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My ds is to be excluded as there is no help for him. Also they are now looking at special needs secondary school.

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HappyNewYearFeet06 · 06/03/2008 09:52

He was down for a mainstream secondary and it was named on his statement. From a meeting at school last night I found out that his helper that he has within the classroom has resigned and is leaving tomorrow and that when she has left there is no other help and so he will have to be excluded should anything go wrong and that will build up to a permanent exclusion. As for secondary in Sept, they are now saying he won't cope with mainstream and will need something else. The Ed Psych has named a school that has spaces but I have been told about this school and haven't heard good things. So where do I go from here????

Thanks. xx

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mumeeee · 12/03/2008 10:43

If he is statmented then the school has to provide support. His helper has resighned so the school should find him another helper.

Taliesintraction · 11/03/2008 12:21

What you have described here is depressingly common.

Some pointers;

"Because we don't have an LSA" is not a recognised reason to exclude a child.

Basically the school will be clueless as to how to deal with your child.

They cannot appear clueless, so they make her/his "behaviour" the problem rather than their inability to engage with him.

They focus on the negative behaviour and then give themselves permission to exclude.

If they can dump a load of guilt on you at the same time so much the better.

It can be helpfull to mention that you know the act says they must fund 20 (might be 25 - I forget) hours of education based activity for him/her every week. This would have to start the day after he was permanently excluded.

You mention this because, naturally, they will not provide it, but if you comissioned it and then tried to recover the costs from the LA they would have no defence at the county court since they have a statutory duty to deliver.

I have known this work exceedingly well for parents in the past. Mention that you would be suing the lead councilor for education at her/his home address if you really want to make them squirm....

I know it's not a nice thing to have to do but it can be a big help getting your yp's needs met.

HappyNewYearFeet06 · 11/03/2008 11:27

I have got a meeting with the SENCO at school this afternoon so will put it to her then.

Ed Psych can't phone until the end of the week, gggrrrr. We are going away on Friday.

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dustystar · 11/03/2008 10:27

Put a request in for an annual review to take place asap then.

HappyNewYearFeet06 · 11/03/2008 10:25

UPDATE!

I phone sos;sen this morning who stated that the primary school he is at would be breaching the disability discriminations act and also the terms of his statement should they not draft someone in quickly to cover the support worker who is leaving. Also, that they can't temporarily exclude him and build it up to a permanent exclusion becasue they think it will 'help'!

They are sending out a list of names and numbers of people to contact about the secondary school dilemma so I look forward to getting that so I can get more advice about that part of the dilemma too!

I have left a message with the Ed Psych to phone me back as she was meant to before now and hasn't and I phoned LEA about ds being down for mainstream secondary and changing to special needs secondary and they said his cuurent school needs to hold an annual review where this is put forward and then the LEA will look at it once the annualk review is put in place.

Gosh, what a headache!!

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Habitual · 10/03/2008 21:58

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HappyNewYearFeet06 · 10/03/2008 21:30

Oh ok, so an LEA funded school is ok to approach them for as it is them that need to refer? From what I understand!

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Candlewax · 10/03/2008 21:14

That is alright then! A lot of parents (me included) are looking at independent SEN schools which the LEA hate us for because it costs them extra money!

HappyNewYearFeet06 · 10/03/2008 20:07

candlewax. The school we have found is LEA funded and the LEA need to refer him there. So how do I approach the LEA about it if I can't trust them???

Where do I start?????! Help!!

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Candlewax · 10/03/2008 19:16

Just a little word of advice. Do NOT tell the LEA you are looking at an independent special needs school. This sort of school will cost them money and they will fight you every step of the way. Do ring SOSSEN. They are brilliant and helping me.

I am sorry to sound so negative but trust no one connected to the LEA or on their payroll.

SOSSEN will guide you very well.

From what you have actually written, your child's statement seems a bit woolly. You need a reassessment to take into account the fact that he will be transferring to a senior school. You can request this reassessment yourself. It carries more weight if a parent requests it because if the reassessment is refused, a parent can appeal. If a school request an assessment and they are refused, they are not allowed to appeal.

Anyway, I am wittering away here. Hope you did manage to ring either SOSSEN or IPSEA today.

HappyNewYearFeet06 · 10/03/2008 10:45

Thanks attila. Parent Partnership said 3 weeks to get back to me though and I keep thinking about how urgent it is that we get this sorted soon.

I will look up Ipsea and sos;sen too.

I phoned 2 schools today who are going to phone me back and the Ed Psych who was at the meeting last week was meant to be calling someone from our local council and getting back to me and hasn't so I gave her a call today and she is out until tomorrow. So haven't really been able to talk to anyone as yet.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/03/2008 07:50

Parent Partnership do work very closely with the LEA, I would also seek independent advice from IPSEA and SOS:SEN.

HappyNewYearFeet06 · 09/03/2008 10:44

Hi splodgesmum,

I called Parent Partnership the other day and they have the relevant details. They are gonig to call the school and ed psych to see what their views are and because they were at our meeting the other day too. However, the lady who I spoke to said it could take up to 3 weeks for them to get back to me. In that time I need to look at other schools as well as our local MS school too see what their views are on the situation. Thank you for your advice and letting me know fo all the different people who I can contact.

