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AIBU to think teacher should have consulted about this?

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Rinoachicken · 16/09/2019 19:18

Don’t know the full story yet, will be speaking to school in the morning.

DS1 age 9 has just started year 5. He has ASD, always been well supported by the school. Last year discussed with the SENCO about some additional ‘social skills’ work for him as he really struggled last year with this aspect. He found the classroom too loud at times and this was managed by him wearing ear defenders at times or being allowed to work in the library.

He has come home today and told me all excitedly that he now sits at a table alone in the corner of the classroom and this is his permanent seat for the rest of the year. He loves it because he can concentrate better and doesn’t have to hear others chatting etc.

But I am concerned that this will only make it harder for him socially. It ‘others’ him and sets him apart from his classmates, who have up til now been mostly accepting of his quirks, just part of him. He will miss out on the class conversations of his friends (I know they aren’t there to chat but you know what I mean). He will also not be able to practice some of the coping skills the school we’re planning on helping him with this year, as he’ll be alone and not exposed to anything outside of his own personal bubble. His tolerance for others and ability to problem solve will not be able to be challenged and built upon. How is this helping him to grow and develop and be prepared for secondary school and beyond?

AIBU to think that such a major policy change for him should have been discussed with me BEFORE being put in place?

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sauvignonblancplz · 16/09/2019 20:37

Also- classrooms are so busy now , so much movement , active learning and group work your child will still be very much involved .

Hobsbawm · 16/09/2019 20:36

YANBU.
Some of the responses on here are worrying and depressing.

This isn't a minor thing. This isn't an example of yet another thing or the type of thing that might need doing for any or every child. It's a specific strategy to help a child with ALN. Support for a child with ALN will require communication with parents that wouldn't happen for other children - that's a key factor in additional and specific support. Parent-school communication is often vital to ensure the specific support strategies work effectively.

I would feel the same as you OP. Yes, this may be a great idea but it should have been discussed with you first, at least just to let you know it was happening. It's good it seems to be a successful change but what if it hadn't been and you were left dealing with the fallout at home? Or what if there had been a reason for you to need them to ask them to postpone it or tweak it? Perhaps your input might have made the change even more of a success. What if next time a change doesn't work well? Or the positive impact of this one doesn't last?

When reasonable adjustments are made for adults in the work place they are done as part of a dialogue. No one has the attitude of 'we can discuss every little thing with you as then we'd have to do the same with every employee'. It is recognised that would make no sense at all. Why is it different for children? The only difference should be, for young children, that the dialogue is with parents (and the child). And at primary level isn't communication between school and parents generally meant to be seen as very important, let alone for children with ASD or other ALN?

sauvignonblancplz · 16/09/2019 20:35

Hi OP it’s great you’ve taken the feedback on board , I just wanted to add that teachers esp SENCO know what they are doing and whilst your son is the first encounter with SN for you the school will have dealt with many & know good practice. It sounds like the school is really supportive , relax and trust them. Try not to worry too much.

Buscake · 16/09/2019 20:33

If your son has (or may have) SEN or a disability [he does, he has ASD]

And

May need special educational provision [he does, he is placed on a different table]

He meets the legal test for an EHC needs assessment. Two of my kids have ASD and I’d be livid if they were segregated without any discussion with me. It is discrimination if it is based on his disability. Ask for an EHC needs assessment so he can access his education fairly.

Vgbeat · 16/09/2019 20:32

At a school I helped at, there was a child on the spectrum who had his own table but it did not seperate him from his peers. All carpet time etc was done together and foundation subjects would still be grouped in only actually sat on their own for Maths and English on the whole where work was entirely solo and helped them to concentrate. Didn't miss out on conversation etc which technically shouldn't have taken place and helped his work greatly.

LolaSmiles · 16/09/2019 20:30

You don't seem like an all guns blazing parent OP.

Ultimately the older children get, the less contact over specific things will happen and changes to seating arrangements aren't something that's a discussion in most situations (e.g. i've only consulted a parent when a child has had a risk assessment around them and I wanted to try something different).

It's not about going in meekly at all though. Just ask for a chat with the teacher to see how he's getting on, how has the move worked and helped him in class, what's the impact been on his socialising and so on. As long as you're polite and reasonable, staff have no problem having a chat with parents.

Rinoachicken · 16/09/2019 20:26

And I’m not an ‘all guns blazing’ sort of parent. I’m way too lacking in confidence for that. If anything I tend to roll over and let things go when I should speak up!

So I’ll go in and meekly ask instead 😂

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Rinoachicken · 16/09/2019 20:23

Thanks all. Interesting to learn it’s a fairly standard approach (not come across it before so good to know). Happy to accept that IABU to be annoyed about not being consulted but ANBU to have some questions about it that I will approach school with.

