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Being tested for ASD - is it true that you have to wait till they're 9?

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Psipssina · 05/06/2015 14:16

Ds2 has some traits that I associate with the possibility of an ASD and I asked the SENCO recently if we could have him assessed, and if so how.

She said they don't generally do it until the child is 9. He is nearly 8.

She said the only way to do it sooner would be to take him to the GP and ask to be referred for assessment at the hospital.

I'm concerned that this might make him feel as though he has something wrong with him, though of course the school process might do that too.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the best thing to do? He has been a little 'different' since he was a baby and scored a few red flags on the M-CHAT, which our HV told me not to worry about.

He is very anxious, generally, has a stammer, is shy, and the way he moves is unusual. He has already had a bit of bullying at his primary.

I suppose I'm worried he may suffer more, socially and with his anxiety, if he isn't diagnosed before long, that's assuming these issues are caused by what I suspect and not something else.

He's not in a desperate situation - he is anxious though and also seems to be very bright (completing a times tables sheet well before the rest of the class, and 100% correct - not having really learned them yet AFAIK, he just figures them out). I don't know if it would change anything to have a DX in any case?

Thank you for any thoughts.

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Psipssina · 05/06/2015 18:13

X posts, that sounds great Accessorize, I am so glad your son was diagnosed and it has helped.

I spoke to ds a little while ago and explained it to him and he is quite interested in finding out what his brain is doing Smile so that's one problem out of the way.

I will look up KIDS now.

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Psipssina · 05/06/2015 18:11

Thank you very much indeed. Yes the secondary school thing is looking rather near now. MrsDeVere thank you, I will start writing a list now as I always forget things when I talk to anyone about it.

This is all so useful.

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accessorizequeen · 05/06/2015 18:10

Psipssina, your DS sounds so similar to my son! And I absolutely went through stages of thinking, I'm imagining things he's fine. I wish I had trusted my own instincts more. My ds is now 11, he was diagnosed with Aspergers exactly a year ago and it has been incredibly helpful for him and us to have that dx. It took 18 months for us from GP referral to dx. Can I strongly strongly recommend contacting KÍDS near you? They know exactly how the system works, all of the SENCOs, the obligations of the school and in combination with Mumsnet posters helped us navigate a very confusing process.

accessorizequeen · 05/06/2015 18:10

Psipssina, your DS sounds so similar to my son! And I absolutely went through stages of thinking, I'm imagining things he's fine. I wish I had trusted my own instincts more. My ds is now 11, he was diagnosed with Aspergers exactly a year ago and it has been incredibly helpful for him and us to have that dx. It took 18 months for us from GP referral to dx. Can I strongly strongly recommend contacting KÍDS near you? They know exactly how the system works, all of the SENCOs, the obligations of the school and in combination with Mumsnet posters helped us navigate a very confusing process.

Flowerfae · 05/06/2015 17:54

No thats not true, DS was diagnosed with ASD when he was 4.

He needs to be diagnosed ASAP in case he needs a statement which can take a while, but leaving it until 9 he'd only be about a year away from going up to high school, if things need putting in place for him they need to be put in place way before then. :)

MrsDeVere · 05/06/2015 17:52

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ItsNotAsPerfectAsItSeems · 05/06/2015 17:49

That's interesting, Polter. Is that across the board now? We were first referred to salt who was lovely but didn't really have a clue about asd and how the acquisition of language is a very different pathway for children on the spectrum.

Psipssina · 05/06/2015 17:46

Thanks, that's great. I suppose it must vary by area.

Ds has no trouble with writing and FMS but he does find it tricky to do stuff like riding a bike, etc.

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PolterGoose · 05/06/2015 17:38

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Psipssina · 05/06/2015 17:33

Oh wow, that's a great idea - I thought he had grown out of the stammer but it is back with a vengeance lately.

I think the Senco said something about cahms, I'm sure she did, if the GP isn't sure whom to refer to, what should I say?

Definitely SALT but who else? Or will the GP definitely know?

Btw school does not have concerns - well none they have communicated to me. But he's only been there a term.

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PolterGoose · 05/06/2015 17:31

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LineRunner · 05/06/2015 17:26

Itsnotasperfect This is my understanding, too. There are professionals who can make assessments of traits; and then there are the professionals who can make a formal diagnosis.

And sometimes school staff and others are less than forthcoming about the difference.

