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To struggle with the “furry” bullying

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CucumberBagel · 29/04/2025 08:27

I could really use some wise words. My autistic 9-year-old daughter is friends with some (wonderful) children who are identify as therian. I’m of the opinion that it’s just a phase, special interest, and it’ll fall off. No harm. My daughter is just enjoying wearing a mask and tail and practising moving like an animal (quadrobics). She’s just a kid having fun. She’s home educated after years of struggling to attend school and we’re working to rebuild her confidence.

But my god, the snide looks and remarks from kids of all ages, even adults! Our neighbours teens were apparently filming them out of their bedroom window this morning. I’m fuming for my daughter, who is just a kid having a good time. It hurts her feelings. I’ve spoken to a few of the kids who are saying things and told them she’s just playing and to lay off, but I can’t follow her around like a body guard.

I’m also torn between the whole “ignore / rise above” thing I’m meant to be teaching her, and wanting to give a piece of my mind to every little jerk who thinks it’s ok to make fun of someone for being different.

Any wise words to help me put this in perspective?
(Any rude comments about Therians will be ignored. I think it’s a bit silly myself, but it’s no different to any other phase of self-expression for tweens and teens. Let people enjoy things if it’s not hurting anyone.)

OP posts:
Spendthrifting · 29/04/2025 09:35

CucumberBagel · 29/04/2025 09:24

Christ on a bike, for the millionth time she does not identify as a therian. Her friends do. That was the main point of my post.

I assumed her therian-identifying friends were also 9 that’s all.
You are ignoring the influence of the internet spectacularly in all your replies.
Imaginary play is great and normal for 9yos, but this is not what your daughter’s friends are doing.

Fireandflames · 29/04/2025 09:32

Ladamesansmerci · 29/04/2025 09:16

There's a huge difference between a child having a fursona and dressing up, and a grown adult man with a sexual fetish. And yes you're right, children will grow out of it. I had a phase where I pretended I was a wolf all the time 🙈

Also, some adult furries just like dressing up and being their character, similarly to cosplay. I think it's fine 🤷 I enjoy cosplay and DnD, so it's not very different to me. Whilst it personally gives me the ick a little, whatever 🤷

It's gross men who use it as a means to act out bestiality fetishes that are grim. And the link to paedos ofc.

Just keep VERY tight reigns on their internet use, or they will find some awful fetish content. Even things like deviant art and tumblr, which aren't known for porn, are full of porn.

Edited

Exactly, it's no different to cosplaying or dressing up but people seem to think negatively all the time.

There are bad people in every single interest, you just need to know what to keep an eye out for. Most of us are clued up.

To the op:

let her play, ignore the people in here who blame home ed etc x

crumblingschools · 29/04/2025 09:31

Children who pretend to be fairies probably don’t trawl the internet looking for other people (including adults) identifying as fairies.

Different for Furries and Therians. Also a high percentage of people (children and adults) who are Furries and Therians are autistic, so children can be more vulnerable being involved in these groups

notsureyetcertain · 29/04/2025 09:31

OnyourbarksGSG · 29/04/2025 09:21

This isn’t true. Historical larping often happens in public at fairs,fetes, country parks and nobody thinks they are sordid shagfests that lead children down the wrong path. Adult women dress up and go to bridging bottomless brunches etc. the reason furries are seen as a paraphilia is because the vast majority of people involved in it admit it’s a paraphilia.

I never said adults, I said children.

BruhWhy · 29/04/2025 09:31

homeedmam · 29/04/2025 09:17

I know a few similar aged girls who love dressing up as therians and making masks and tails and running round the park on all fours. Personally I find it sweet and harmless.

Unfortunately as you see on this thread, lots of adult women who spend too much time on the internet have sexualised it.

What's tragic about this is, I'm spending my time on the SAME internet as the children you're talking about.

If I can see all the fetishists and porn related to furries on otherwise innocuous forums and videos, so will they.

The naivete 🙄

Lovelysummerdays · 29/04/2025 09:30

I quite like the idea of being wrapped up in fur, armoured against the world and distancing myself from humanity.

There isn’t really getting away from the fetish aspect of it though. My concern would be partly the more judged she feels the more she will hide behind the mask. Also at some point when she is finding her tribe I’d worry about potential grooming online.

OutcomeAdmin · 29/04/2025 09:30

Fireandflames · 29/04/2025 08:58

You're all the problem tbh, believing what you read on the internet. You sexualise literally everything, it's gross.

Autistic people like to pretend to be animals, it's a very common thing. Me and my children are autistic and it's something we enjoy.

Can I ask how you pretend to be an animal in your day-to-day life? I’m just curious and definitely not here to mock or criticise. I can imagine kids doing it but not so much adults.

Kitte321 · 29/04/2025 09:29

diddl · 29/04/2025 09:24

Everything seems to have a name now!

