Its the same every night with Ds 4.5 , he just can't sleep not won't . I have tried removing everything bar his bed from his room , I kept it up for a month but it made no difference [sad] I have tried tiring him out , it just doesn't work , he goes to nursery 4 days a week & runs round like a headless chicken for the other 3 days [hmm] He just doesn't ever seem tired . He has a set routine so he knows when its bed time etc , when he goes to bed he just lies their talking to himself or staring at the walls for hours [hmm] I put him to bed at 7 & he falls asleep around 12 & then wakes around 4 & that's him for the day then . I can't take it anymore & nor can Ds Their must be something I can do [sad]