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donquixotedelamancha · 16/09/2019 20:20

So now I have a whole load of questions and some concerns, all of which may be easily addressed when I go in and ask, but honestly I think it would have been better for them to have just told me properly in the first place

YABVU on this point. No teacher has time to consult a parent every time they move a child.

Nothing wrong with highlighting your desire for him to learn to socialise, even if that means pushing him out of his comfort zone- I think you've been very thoughtful and perceptive about how to do that. Just don't go in with unrealistic expectations.

BarbariansMum · 16/09/2019 20:20

You may find that now he's less stressed in class all the time, that he finds socialising at breaks and lunchtimes easier and more enjoyable. School can be very relentless with asd.

seaweedandmarchingbands · 16/09/2019 20:19

The teacher’s first responsibility is to make sure the classroom environment allows your son to learn. The teacher has done that.

LolaSmiles · 16/09/2019 20:15

They don't need to consult and I wouldn't expect them to.

He's got a workstation that suits him and he's happy and learning.

During other times he will be interacting with peers.

Also, once children have the ability to interact , sometimes they are quite happy to have their space. You'd be amazed how many children like your son come to secondary and find there's other kids like them, find their niche and make a small group of friends (and whilst they get on in a big classroom they're quite happy with their space)

You're not unreasonable to have a chat with the teacher though, ask for some updates etc.

NailsNeedDoing · 16/09/2019 20:15

But other children still have their own issues that are also unique to them and equally as important to their parents. You have every right to expect a conversation about this as you're concerned and you have questions, I'm not disputing that. I just think it's right that you should approach them rather than the other way round.

Rinoachicken · 16/09/2019 20:12

He doesn’t do any after school clubs, because I don't finish work til 5 and he has to go to a childminder. Only exception is his drumming lessons, which he’s passionate about. He’s not interested in any sports. There is a ‘local’ NAS run social club on a Thursday evening, but when I say ‘local’ I mean the next town over, and it’s too late for his younger brother (who would also have to be dragged along).

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seaweedandmarchingbands · 16/09/2019 20:08

Do have a chat with the teacher, but if he is happier, it’s the right call, isn’t it?

MyMushroomsInATimeSlip · 16/09/2019 20:05

Can he work on social skills outside of school as well? At a club or group perhaps?

Rinoachicken · 16/09/2019 20:01

@NailsNeedDoing

He is the only child in the class sat alone. All the other children in his class are in paired or group tables. So there would not have been ‘every other parent’ having questions.

Just me.

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Raphael34 · 16/09/2019 20:00

Your teachers come up with a sensible solution. Your son has come home and told you he loves it. I don’t get what the problem is. It’s less isolating than working in the library on his own?

NailsNeedDoing · 16/09/2019 19:59

It might have been better for you if they'd done it that way, but it wouldn't be better for them if they had to jump through hoops to contact every parent that might have questions. There's no reason why it shouldn't be you that's proactive here, it's you that wants to know. They already know your child is ok with it.

DramaFarmer · 16/09/2019 19:56

He will still socialise in all the non-desk based activities (many), break, assembly etc.
If he is less stressed by general classroom table sharing he might have more leeway for socialising at other times?

But I appreciate you know him best.

Maybe ask for a review or report on how it is going after a few weeks ?

Rinoachicken · 16/09/2019 19:56

@SisterSistine

That would be my preference, but it’s his permanent table according to him.

And that’s kind of my point, it may be a well thought out and reasoned plan, but I don’t know, because they haven’t told me. So now I have a whole load of questions and some concerns, all of which may be easily addressed when I go in and ask, but honestly I think it would have been better for them to have just told me properly in the first place, instead of leaving me to find out half the information from my son and making me jump through hoops to find out the answers!

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NailsNeedDoing · 16/09/2019 19:56

Yabu to expect the teacher to have discussed this with you beforehand making the decision. But if you want to ask if they are still planning the things you were expecting and ask how the desk situation is working in a couple of weeks, then do. The teacher will probably be happy to talk to you about it if you ask.

Jenniferturkington · 16/09/2019 19:52

IME (primary teacher) a workstation like you are describing would be used during sessions such as maths and English when independent work is being carried out. In situations where children are working in pairs or groups, the child is not at the workstation alone (either they move or someone goes to them).
I do think the teacher should’ve discussed it with you first but if your ds is happy then I don’t think you need to go in to see the teacher.

SisterSistine · 16/09/2019 19:48

Is he working at the work station all the time? My son has one, but he is also free to work at the regular tables - and is encouraged to do so for group work. But if he is a bit overwhelmed or it's individual work he can go to his workstation to do it. Best of both really.

indianbackground · 16/09/2019 19:45

Once you have found out what the plan is talk to the senco and teacher about when they expect your son to practice social skills and coping skills. Depending on your relationship with the school you may want to put things in writing after a discussion (not start confrontational though)