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Is it acceptable to imply another poster is a pervert because they disagree with you about a topic?

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TheHateUGive · 11/06/2026 13:10

So in a feminism thread, the members leep insinuating that I am a man with some sort of pee fetish because basically I disagree with them that women have to strip half naked or routinely wear several more layers than men. I've reported these posts as personal attacks but they dont seem to get deleted.

Can I clarify that it is ok to insinuate that someone is a different sex and a pervert because they disagreed with me? I'm asking before I head to other threads.

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AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 15:54

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 11/06/2026 15:50

. Depending on the time of year, up to 50% to 70% of women wear tights or hosiery, especially in cooler regions.

Really? Source?
I will say I have noticed some Gen Z women wearing tights like they are leggings as an outer layer - there was that whole tights as trousers /pants trend in 2023
https://fashionmagazine.com/style/trends/tights-as-pants/

ParmaVioletTea · 11/06/2026 15:53

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AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 15:50

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 11/06/2026 15:44

I do remove clothing
I don’t take it off but I do remove it

If I don’t remove my knickers I can’t wee
If I don’t remove my trousers from my backside I can’t wee
Men don’t need to remove their pants though

We are not talking about completely stripping off here

Well that’s the crux of the matter isn’t it.

You think remove doesn’t mean, well, remove.
to take something or someone away from somewhere, or off something. The men came to remove the rubbish from the backyard.

All we do is adjust our clothing by pushing down trousers & knickers or lifting a skirt/dress and pushing down knickers, we aren’t removing any of our clothing. I do remove my coat and hang it with my purse if there is a hook on the back of the door.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 11/06/2026 15:50

AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 15:46

I have never worn tights/panty hose, a slip or shapewear, most women don’t these days. My grandmother did.

It feels like you’re adding in extra layers that are not worn by the majority.
They do have shapewear for men as well as women, so that’s a wash.

. Depending on the time of year, up to 50% to 70% of women wear tights or hosiery, especially in cooler regions.

AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 15:46

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I have never worn tights/panty hose, a slip or shapewear, most women don’t these days. My grandmother did.

It feels like you’re adding in extra layers that are not worn by the majority.
They do have shapewear for men as well as women, so that’s a wash.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 11/06/2026 15:44

AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 15:38

If that’s the worst you have on the OP, then it’s a bit hypocritical to call that nasty given the other stuff said to her.

Besides, anyone who thinks we actually remove layers of clothing would fall under the definition of not knowing how we pee. Saying women don’t take much longer than men is hardly being ignorant of how we pee.

There is no need for this kind of toxicity.

I do remove clothing
I don’t take it off but I do remove it

If I don’t remove my knickers I can’t wee
If I don’t remove my trousers from my backside I can’t wee
Men don’t need to remove their pants though

We are not talking about completely stripping off here

ItsWrittenInTheOP · 11/06/2026 15:42

AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 14:17

I am sitting here in a dress and also wondering what the extra layers would be? I am physically wearing fewer layers than a man in boxers and shorts.

In all truth OP, name calling is frequent on MN and it is often done by posters who are too proud to admit they are wrong so they resort to personal attacks.

Reporting helps but often it’s best to just disengage and come back in a day or so when heads are cooler. Anyone seeing the exchange can see who is being rude and who is not.

Too, some posters confuse questioning a rationale with being diametrically opposed. It’s annoying when you do agree with the general issues raised but not the stated reasons why - like you can be for women to have single sex spaces for toileting but not agree it’s due to extra layers of clothing- but they’re hurling accusations at you.

I find it helps to state the parts of a post that you do agree with before questioning details you don’t think are correct.

Off the top of my head.

Tights. Shorts. Body suits that fasten at the crotch . Shapewear. Petticoats/slips, disposable incontinence pants.

All pretty common things for many women to wear under their clothing for various reasons. I didn’t see the original thread op is talking about and I wouldn’t jus in my opinion straight to calling someone a pervert, but I would find it unusual that an adult woman genially can’t think to what extra layers are commonly worn by women.

I’d be more likely to assume they were very young and maybe a bit sheltered if they really are unaware of other possible layers women may wear.  But in the context of a discussion on the feminism board and about women’s rights etc, I can kind of understand why someone hasn’t been given the benefit of the doubt.
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Thanks for heads up.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 11/06/2026 15:39

UncannyFanny · 11/06/2026 15:35

Do they? Most women wear just underwear and a skirt or trousers. Most men wear just underwear and trousers. Even I can’t see what all these additional mysterious layers are other than an occasional pair of tights. What else is there?

The comment was referring to going to the toilet
see other posts

ps. Maybe on the other thread though

SockPlant · 11/06/2026 15:39

TheHateUGive · 11/06/2026 13:18

Yes I did report them. One has now been deleted since I made THIS post.

So then...they didn't break the rules 🙄

AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 15:38

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If that’s the worst you have on the OP, then it’s a bit hypocritical to call that nasty given the other stuff said to her.