Psipssina · 05/06/2015 17:25

Oh God I don't like the idea of him dissolving Sad

Sometimes I look at him and think he's just a normal kid, I'm being silly, then I look at those websites that say 'signs your child has an ASD' and he ticks almost every single box.

I don't understand why the HV didn't think it worth worrying about when he failed to point at all, at anything, until he was about 2 or 3, spoke very little (though he could), often went quiet and stared at the wall, refusing to speak to anyone, I can't remember all the other stuff he did.

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insanityscatching · 05/06/2015 17:24

Ds and dd were both with diagnoses before they were three. They'd also both been assessed by an ed psych too by then.
If you want an assessment for ASD ask your GP for a referral. To get an ed psych assessment is not always easy as schools tend to have either a set number of visits or hours and tend to use these on the most difficult children. However it would be easier to push for one if your ds had already been referred for a health assessment.
Diagnosis doesn't change your child but it does signpost the resources and support he might need in order to achieve his potential. Good luck.

ItsNotAsPerfectAsItSeems · 05/06/2015 17:22

Sorry, started typing that a while ago. Xposts with everyone else.

ItsNotAsPerfectAsItSeems · 05/06/2015 17:20

An Ed Psych cannot diagnose asd either. Only a paed or a clinical psych can diagnose asd. The senco or Ed psych can agree there are traits but it still needs to go down the medical route for diagnosis.

It is often really useful for children who fall in that grey area or are relatively high functioning to get a diagnosis in place before secondary school. Often children cops reasonable well at primary then dissolve at secondary. If your DS is already showing signs of anxiety then I'd speak to your GP and ask for a referral. Good luck

123Jump · 05/06/2015 17:16

My DS was diagnosed aged 4. He was originally referred to an eating clinic as his diet is so poor. The Consultant there told me he had Autism and started the diagnosis process.
A different Consultant, who runs a large Food Refusal Clinic recently told me that most children with Aspergers are diagnosed/start diagnosis when they attend clinics re:food issues. So I presume theses children would often be younger than 9.

Psipssina · 05/06/2015 17:14

Thanks all for the information. Really helpful.

I am seeing the HV about ds3 (2y review) in a few weeks - do you think she would be able to refer my (by then) 8yo? Or should we go to the GP? I'm a bit worried the GP will dismiss my concerns.

The thing is, Ds copes well in school, has no disruptive or emotional behaviours, he's quiet and he has friends but I worry about him later on in life. He doesn't really like to deviate from his routines, he is obsessive about certain subjects and often talks for ages and ages without allowing anyone else to get a word in. He also has some tics and as I said, the stammer.

I think a Dx would help him long term, just for his own reference.

I didn't know I could get a private assessment, that is worth looking into I think.

Thanks again.

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LineRunner · 05/06/2015 17:09

Absolutely, PolterGoose.

I'd also like to add that we learned more in a month from reading MN than OH had ever been told by all the professionals in his child's life. I don't post much on some boards but read them avidly!

Fairylea · 05/06/2015 17:08

My ds is undergoing assessment for autism. He is 3 next week. I went to the gp and got a referral to the community paediatrician. I'd go to your gp.

DixieNormas · 05/06/2015 17:07

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orangepudding · 05/06/2015 17:07

As there are concerns it's worth asking the GP for a referal. It will probably take over a year to get a diagnosis if he does indeed have ASD. The waiting list in my county is so long that I took DS for a private assesment, worth every penny for us!

TaurielTest · 05/06/2015 17:05

I believe (at least in my local health authority) the diagnostic process is different for under 8s and over 8s. Our route was HV referral to community pediatrician who arranged a multidisciplinary assessment, with paediatrician and SaLT, and input from the school SENCO since DS was then in reception. GPs should be able to refer in the same way as our HV did. It's my understanding that referrals via CAHMS are harder to come by and take longer, but that may be specific to where you are. The NAS helplines may have some advice for you, I've found them good.

I completely agree with PolterGoose, if there's a diagnosis to be made and you and your son want to proceed with an assessment, getting it completed before the transition to secondary school would be the best thing.

MrsDeVere · 05/06/2015 17:05

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youarekiddingme · 05/06/2015 17:02

It can be diagnosed at any age. My DS was 8 when referred to Camhs and 10 when diagnosed.
We'd discussed how many asd traits he had throughout his schooling before this.

It's diagnosed through Camhs or developmental paediatrician. Different PCTs have different pathways but the assessments are generally standard - eg there are various different assessments and they'll do the appropriate ones for their service/ the child.