressing and damaging to the bond.

Please, everyone who sees threads like this or newspaper articles etc, share this

www.app-network.org/postpartum-psychosis-in-the-media/responsible-reporting-on-suicide-infanticide-and-intrusive-thoughts-linked-to-postpartum-psychosis/

So if over time you ring your gp and see different doctors for thé same issue is that doctor hopping or is that the system?

She was effectively doctor shopping, and not taking medications prescribed. Then when other medications were prescribed, not taking them either.

I have listed some of the many doctors and nurse practitioners and therapists she saw, they can't all have been useless.

And failed quite spectacularly it seems.

Isn't this what he tells us? We are taking his word for it? There are far far too many inconsistencies in his story.

Even if she had a mental illness it doesn't excuse what she did. Peter Sutcliffe apparently was diagnosed with schizophrenia. Does that mean his crimes should be wiped out. No. Should he have treatment yes. I don't think Lindsay Clancy should go free. Ever. Three small children dead.

but surely she should be given the correct help, and therefore have the correct verdict.

Exactly. Her life is effectively over either way. There's no possible circumstance in which she can have any sort of meaningful life. And convicting her isn't going to bring the children back, nor is it going to (I believe) give any of their relatives any sort of peace.

Having been on a jury before, I understand why the jury was not able to convict. The threshold of reasonable doubt is a high one and even though we knew the defendant had clearly done something illegal, we weren't sure beyond reasonable doubt that they were guilty of the offences they were charged with.

Precisely she is both a victim and a criminal. I think people have a hard time trying to place that sometimes that you can have an offender who is both. The important thing as you say is keeping society safe from these type of people.

Doesn’t really matter… she’s a danger to society and so can’t be ‘let out’ under any circumstance either way. Jail or a hospital for a long time - free to live her life, never under any circumstance.

Multiple practitioners saw her. She saw her original psychiatrist, Jennifer Tufts from September through to the day before she murdered her three children. On December 20, she joined a day program for postpartum depression at Women & Infants Hospital of Rhode Island. The hospital discharged her after one day. She saw another psychiatrist at McLean Hospital, where she asked to be discharged a day early to attend a birthday party for her daughter. She also saw two psychiatric nurse practitioners at her hospital's perinatal clinic, and a therapist.

Maybe they all should have had xray specs to read her mind, as she denied having suicidal or homicidal thoughts the day before she killed her children.

She did not take her prescribed medication as directed (apart from the antianxiety pills/benzos).

I have read through the thread and I'm still confused. There is a huge amount of information. I can see books and movies being made about it.

Is there an answer as to why PC claimed LC told him the kids were in the basement when it was later found that her cartoid (sp?) artery was crushed and she was physically unable to speak?

We hear that she has confessed to killing the children but has she ever given any details about it? Does she remember the actual time frame?

On the contrary - It is this level of simplistic thinking not uncommon in society that means that we are all doomed.

This is a complicated case. People are complicated. Surely you can see that.

Exactly this!!

Precisely. The one person who was meant to protect them did the opposite. How do people not think of the dc?

I find the support for this woman bewildering.

When we support people who kill children, society is fucking doomed.

Actually you are right in the sense that there were other psychiatrists who were fact witnesses who had treated her in hospital aside from Jennifer Tufts who is the one who was treating her. But you are wrong to say that 'neither prosecution psychiatrist had a specialism'. This implies that there were only two psychiatrists for the prosecution.