Therian, quadrobics!!

Quadrobotics made me LOL! I’m trying (and probably failing) not be to a d**k but crikey…

Missanimosity · 29/04/2025 09:28

CucumberBagel · 29/04/2025 09:20

Thanks. Pretty typical Mumsnet pile on ignoring the original question and painting everyone as a deviant. Not sure why I expected better really.

Nobody painted your child as deviant, this is ridiculos. Nobody bullied you or your child, nobody said your child can't play. Almost everybody just told you to be careful with the wording you use and/or the friends your child makes, as your child is innocent and don't think she fully grasps the concept of identifying as and might be influenced into things she doesen"t fully understand. This is just safegurading, why are you so strung up and offended I don't know. Play with your child and let her express yourself, is called play pretend and dressing up to go into identifying as territory, she's way to young. We only talk about the terms because you brought it up in your original post.

alittleprivacy · 29/04/2025 09:26

CucumberBagel · 29/04/2025 08:59

I can see where a lot of the bullies are getting it from.

So many of you missing the point and not offering anything helpful. Kids identify as all sorts of things, from goth to trans. They’re searching for their place in a world - a world filled with shitty people who want to squash any sort of self-expression outside the norm. No wonder they’re looking for a place to belong. It’s all mostly a phase. If I’d used the word “cosplay”, perhaps the responses would be less judgemental.

A better question to ask would be, why are the bullies aware of the sexual aspects of furries and therians, when my 9 year old isn’t? What are YOUR kids looking at online to know this stuff? (Incidentally, there is porn for everything, everything is fetishised. That’s not a reason to start bullying children.)

I’ll try and get this moved to SEN, thanks to a pp for the suggestion.

Edited

Furry is a sexual fetish closely linked to pedophilia. I would not allow my child to have anything to do with it, any more than I'd allow him to act out a sub-dom dynamic. Your child is innocently playing along with it, but as an adult you should be more aware and putting the brakes on it. Channeling it in a way that is not linked to fetishes and abuse.

No-one should be filming your child playing in her garden. That's not on. But people who understand what furry is actually about will not be comfortable with it, even, or maybe especially, when the people acting it out are children. Other children and teenagers don't have the tools to know how to act well in a situation where a child is acting out a paraphilia in front of them, but they may instinctively feel extremely uncomfortable and respond by taking that discomfort out on the person they feel is responsible for it.

mrstrickland · 29/04/2025 09:26

Yotoyoto · 29/04/2025 09:25

I have to admit, my 4 yo went to a friends house who had a cat tail and she loved it. Obviously it was just playing dress up, she loves animals and it as harmless fun. They also wore princess dresses and crowns and fairy wings. Normal play.

She’s asked for a tail but having read the threads on here I’m weirded out about buying one and being judged!

ffs buy your young child the tail. What a nonsense.

diddl · 29/04/2025 09:26

She’s asked for a tail but having read the threads on here I’m weirded out about buying one and being judged!

We just used one of Dad's ties!

Yotoyoto · 29/04/2025 09:25

I have to admit, my 4 yo went to a friends house who had a cat tail and she loved it. Obviously it was just playing dress up, she loves animals and it as harmless fun. They also wore princess dresses and crowns and fairy wings. Normal play.

She’s asked for a tail but having read the threads on here I’m weirded out about buying one and being judged!

homeedmam · 29/04/2025 09:25

Mumsnetters hate trans people so much that your use of the word 'identify' is a red flag to them that this might be trans-adjacent.

ElsaMars · 29/04/2025 09:24

No 9 year old, Autistic or otherwise, is a 'furry'. I wrote a long post but that sums it up.

diddl · 29/04/2025 09:24

TeenLifeMum · 29/04/2025 09:18

Can we not just say kids are playing make believe anymore?

Everything seems to have a name now!

Therian, quadrobics!!

Loub1987 · 29/04/2025 09:24

Well my five year old currently identifies as a fairy (as do her friends), a couple of weeks ago she identified as a princess.

Its what they would have called playing pretend when I was younger….

CucumberBagel · 29/04/2025 09:24

Spendthrifting · 29/04/2025 09:23

For a 9yo to ‘identify’ as a therian they must be spending a huge amount of time on the internet- or be heavily influenced by people who spend most of their lives on-line. For this reason alone I would be very very cautious about encouraging this.

Christ on a bike, for the millionth time she does not identify as a therian. Her friends do. That was the main point of my post.

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Apreslapluielesoleil · 29/04/2025 09:24

One of the dgc did this a couple of years ago, maybe last year. Didn’t last long, it was like your dd, just playing around the garden.
I’d be more worried about the kids filming. I’d speak to their parents or even out it in writing stating filming of a minor is never going to look good and if they persist filming your child in her own garden you will have to take the matter further ( be vague as I’m not sure who would be able to do anything but just implying it might work) Any decent parent would stop their teen there and then.

