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AIBU to think teacher should have consulted about this?

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Rinoachicken · 16/09/2019 19:18

Don’t know the full story yet, will be speaking to school in the morning.

DS1 age 9 has just started year 5. He has ASD, always been well supported by the school. Last year discussed with the SENCO about some additional ‘social skills’ work for him as he really struggled last year with this aspect. He found the classroom too loud at times and this was managed by him wearing ear defenders at times or being allowed to work in the library.

He has come home today and told me all excitedly that he now sits at a table alone in the corner of the classroom and this is his permanent seat for the rest of the year. He loves it because he can concentrate better and doesn’t have to hear others chatting etc.

But I am concerned that this will only make it harder for him socially. It ‘others’ him and sets him apart from his classmates, who have up til now been mostly accepting of his quirks, just part of him. He will miss out on the class conversations of his friends (I know they aren’t there to chat but you know what I mean). He will also not be able to practice some of the coping skills the school we’re planning on helping him with this year, as he’ll be alone and not exposed to anything outside of his own personal bubble. His tolerance for others and ability to problem solve will not be able to be challenged and built upon. How is this helping him to grow and develop and be prepared for secondary school and beyond?

AIBU to think that such a major policy change for him should have been discussed with me BEFORE being put in place?

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Rinoachicken · 16/09/2019 22:15

I have tried to get him interested in cubs, but he doesn’t want to. He is now in a cub pack that’s run at his school in school time (Friday afternoons) but that doesn’t really help with the socialisation thing!

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Rinoachicken · 16/09/2019 22:13

He doesn’t have an EHCP, but when I spoke with the SENCO last year we talked about trying to get one in place before he goes to secondary

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ChocolateTea · 16/09/2019 22:13

As a teacher, you don't know her background. She may have extensive ASD training/awareness/experience. And in 8 days, she may well have chatted to your son a few times, or his previous teacher, and found a solution that works

Regarding outside activities, we have found beavers/cubs/scouts incredible for our ASD son. Honestly, he still prefers to work alone in the classroom, and his socialising is on his terms only, and not what I would class as socialising (but like a pp cahms told us if he is happy, then it's OK, and he's happy) but Scouting has really made a huge huge difference to him.

converseandjeans · 16/09/2019 22:12

I can't see the problem if he is happy? Surely it's better than wearing ear defenders or going to the library?
Perhaps try to instigate some things outside of school - could he join cubs or something like that?

danni0509 · 16/09/2019 22:10

Does your ds have an ehcp and if so is this included in it?

Happymum12345 · 16/09/2019 22:09

If your child is happy then I wouldn’t worry at all. Does he distract other children & effect their learning in any way? That could be another reason why the teacher moved him.
It’s the schools job to educate in a secure environment where each child is able to achieve. I would thank the teacher rather than question why you were not informed. Be grateful. If you’re worried about social interaction, sort that outside of school.

MyBlueMoonbeam · 16/09/2019 22:06

@SofiaAmes - had similar experiences myself 🤬

LolaSmiles · 16/09/2019 22:05

I'd still just arrange a chat with the teacher for the start of the year and agree to meet half termly to catch-up and that you'll both be in touch to share relevant information and updates.
She gains the benefit of your insight as his mum and you are open minded to hearing different approaches.

SofiaAmes · 16/09/2019 21:59

I made the mistake of assuming that my dc's teachers would be trained in special needs and/or differentiating in the classroom. What a gross mistake. Between the two of them they each had one teacher during their 6 years of elementary school who had a clue of what to do with a child with significant learning differences. I very much regret making the assumption that my dc's teachers were "highly qualified individuals" who were trained, competent and experienced in recognizing every child's needs, particularly in the case of outside the norm children.
My experience included a teacher who sent for 3 weeks straight (until I found out) my ds every day for break and lunch to the principal's office as a "punishment" for not focusing on his schoolwork. Obviously it was not effective, but ds loved it. He was bored in the classroom and the principal's office was the only place where he could read ahead in his books without being disturbed. I sent him for private testing after that where he was diagnosed as having a genius IQ and very very very low processing and active working memory. If the teacher had bothered to speak with me first, I could have given her several suggestions as to how to get him to not disturb the class and move ahead in his studies. His teacher the following year figured out what he needed and asked me if it would be ok and was extremely successful for him and with him in her classroom.

Rinoachicken · 16/09/2019 21:50

Nurture group is part of the plan, or was last year anyway. Hopefully will still be part of the plan for this year.

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MollyButton · 16/09/2019 21:49

Personally I would request a meeting with the class teacher and SENCO - and this would be one of the things I would want to discuss. And I wouldn't react until it had been discussed.

