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Charles Spencer's book Diana Swan Song etc etc . Thread the second.

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BasiliskStare · 25/09/2026 14:14

There has been interest from some who engaged with the topic , so I'm starting a new thread as we are on page 10 . I honestly didn't think it would engender so much interest.

Let me be absolutely clear here. Threads meander , and sometimes go off topic and sometimes amusingly and interestingly so. My intention with this thread is to discuss the book , related matters eg contemporaneous accounts, reviews , interviews etc I'm also , frankly, interested to see how Piers Morgan's reaction to it goes.

As has been so often said anyone is allowed to post whatever they like on a public forum. I'm just explaining why I have started this thread. I have no intention of policing it .

Let's see how it goes 😎

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bluegreygreen · Yesterday 00:22

There are many stories of siblings remembering the same childhood differently, so I think if he's acknowledging that they do remember is differently that is fair enough.
Thanks for clarifying, @BasiliskStare.

I suppose, though, it does again emphasise that this is not really a story of Diana, but a story of the Spencers (or even Charles Spencer himself) and how Diana related to them.

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 00:15

LadyWiddiothethird · Yesterday 00:11

It’s not he was an alcoholic,he is still one.Once an alcoholic always an alcoholic.I am one,I have been sober over 23 years.Think the Spencer one has only lasted about 18 months……to date,he still drinks non alcoholic wine according to his wife,so his chances of staying sober are about nil.

This would suggest he has been drinking for multiple years,I don’t believe a single word that leaves his mouth.

❤️ you are brave and I can’t say how much I admire you for speaking your truth.❤️

LadyWiddiothethird · Yesterday 00:11

It’s not he was an alcoholic,he is still one.Once an alcoholic always an alcoholic.I am one,I have been sober over 23 years.Think the Spencer one has only lasted about 18 months……to date,he still drinks non alcoholic wine according to his wife,so his chances of staying sober are about nil.

This would suggest he has been drinking for multiple years,I don’t believe a single word that leaves his mouth.

FunPartyIdeas · Yesterday 00:05

I've read it and one of the things I didn't like about it was the fact he "challenged" what Diana had said about their childhood. She had basically described it as pretty miserable, but he said it hadn't been. For him, maybe that's his honest opinion, but why is he attempting to contradict his sister's own lived experience?

jeffgoldblum · 25/09/2026 23:58

I don’t wish to be unkind but the truth of the matter is…..he was an alcoholic….he was pissed ….his recollection is somewhat hazy ……..

LambriniBobInIsleworthISeesYa · 25/09/2026 23:54

I finished it yesterday and quite enjoyed it, but it’s patchy and the titles of the chapters didn’t work IMO. I also didn’t believe the story about Nelson Mandela visiting Diana’s grave and having to have a bridge put up for him as he was too old to go in a rowboat (or something similar). Seems like a weird thing to make up, but equally didn’t ring true.

BasiliskStare · 25/09/2026 23:44

Bit late to the party here , have had family round. But to @bluegreygreen 's question

"The people who have read the book also said that Charles S contradicted Diana's previous description of their childhood as having difficult or unhappy times (please can someone clarify this part?) "

My recollection of the book is that CS does not remember "sobbing" at night. He does reference D saying this in the Morton book , but doesn't remember it. Now I would personally not call this an "inaccuracy" in that he was so very young as was D & it's not how he remembers it and accepts the differences in memories. . He does remember Park House as a happy family home. I think D remembered material wealth ( my paraphrase ) but not emotional . CS does say they did get the Hamleys brochures . He describes a very indulgent birthday party for D where their father hired a camel and two zoo keepers. He does say he thought ( in context) their upbringing was not outrageously ( my word ) extravagant . Yes they had staff. Yes the house was large and lovely grounds. However , I do recall he said his father ( Johnny Spencer ) whilst not being the Earl , had to live off the income of a farm he had , and CS remembers him checking through invoices etc. CS remembers his early life as much happier than his sister remembers. On balance , because they were so young , and because he points out the difference between the sobbing in his memory compared to Diana's - I'd give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. If he's describing his memories , and he has acknowledged how they differ - that's fair play ( to me)

Some of the other quite easily checkable facts - not so much 😊

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AuroraCake · 25/09/2026 23:31

Cathandkin · 25/09/2026 23:15

Yeah, but Persil white?

Obviously Americanised ones. Veneers they can do what they like. With crowns
Its all very matching the natural colour.

Cathandkin · 25/09/2026 23:15

AuroraCake · 25/09/2026 23:09

Veneers. People too old for the sudden British rush to make all teeth perfect in teenage years,.and have money, all get veneers.

Yeah, but Persil white?

AuroraCake · 25/09/2026 23:09

Cathandkin · 25/09/2026 23:07

What's going on, dental wise? Spencer had blindingly white teeth and now Burrell. It's most distracting.

Veneers. People too old for the sudden British rush to make all teeth perfect in teenage years,.and have money, all get veneers.

Cathandkin · 25/09/2026 23:07

smilesy · 25/09/2026 23:04

It is, but this is a “special”. I just saw the beginning and he was talking to Paul Burrell with the weird teeth

What's going on, dental wise? Spencer had blindingly white teeth and now Burrell. It's most distracting.

smilesy · 25/09/2026 23:04

bluegreygreen · 25/09/2026 22:44

I think Channel 5 has had a Piers Morgan:Uncensored slot on Friday evening for a while, so it's not just because of the current issue.

