Lindsay Clancy case: was it evil, or severe mental illness?

So why post as you did? It’s your wording posters are responding to.

you've no idea what you'd ask. If you've been resuscitated and had blood transfusions, and had just had a psychotic episode, I'm sure you wouldn't exactly be thinking logically or rationally.

For the posters who are just here to bicker - I’m not interested, sorry.

Have you watched the testimonies of the psychiatrists that treated her? They openly claim they’ve never treated anyone with postpartum psychosis nor knew much about it - this is huge as it shows the jury that they perhaps weren’t even qualified to treat her or ask relevant questions to determine how unwell she was. They openly admit that they didn’t think about how giving her meds for postpartum depression might have negative influence on her bipolar disorder as they didn’t have experience treating someone with those two disorders. Nor did they run all
the relevant checks (such as looking at thyroid function which can apparently influence someone’s likelihood of developing psychosis). They say they didn’t look at her medical records and took LC’s word for how much medication she was on (why on earth you’d take the word of someone who has just checked themselves into a mental facility without consulting her medical records, I do not know). It’s alright saying ‘well 11 doctors said this’ when, actually, the testimonies show just how disjointed the care was. So far they’ve not had one psychiatrist take the stand who sounds competent. It’s a losing game if you’re trying to prove that LC didn’t have psychosis when even the doctors treating her didnt know what
postpartum psychosis looks like.

See if I woke up in a hospital bed handcuffed, I would ask what on earth I had done, not whether I had a lawyer.

Have you watched the testimonies of the psychiatrists that treated her? They openly claim they’ve never treated anyone with postpartum psychosis nor knew much about it - this is huge as it shows the jury that they perhaps weren’t even qualified to treat her or ask relevant questions to determine how unwell she was. They openly admit that they didn’t think about how giving her meds for postpartum depression might have negative influence on her bipolar disorder as they didn’t have experience treating someone with those two disorders. Nor did they run all
the relevant checks (such as looking at thyroid function which can apparently influence someone’s likelihood of developing psychosis). They say they didn’t look at her medical records and took LC’s word for how much medication she was on (why on earth you’d take the word of someone who has just checked themselves into a mental facility without consulting her medical records, I do not know). It’s alright saying ‘well 11 doctors said this’ when, actually, the testimonies show just how disjointed the care was. So far they’ve not had one psychiatrist take the stand who sounds competent. It’s a losing game if you’re trying to prove that LC didn’t have psychosis when even the doctors treating her didnt know what
postpartum psychosis looks like.

Cos she was handcuffed to the bed.

Mental illness and criminal court cases should not be an issue of “support”. This is not a football match or a reality TV show.

That’s not an insult, it’s a comment on exactly the same media phenomenon that we saw with the Lucy Letby case, Where people prioritise the need to kick a woman’s head in over rational evaluation of the evidence,

You’re not making much sense here. I get you want to put LC at the centre of who you support. Not everyone will feel similarly.

I’m sorry if you can’t work it out, but I’m not interested in sealioning.

I’m sorry if you can’t work it out, but I’m not interested in sealioning.

I don't think being mentally ill excuses her to be honest. Many women suffer post partum depression. Some women suffer post partum psychosis. Very very few of them MURDER their children.

She knew she was unwell. She had thought previously that she was capable of hurting them. She could have walked away and didn't

No-one on this thread seems to have thought through how prison for someone who was paralysed is actually going to work.

No, I’m not sure what you mean? Are you talking about class? wealth? education level? political views?

If you’re going to talk about people in a way which indicates you see some people as inferior to others, I think it reasonable to ask for an explanation of who you believe these inferior people are.

Thus you choose blame Clancy as it fulfils an emotional need for a witch hunt.

You are using a few ad hominem insults in your responses to people you disagree with. If you are so confident you are correct, perhaps you could stick to the subject at hand.

I’m sure you can work that out.

Why would she ask for a lawyer if she didn’t remember what happened?

This is what I find so interesting. So many people will automatically assume a benign explanation for every incident which could otherwise suggest guilt even when the benign explanation is unlikely or in this case nonsensical. Why does this case cause people to take those approach?

I’d say there is support for both sides, however the lower you go down the food chain, the lower quality the news coverage, the less intelligent thé commentators, the greater witch hunt. Those are the ones who tend to shout the loudest in any case. SM is very much dominated by kill the witch and the quality of the commentary is risible. Notwithstanding the women who have attempted to share their own experiences of postpartum illness.

I haven’t made any kind of diagnosis as I am not medical and neither are you. All you’ve done is parrot thé prosecution line without understanding it. You don’t even seem to be aware that the fact that she was seen by 11 different people some of whom were not consultant level, all prescribing different things with no integration, was precisely a failure of psychiatric care.

Thus you choose blame Clancy as it fulfils an emotional need for a witch hunt.

The point about side effects of medication that you have failed to grasp is that they can be so intense that people can’t cope with them. It’s all very well to say you need to give some time to work but if someone is in mental health crisis and the meds make them worse, the upshot could be their death and in this case tragically the death of their children.

That is why integrated psychiatric care, correct diagnosis, and the avoidance of patients with being pushed from pillar post - randomly prescribed medication some of which was in the same class thus unlikely to work if the previous ones in that class failed by people some of whom are not qualified psychiatrists - is so important.