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splodgesmum · 09/03/2008 08:51

Hi HNY, I am so sorry to hear of your situation. I work in SEN for the local authority and the others posters are right about your child's right to receive the support that is on his statement. The school are in danger of contravening the Disability Discrimination Act by saying already that he'll be excluded when he hasn't done anything to warrant this and it is their responsibility to find someone to support him. They can't change his statement without going through a formal process either - we would not normally allow a secondary to refuse entry as the presumption should be that he will cope in a m/s school with support. If that is found not to be the case then they can call an early annual review in the Autumn term to assess whether a change of placement is required.

Your first port of call should definitely be your SEN dept at the council - you could also try Education Welfare (again at the council), the SEN Governor of your school and Parent Partnership who work for the council but are advocates for the parents.

Best wishes.

HappyNewYearFeet06 · 08/03/2008 10:56

He seems to be alot better in small groups etc.... and yes needs consistency.

The school we have found is at the moment a school to approx. 69 or so I have found out on the internet with approx working groups of 5 pupils. This is what I have read, I am awaiting a prospectus. I have looked at their Ofsted report too. It will be a life saver, not just for ds but all of us.

He will not cope in a MS school of 1000 pupils and class sizes of up to 30 with no additional support.

Will try and find yurt1.

x

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Peachy · 08/03/2008 10:54

(BTW I have 3 sons, 1 is NT, 1 is AS / HFA and in MS with lots of great input b ut problems in unstructured times, he ahs problems as well with severe dyslexia. DS3 is mroe severe and is in MS part time at the mo with FT 1-1 (he's FT from Easter with FT 1-1 as well), but being assessed to find out which SN school will suit him best longer term).

Peachy · 08/03/2008 10:49

Just an addition- I don't know about where you live (which could be next door for all I know!) but here there is a chronic shortage of LSA's. The reason locally is that the college where they have to attend to get their certs has changed from evening to day classes, which takes all the trainess- by far the majority of those looking for jobs- away from the system. They had 4 lined up for ds3, by the time his statement was confirmed there was only one left, and she only becuase she only wanted to work in the village- she'd had several offers.

So although needs are legally required, in a few cases atm its proving impossible.

Blandmum · 08/03/2008 10:39

Happy, I know someone who works in a residential and day special school. He says that for many of the families the residential aspect can be a life saver, and that the children are often happier too, because the have the consistancy etc and levels of care that they need.

He works with two boys with autism, he has a permanent helper.

When I work with children with ASD they are ofetn in a class of 24, and if I'm lucky they have a lsw, they don't always have that support. plus my mate is trained properly to help the children in the school reach their potential. Most of what I know about asd had come from reading MN.

Yurt1 would be a good person to talk bout this, he son has benn in MS and is now thriving in a special school

HappyNewYearFeet06 · 08/03/2008 10:24

Thansk BBBee. If I need help I will call on you. Everyone on here has been so helpful. I don't think he will cope in MS but don't want him to be sent to some dive of a school where they just give up on them.

We have come across a special needs residential school that sounds fab. It is a last resort but will be good for everyonr including home life. I am not trying to get rid of him, just trying to give him the best that we can offer him so he still does well. Will let everyone know how I get on with that school and also if I need any help with his school at the moment.

x

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BBBee · 08/03/2008 10:06

do you want him in MS?

If so this will have to be accomodated unless there is significant risk to him or other childre by him being there. they cannot exclude him - this will be breaking the disability discrimination act and they can be prosecuted.

I think you are on the way to resolve this but if you eed the act to quote am happy to oblige.

Reallytired · 06/03/2008 18:38

I would visit the Special school and see what its like rather than going on word of mouth.

You need to ask what qualifications the children do (if Any!) What the structure of the day is like? What range of special needs the other kids have and class size.

Advantage of special schools is that everyone knows everyone. If a child gets lost they will take them to where they are supposed to be. Your child would be nutured in a good special school and wrapped in cotton wool.

Disadvantages is that there is often a limited choice of GCSEs. Dependining on the school there may be a lack of good role models and academical expectations may be low.

I think you are wrong to reject any option out of hand. Go and see different schools and then make the decision. Incidently MLD schools are often over subscribed, I would be surprised if your son could get a place for year 7.

HappyNewYearFeet06 · 06/03/2008 18:27

Thanks very much for that info, they sound fab and I will get onto them tomorrow.

xx

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ancientmiddleagedmum · 06/03/2008 18:17

Sos Sen is a charity which you can ring with problems to do with schooling etc for a special education needs kid. They are very good and will help you fight your case, plus they can tell you all the legal ins and outs to do with statements. Any LEA would be a fool to take on Marion from SOS SEN, as she is a force to be reckoned with!

ancientmiddleagedmum · 06/03/2008 18:17

Sos Sen is a charity which you can ring with problems to do with schooling etc for a special education needs kid. They are very good and will help you fight your case, plus they can tell you all the legal ins and outs to do with statements. Any LEA would be a fool to take on Marion from SOS SEN, as she is a force to be reckoned with!

HappyNewYearFeet06 · 06/03/2008 17:59

what is sossen??

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