If I remember correctly it's a roundup of the weekly news on his YouTube channel / streaming services.

It is, but this is a “special”. I just saw the beginning and he was talking to Paul Burrell with the weird teeth

bluegreygreen · 25/09/2026 22:49

You could be right.

Cathandkin · 25/09/2026 22:48

bluegreygreen · 25/09/2026 22:46

The inaccuracies are bad, but have been made worse by his publicity interviews where he repeatedly spoke about his 'duty to tell the truth'.

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I think something has gone wrong, I know he's a troubled individual, and maybe he's not thought it all through.

bluegreygreen · 25/09/2026 22:46

Craftysue · 25/09/2026 22:20

I've read a few of his history books - they've been well researched and historically accurate and I've enjoyed reading them. I'm really surprised that a book about his own sister wasn't thoroughly fact checked especially as he describes himself as a historian.

The inaccuracies are bad, but have been made worse by his publicity interviews where he repeatedly spoke about his 'duty to tell the truth'.

bluegreygreen · 25/09/2026 22:44

smilesy · 25/09/2026 22:19

I’m not watching it but Channel 5 is running a “Piers vs Earl Spencer, an Uncensored Special” currently!

I think Channel 5 has had a Piers Morgan:Uncensored slot on Friday evening for a while, so it's not just because of the current issue.

If I remember correctly it's a roundup of the weekly news on his YouTube channel / streaming services.

Curlygirl06 · 25/09/2026 22:44

smilesy · 25/09/2026 22:19

I’m not watching it but Channel 5 is running a “Piers vs Earl Spencer, an Uncensored Special” currently!

I'm watching it in the background, hmm.

Cathandkin · 25/09/2026 22:43

JustAnotherWhinger · 25/09/2026 22:14

For many of the errors all he needed do was have the manners to let his sisters read it before it went to print.

He could still have made his “not writing by committee” comment, but they would likely have been able to correct a few factual errors for him.

Yes, that was an odd, and quite rude comment.

Cathandkin · 25/09/2026 22:43

Craftysue · 25/09/2026 22:20

I've read a few of his history books - they've been well researched and historically accurate and I've enjoyed reading them. I'm really surprised that a book about his own sister wasn't thoroughly fact checked especially as he describes himself as a historian.

I have enjoyed his history books too, but have felt they've lacked rigour in parts, and I have qyestioned his source use.
However, in this book he just seems to be telling his own version of a story. Too many factual inaccuracies..

Craftysue · 25/09/2026 22:20

I've read a few of his history books - they've been well researched and historically accurate and I've enjoyed reading them. I'm really surprised that a book about his own sister wasn't thoroughly fact checked especially as he describes himself as a historian.

smilesy · 25/09/2026 22:19

I’m not watching it but Channel 5 is running a “Piers vs Earl Spencer, an Uncensored Special” currently!

JustAnotherWhinger · 25/09/2026 22:14

For many of the errors all he needed do was have the manners to let his sisters read it before it went to print.

He could still have made his “not writing by committee” comment, but they would likely have been able to correct a few factual errors for him.

smilesy · 25/09/2026 22:13

TheSwanTheCatAndTheClownfish · 25/09/2026 21:54

I’ve edited plenty of academic tomes and my opinion on this is that, in publishing terms, it’s a corner-cutting mess.

In academia we have peer review, often ‘blind’ (ie you don’t know who is commenting on your work). Normally there’s an editor and two peer reviewers giving feedback.

For the kind of ‘pop history’ book that Spencer has produced, I wouldn’t expect peer reviewers to have been deployed but I would expect an expert ‘reader’ to have been hired. It’s not great money, but I did it myself in my own area of specialty as a post-doc and did it diligently.

Is this publisher cutting corners? If not, who was the reader? This book really needed a specialist in modern media - and not necessarily in history nor, dare I say it, archaeology.

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Well, at the very least, it needed someone who was alert to the fact that any mud slinging in the direction of one Piers Morgan had better stick 😆

TheSwanTheCatAndTheClownfish · 25/09/2026 21:54

I’ve edited plenty of academic tomes and my opinion on this is that, in publishing terms, it’s a corner-cutting mess.

In academia we have peer review, often ‘blind’ (ie you don’t know who is commenting on your work). Normally there’s an editor and two peer reviewers giving feedback.

For the kind of ‘pop history’ book that Spencer has produced, I wouldn’t expect peer reviewers to have been deployed but I would expect an expert ‘reader’ to have been hired. It’s not great money, but I did it myself in my own area of specialty as a post-doc and did it diligently.

Is this publisher cutting corners? If not, who was the reader? This book really needed a specialist in modern media - and not necessarily in history nor, dare I say it, archaeology.

JustAnotherWhinger · 25/09/2026 21:22

smilesy · 25/09/2026 21:18

Yes, but these are getting to be pretty high profile:- The Salt Path, Spare and now Swansong. It’s starting to look a bit obvious that they don’t care about the books they publish playing fast and loose with the truth. Just seems a bit odd 🤷‍♀️

I think if they think that kind of business will make them more money then they’ll not care.

If they end up with 10/12 high profile ones that make them a lot of money each then it might be more worth their while than 20/30 accurate but low selling books.