CucumberBagel · 29/04/2025 09:23

mrstrickland · 29/04/2025 09:18

Wow, the Mumsnet pearl clutchers are out in force I see.
OP, Therian is a thing that some children in my area have been into for the last few years. When I first heard of it I asked my own kids is that not a sex thing?! But they explained what it was and how it is absolutely nothing sexually related. (amazing how kids can educate us parents isn't it....?). One of my daughters is now 13 and likes to wear a clip on tail to her jeans. She doesn't believe she is a horse, she is having FUN. So many younger children come up to her when she is out to ask if she is Therian. Isn't it so nice to be asked questions with curiosity and without judgement?!

OP, allow your daughter to have fun, she is not doing a damn thing wrong, and you and she shouldn't be made to feel that she is. And I would be having a few very harsh words with the neighbours parents about recording your daughter.

Honestly I do wonder why I check in on Mumsnet, it has to be the most toxic place on the Internet.

Thank you, appreciate a sane response ❤️

OP posts:
Spendthrifting · 29/04/2025 09:23

CucumberBagel · 29/04/2025 08:27

I could really use some wise words. My autistic 9-year-old daughter is friends with some (wonderful) children who are identify as therian. I’m of the opinion that it’s just a phase, special interest, and it’ll fall off. No harm. My daughter is just enjoying wearing a mask and tail and practising moving like an animal (quadrobics). She’s just a kid having fun. She’s home educated after years of struggling to attend school and we’re working to rebuild her confidence.

But my god, the snide looks and remarks from kids of all ages, even adults! Our neighbours teens were apparently filming them out of their bedroom window this morning. I’m fuming for my daughter, who is just a kid having a good time. It hurts her feelings. I’ve spoken to a few of the kids who are saying things and told them she’s just playing and to lay off, but I can’t follow her around like a body guard.

I’m also torn between the whole “ignore / rise above” thing I’m meant to be teaching her, and wanting to give a piece of my mind to every little jerk who thinks it’s ok to make fun of someone for being different.

Any wise words to help me put this in perspective?
(Any rude comments about Therians will be ignored. I think it’s a bit silly myself, but it’s no different to any other phase of self-expression for tweens and teens. Let people enjoy things if it’s not hurting anyone.)

For a 9yo to ‘identify’ as a therian they must be spending a huge amount of time on the internet- or be heavily influenced by people who spend most of their lives on-line. For this reason alone I would be very very cautious about encouraging this.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 29/04/2025 09:23

I think there’s an issue around the term ‘identify’ for things like this, it promotes this idea that children/ teens have to almost ‘come out’ and tell people that they are therian and that this is an innate part of them rather than a culture or trend they want to be part of.

Yes, there are plenty of other cultures teens can be drawn to and have been drawn to in the past, things like goth, emo, punk etc, but I don’t think anybody ever felt the need to sit down and tell their friends/ family that they ‘identify’ as a goth or punk, there was no suggestion that being goth is something innate and part of you. I think the worry comes from the idea that being ‘therian’ involves actually being part animal and the links between it and gender ideology, this belief that you can transition to living as an animal self and that it’s a part of somebody rather than a culture, like being punk/ emo. It’s worrying if children/ teens believe that something which could just be a phase is actually an intrinsic part of them if it means they are less likely to be able to move away from it in the future because there are other people in the community (often adults) affirming their ‘therian’ side and telling them it’s part of them and they can’t deny it etc. I don’t recall this happening in goth/ punk etc culture and I know lots of people who were goths/ emos etc in their teens but aren’t now they’re adults, I think the worry however is that the ‘therian’ phase might go the same way as the trans movement so that children/ teens are convinced they need to transition and live as their therian selves and anybody who suggests it could just be a phase are shut down. It’s obviously much harder to leave something if there is a cultish community of people telling you to stay, and even more worrying when a significant number of those people are part of the community as part of a sexual fetish.

Outrageistheopiateofthemasses · 29/04/2025 09:22

You sound very angry OP. People are making comments based on the information that you have provided. Homeschooling an autistic child who can't be in mainstream must be tough. I hope you have some support.

senua · 29/04/2025 09:22

Yes, I had hoped it was a kid thing but the amount of adults here who don’t realise that “identifies as” for the other kids also equals “a phase” is astonishing.
How do you know it's a phase?
I think that your safeguarding concerns are misguided: I'd be more worried about therians (?and their parents?) than the locals taking photos.

Our neighbours teens were apparently filming them out of their bedroom window this morning.
Them? Your daughter is a 'them'?

homeedmam · 29/04/2025 09:22

TinyTear · 29/04/2025 09:13

You haven't explained yet how on Earth a 9 year old who doesn't even go to school got access to somewhere and someone to learn about therians

From other kids?