Besides, anyone who thinks we actually remove layers of clothing would fall under the definition of not knowing how we pee. Saying women don’t take much longer than men is hardly being ignorant of how we pee.

There is no need for this kind of toxicity.

SpudGunToo · 11/06/2026 15:36

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UncannyFanny · 11/06/2026 15:35

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 11/06/2026 14:24

Although OP is referring to more layers to remove when needing a pee
Which of course women do

with the exception of those men who prefer to sit of course

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Do they? Most women wear just underwear and a skirt or trousers. Most men wear just underwear and trousers. Even I can’t see what all these additional mysterious layers are other than an occasional pair of tights. What else is there?

AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 15:33

SpudGunToo · 11/06/2026 15:21

There are male posters who have made clear that they dress as women and use women’s toilets, it seems a reasonable word to use in that case.

I haven’t run across any of these yet. In that rare case I would agree.

However, the name calling of pervert happens to posters who have not stated they were cross dressing men using women’s toilets. Posters who are women.

Given demographics, the assumption should be the poster that is disagreeing is a woman (95% of mumsnet users), not a cross dressing man that also uses women’s toilets (1% of the population, and probably 0.01% of MN users given its reputation as a bastion of common sense feminism).

Pickledonions12 · 11/06/2026 15:32

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MandyMotherOfBrian · 11/06/2026 15:26

TheHateUGive · 11/06/2026 13:19

They said i am a man and a pervert. Is that enough name calling?

They said i am a man and a pervert

After stating that 'Most women aren't in the toilets for a longer time than men', you were asked:
"I take it you aren't a woman then?"

After asking repeatedly what women were wearing/removing when in the toilet, you were asked:
"Are you hoping to get women to talk about what clothing they have to remove and how they go to the toilet?"

Those statements do not equal being called a man or a pervert.

You did, however, say this to FlirtsWithRhinos, which is a particularly nasty insinuation...

"I have no idea what you do that would take you much longer than a guy. It might indicate a doctor is needed though"

SpudGunToo · 11/06/2026 15:21

AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 15:10

But the point of the thread is name calling posters as perverts is not ok.
I completely agree with OP on that.

There are male posters who have made clear that they dress as women and use women’s toilets, it seems a reasonable word to use in that case.

Pickledonions12 · 11/06/2026 15:19

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LadyLooo · 11/06/2026 15:17

TheHateUGive · 11/06/2026 13:46

Honestly? It's triggering as a Black women because it is something that white people use against Black women often as part of their overall racism. I'm not saying they all know i am Black, but that is why it is genuinely upsetting.

@Anotherdayanotherexcuse And no I cant imagine the numerous extra layers that women wear that men do not.

You're choosing to use an anonymous internet forum where you know full well we cannot actually know the sex of its members.

If you find this triggering, you've picked a funny forum to join.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 11/06/2026 15:15

AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 15:01

I can’t believe you’re explaining it in such elaborate detail either, we all know what we are taking about.

The disagreement seems to be over the use of removing layers when what is meant is pulling down layers of clothing further.

🤣🤣
I felt the need to explain because tbh it’s not the first time I’ve had to

Im an architect and I am sick and tired of having to explain how women use a toilet to men around the boardroom to justify why
we need more cublucles
Why
no we can’t share whbs ( ever tried to explain mooncups to a bunch of 60yearnold males🤣)

why the toilet needs to be offset from the centre to allow room for a sanitary bin

Why, no, it’s not OK to sit half on a sanitary bin when needing a wee

Why our knickers don’t have openings at the front ( yes really !)

Why we take so much longer in the loo so need about 3 times the provision of shake and go men

so
sorry about that

Upstartled · 11/06/2026 15:14

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Brunchatstephanies · 11/06/2026 15:13

I am very surprised that a woman wouldn’t know the extra layers women have to take off when peeing. I think I’d assume that a person was being at best obtuse and at worst a perverted male if they were looking for that clarity from women on the internet. I haven’t seen your thread @TheHateUGive so I hope you’ve had some time to reflect since.

tights/knickers without an opening like boxers have/sanitary towels/ jumpsuits

I mean it is fair to ask is there a woman alive who would not know this.

itsanamething · 11/06/2026 15:12

Tell me you've never worn a jumpsuit and regretted visiting a public toilet.

LizardyGuts · 11/06/2026 15:10

You don't know who is who on the internet. There are plenty of men masquerading as women to get their kicks. I am always suspicious of any poster asking how other posters do xyz, whenever that xyz relates to anywhere intimate on the body. This is all that's happening here OP.

To avoid accusations in future, you can instead write what you do, or what you think other women do, rather than ask people to reveal what they do. "I only have pants and trousers - I don't understand why other women would wear more layers?" is less creepy than "Tell me what you're wearing."

AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 15:10

But the point of the thread is name calling posters as perverts is not ok.
I completely agree with OP on that.

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