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aspergers - too clever for a statement? please give me some advice, I don't know what to do about ds school (this is long, but please bear with me, I really need some help)

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deaconblue · 11/02/2012 07:30

Ds is 5. He had 15 hrs of funded support at pre school, largely because he hit other children a lot. At 4 we got a diagnosis of aspergers. In reception the school put in place 15 hours of TA support. He had a mature, experienced teacher who set really firm boundaries and he made massive progress, making proper friends and only having melt downs occasionally. The TA was used to keep an eye on ds rather than for one to one close support. This gave him some independence. At the end of reception he got a really good report.

He moved into yr 1 and in October last year I was told he had made such great progress he no longer needed TA hours or even an IEP. I was over the moon.
I've since discovered that the TA hours were removed due to a reduction in budget not ds' progress and his behaviour has been getting steadily worse in school. He is in a class of 26 children of 2 yr groups and the teacher is often left with no TA support at all, despite there being 5 other children with some level of SEN in her class. In the last 3 weeks ds has started hitting children again, has drawn on the furniture, thrown toys, refused to do his work and spent a lot of time in the head's office.

I had a long meeting yesterday with the head and ds' teacher (who is also the SENCO) and am really unhappy with how it went. The head began quite defensively, telling me that only children with a statement received any SEN funding. I replied that this was not true, every school gets an SEN budget to share among children on the register. Statemented children get EXTRA funding. Well, yes,she said, that is true. She said it was evident that as soon as ds arrived at the school that he had 'severe problems'. I then asked why I had been told he no longer needed an IEP, why they had never logged any behavioural incidents and why they hadn't sought the help of an Ed psych. I asked if a fundamental error had been made last year. "no I wouldn't say that' was her reply.

The upshot seems to be they won't (they say can't) give ds back the hours he had. The head said we need to get him a statement in order for support to be funded. I pointed out that even if he got a statement it was unlikely to be for more than the 14 hours necessary to get an extra funding. The senco then said that ds would need to be two levels behind his peers to get a statement anyway. He is 2 levels above in reading and maths and average in writing. They say they can't put any extra support in now because they need evidence of the poor behaviour for the statement application.

So we are trapped. They won't support him without a statement, therefore his behaviour will get worse. He won't get a statement because he is too clever and even if he did it probably wouldn't bring any more money into the school anyway. They have said they will try to get an Ed psych appointment but that could take months. I ended up tearful and despondent. We have agreed to meet in two weeks to discuss his behaviour again but I can't see the point.
Please can anyone give me some advice on where to go from here? For what it's worth his behaviour at home has continued to improve. We see a bright, funny little boy who would be coping with just a little extra help.
thanks

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deaconblue · 11/02/2012 15:56

thanks again everyone, really helpful

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/02/2012 13:23

Hi shopping,

re your comment:-
"The upshot seems to be they won't (they say can't) give ds back the hours he had. The head said we need to get him a statement in order for support to be funded. I pointed out that even if he got a statement it was unlikely to be for more than the 14 hours necessary to get an extra funding. The senco then said that ds would need to be two levels behind his peers to get a statement anyway".

SENCO is talking out of her behind; you were told an out and out lie here re this last sentence. Such blanket policy is not allowed in law and is unlawful. It is also nothing to do with how clever he is; that is not how it works at all.

You can approach the LEA yourself and I would advise you to act on this asap.
Apply for the statement yourself and ignore the naysayers; you are truly your child's best and only advocate here. If you apply you know its been done then (some schools can sit on apps for ages) and importantly you can appeal in the event the LEA say no; the school CANNOT do this.

IPSEA's website is good at the whole statementing process www.ipsea.org.uk
Use the letters on their website.

Statements are granted ideally only on basis of need; it is clear to me that your DS needs a statement. It will give him the legal protection he badly needs with regards to his educational rights. No other plan offered will give you and him that.

You do not have long before your son goes into Juniors and Juniors can be a tough old game for those with additional needs whose needs do not get met. You need to act now; this is also because no-one else will.

Dustinthewind · 11/02/2012 10:27

Mine is now 17 and able to live and function in the world with some reasonable accommodations. Most of which he now recognises and implements for himself, or is capable of explaining to others.
That's because his secondary and his 6th form worked in active partnership with me. They were and are amazing, and without that interactive relationship DS would be a very different proposition for the world to have to deal with.

deaconblue · 11/02/2012 10:23

dustinthewind, I totally agree. I keep telling school that it is our joint responsibility to show ds how to fit in with society as much as he is capable of. We are really quite strict with him at home because we don't want his aspergers to rule all our lives. Obviously some things are too distressing for him, I wouldn't dream of taking him to a really crowded, noisy place, he would be desperately unhappy but to as great an extent as possible we encourage/insist on 'normality'

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deaconblue · 11/02/2012 10:20

we could definitely pay for a private ed psych report. Not sure how to go about it though. How can I find a decent ed psych who does private work? Ds' reception teacher got me to sign a permission slip for an ed psych visit then told me that the ed psych had told her ds wasn't bad enough to need a visit. Am now wondering if the school chose not to spend their hours on a visit for ds instead.

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Dustinthewind · 11/02/2012 10:19

You could tell them my personal mantra, a diagnosis is an explanation not an excuse.
It sounds as if they have very low expectations of him and are not setting any boundaries or small challenges within hos capacity to achieve. Which is not good news.

Coconutty · 11/02/2012 10:12

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deaconblue · 11/02/2012 10:00

btw thanks for all replies. it is so helpful :)

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deaconblue · 11/02/2012 09:59

I think he's been allowed to rule the roost this year. I was called into to school in January because he was 'reading all day instead of doing his work'. I said they should make him do his work, we make him do stuff he doesn't want to all the time at home. Teacher looked surprised as if this was a revolutionary idea. If there is no one clearly in charge ds will put himself in charge. He was refusing to eat in the dinner hall so they just let him eat in the corridor. I kicked up a fuss, said it wasn't helping his social problems to eat alone and insisted they make him eat with the other children. He had a moan on day 1 and has been sitting nicely with the other children since.

I will get the ball rolling with applying for a statement.

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Dustinthewind · 11/02/2012 09:55

Statements are based on level of need, nothing to do with academic ability. He may be clever, but if his other needs are severe enough then he is entitled to proper support and a statement.
You need to keep your own log of every incident if the school are not and push for proper support against the opposition you are facing. You need to accumulate evidence and get your bolshie flame-proof knickers ready.
It may be a long haul, but worth it.

cyb · 11/02/2012 09:51

But you should also go as far as you can down the statement route as its not the school who decides

cyb · 11/02/2012 09:50

shopping I thought it was to do with academic levels and how far behind they were as to statement provision

Children with SEN in our school who dont qualify for a statement as they are not far enough behind sometimes get a package of hours to be used as support. This comes for our SN budget as far as I'm aware.

It sounds like at the very least your school needs a clear concise behavioural management plan for your son that everyone adheres to, as as you say yourself, he wasn't necessarily being supported before just supervised and managed.

Schools can usually rob Peter to pay for Paul in cases where children are being hurt

slartybartfast · 11/02/2012 09:47

and the school should still go ahead with organising the ed psych.even if it takes months.

deaconblue · 11/02/2012 09:45

so can I approach the LEA or do I have to persuade the school to get on with it?

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RnB · 11/02/2012 08:32

Ask the LEA to assess for a statement. It has nothing to do with how clever your son is - the senco us talking out if her arse.

A statement is a legal contract which will ensure your son has the support he needs and avoids all of the crap you are going through now.

Honestly get a statement. My ASD son has been statemented since he was 2.