I also doubt that any seating arrangement is for "the rest of the year" unless the teacher is very rigid in their thinking. Most seating arrangements get modified over the year and with topics.

hazeyjane · 16/09/2019 21:49

...because the tone of some of the posts struck me as lacking awareness of this - do you feel that it undermines a teacher's professional role if they have to work with parents, in making certain decisions, in order to ensure that a child with SEN has their needs met?

Hobsbawm · 16/09/2019 21:49

In my experience, the really good (primary, in particular) teachers realise that one of the best way to get to know a child is by engaging with the parents. The really good teachers also realise how important this is for specific strategies and support put in place for pupils with ALN.

A brand new teacher in a school with a new ALNCo does not know OPs son at all. Yes, she will have some information on paper. She may well have done some reading on ASD to supplement that reading. She did not know this child.

Communicating with parents is a key parent of any primary teacher's job. Communicating with parents about individual children's needs and the best way to support them is utterly, utterly central to any ALNCos job. I sympathise with the workloads of teachers. I sympathise with trying to balance the needs of 30 individual children in a classroom. But that doesn't change the fact basic communication is required between teachers and parents. For a child with ASD who needs individualised support, that basic communication involves any changes to that support.

Rinoachicken · 16/09/2019 21:49

@seaweedandmarchingbands

My laughing face was because, in my opinion, there is no way at all that the new teacher can know my son in 8 days well enough to know how he would respond to this change.

And I’ve seen his SEN ‘support’ plan. It is not detailed or thorough. The school have supported him well for the most part over the years, through trial and error and getting to know him. But this is NOT reflected in his SEN guide, and if that’s what the new teacher had to go on to to understand how ASD affects him, then it’s not nearly enough. And 8 days would t cut it either when there are 35 other children in the class they also need to get to know.

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youarenotkiddingme · 16/09/2019 21:48

This was my ds in year 5 too.

It was like his dream come true! He always wanted his own desk away from others and was as proud as punch when he got it.

He attended a nurture group 2 afternoons a week.

Camps said to me not to judge ds social intersections by what I wanted for him or the norm - but whether he was happy with the situation and it's what he wanted.

So social skills groups and interaction should be on his terms. He preferred working alone and socialising at break times. That was enough for him.
He's now 15 and tolerates people for longer periods of time as it was done at his speed and on his terms.

lyralalala · 16/09/2019 21:47

Tbh I wouldn't be happy with the way that was handled. No discussion with your DS or you (and I bet none with the SENCO either) would have me worried that it was an isolation desk as opposed to a desk for his needs. And there is a massive difference between the two - the attitude of the teacher is absolutely key to it. Especially if it goes against a strategy you had previously discussed with the SENCO.

You should absolutely ask the questions you have and find out more. It could be that the teacher is spot on - teachers who understand children with extra needs are so worth their weight in gold. We had one for my DD who revolutionised her school experience in less than a fortnight because she just got her! Fingers crossed yours is the same

Good luck!

ScabbyHorse · 16/09/2019 21:42

If his classroom is anything like the classrooms I've worked in for the last ten years, he won't be far from the others' desks anyway and will be able to talk to them if that is what's going on at that moment. In year 5 they will mostly be working in silence anyway, especially for English and maths.

seaweedandmarchingbands · 16/09/2019 21:42

SisterSistine

The OP has been encouraged to have a chat to the teacher and can share any reservations she holds. Why not?

seaweedandmarchingbands · 16/09/2019 21:41

MyBlueMoonbeam

What was aggressive about it? I reminded some posters that the people teaching their children are highly qualified professionals, because the tone of some of the posts struck me as lacking awareness of this. To me, “aggressive” is calling people names, throwing insults, etc. Perhaps we just have differing definitions of the word.

SisterSistine · 16/09/2019 21:40

@seaweedandmarchingbands what if their sensible rationale is wrong though? I've had a SENCO explain a very sensible rationale to me before for a proposed change. I sensibly explained my reservations based on what I knew. She took my experience on board and modified her proposal based on my information.

This is all the OP is suggesting. Teamwork. Collaboration. Which is incredibly important when you have a child with SEN. Because none of us are experts actually.

MyBlueMoonbeam · 16/09/2019 21:38

Clearly

seaweedandmarchingbands · 16/09/2019 21:38

MyBlueMoonbeam

I don’t see it. Sorry.

MyBlueMoonbeam · 16/09/2019 21:37

Mmmmm 🤔 not regard them as some idiot who happens to be babysitting your child while you are at work.

That sounds a tad aggressive to me

MyBlueMoonbeam · 16/09/2019 21:36

@hazeyjane - exactly

seaweedandmarchingbands · 16/09/2019 21:35

No aggression here.